Dual source: Ex-Shell president sees $5 gas in 2012 - Polidicks

it takes 10 years to make these things happen and 10 years leaves alot of world changes out in the open that might effect said process of constructing and putting effort and resources into these things (not just enrichment and development but permits for construction as well) im not the sharpest dude out there but i understand the amount of changes the world can go through in that period of time, and i'd be all for nuclear energy if the global economy wasn't in shambles right now

[QUOTE=Moose;27163669]it takes 10 years to make these things happens and 10 years leaves alot of world changes out in the open that might effect said process of constructing and putting effort and resources into these things im not the sharpest dude out there but i understand the amount of changes the world can go through in that period of time, and i'd be all for nuclear energy if the global economy wasn't in shambles right now[/QUOTE] Spending the money to make these things happen is a lot more important than not spending money and dying out anyways.

im just saying, we should spend more time and money finding an alternative to oil than electricity at this point. that way if we do find an alternative, then we can prolong our existence and leave more room for developmental research to better utilize these things in the future

Its somewhat sensible that Europeans pay more for gas because Europe is a fuck of a lot smaller than the US, or Canada for that matter. If I want to commute to go see my immediate family half way up the province, I need to traverse a distance that would take me across all of Europe. I suppose for puttering around in cities those prices are fine, but our people (as in us and canada) need to travels quite a great distance, as does a lot of our food. In retrospect it seems asinine that all our cities were built so far from each other, but its a bit late for regrets now as so much has already been established. High gas prices for very large countries is really bad news. Either there needs to be a complete overhaul in living condition layout, or there needs to be massive advancements in energy & vehicle design. Advancements or not, the hike in gas prices and demand for oil is going to create a really rough patch in the world for the next 20-30 years. "switch to nuclear power lol" is not as simple as it looks on an online forum.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;27167429]Its somewhat sensible that Europeans pay more for gas because Europe is a fuck of a lot smaller than the US, or Canada for that matter. If I want to commute to go see my immediate family half way up the province, I need to traverse a distance that would take me across all of Europe. I suppose for puttering around in cities those prices are fine, but our people (as in us and canada) need to travels quite a great distance, as does a lot of our food. In retrospect it seems asinine that all our cities were built so far from each other, but its a bit late for regrets now as so much has already been established. High gas prices for very large countries is really bad news. Either there needs to be a complete overhaul in living condition layout, or there needs to be massive advancements in energy & vehicle design. Advancements or not, the hike in gas prices and demand for oil is going to create a really rough patch in the world for the next 20-30 years. "switch to nuclear power lol" is not as simple as it looks on an online forum.[/QUOTE] That doesn't make any sense. We should pay more for gas because we use less of it? What the fuck? It's irrelevant how far we have to travel in comparison to you, you're paying much less than us for the same thing.

If everyone was forced onto motorcycles and bicycles, PROBLEM SOLVED.

Tell that to the truckers and the industries that use them. I'd like to actually see someone move a truck load of furniture with a motorcycle.

[QUOTE=Glaber;27178347]Tell that to the truckers and the industries that use them. I'd like to actually see someone move a truck load of furniture with a motorcycle.[/QUOTE] we could just put the goods in your empty head

[QUOTE=Glaber;27178347]Tell that to the truckers and the industries that use them. I'd like to actually see someone move a truck load of furniture with a motorcycle.[/QUOTE] hey maybe we'd use trains more often

This is the best thing that could happen. We've already passed our peak oil consumption and its going to go down throughout the next years/decades. Obviously OPEC is going to raise the price of oil to keep their profits up, but this is going to be the growing pain of moving from fossil fuels to more efficient energy sources. Meanwhile, the high gas prices are going to help decrease the demand for oil even more.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;27169724]That doesn't make any sense. We should pay more for gas because we use less of it? What the fuck? It's irrelevant how far we have to travel in comparison to you, you're paying much less than us for the same thing.[/QUOTE] There's much less demand and need for gas usage in European countries compaired to American countries, so naturally a lot of European legislation is in favor of higher taxation of oil. This also promotes lower pollution levels, which is easy to maintain with smaller countries. Everyone generally lives closer in Europe compaired to American countries. Not to mention alternate travel options, such as trains and metro buses are used much more heavily and effectively than in America. In the US for example, travel is a huge part of the economy and the way of life. It's very common for people to have 30-40 minute daily commutes to work or to see family. It also takes a LOT more fuel to transport goods cross country, with the armadas of Semi-trucks being used. Sure, Europe has this as well but it's not nearly as expansive or involved as it is in the US I imagine, since the US alone (not counting canada or mexico) has to cover 3,537,441 square miles of terrain to keep the economy working for a single country and population. Therefore, the US has a much higher need as a country to keep gas prices lower than smaller, more consolodated countries to keep things in check. If gas is $7/gal of a sudden in the US, then suddenly the price of everything will easily double as well to make up for it and a massive depression would occur. There isn't the infrastructure in place to support prices that high, and the same exact infrastructure that makes it work in Europe won't work over here, sans half the states seceding from the government, turning into independent smaller countries and becoming "Europe 2".

[QUOTE=KorJax;27209943]There's much less demand and need for gas usage in European countries compaired to American countries, so naturally a lot of European legislation is in favor of higher taxation of oil. This also promotes lower pollution levels, which is easy to maintain with smaller countries. Everyone generally lives closer in Europe compaired to American countries. Not to mention alternate travel options, such as trains and metro buses are used much more heavily and effectively than in America. In the US for example, travel is a huge part of the economy and the way of life. It's very common for people to have 30-40 minute daily commutes to work or to see family. It also takes a LOT more fuel to transport goods cross country, with the armadas of Semi-trucks being used. Sure, Europe has this as well but it's not nearly as expansive or involved as it is in the US I imagine, since the US alone (not counting canada or mexico) has to cover 3,537,441 square miles of terrain to keep the economy working for a single country and population. Therefore, the US has a much higher need as a country to keep gas prices lower than smaller, more consolodated countries to keep things in check. If gas is $7/gal of a sudden in the US, then suddenly the price of everything will easily double as well to make up for it and a massive depression would occur. There isn't the infrastructure in place to support prices that high, and the same exact infrastructure that makes it work in Europe won't work over here, sans half the states seceding from the government, turning into independent smaller countries and becoming "Europe 2".[/QUOTE] And canada is even bigger by land than the US I believe, so it's a lot of space really.

[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;27062767]We won't have nuclear energy until everyone who lived through the Red Scare is dead.[/QUOTE] The red scare has nothing to do with radiophobia. It's Greenpeace, and all these supposed "environmentalist groups" that keep one pushing every single NPP as the next Chernobyl. The true cause of radiophobia is the botched Castle Bravo test, and the media's milking of it; making everyone believe that the smallest amount of radiation can kill you.