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[QUOTE=Warhol;25857585]uhhh, no lol [editline]4th November 2010[/editline] i mean, wtf, income doesn't mean LOL CAPITALISM![/QUOTE] it's a social democratic country, denmark does not own the means of production
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;25864714]I'm so mad that Congress spends a lot of money on health and human services!! [editline]4th November 2010[/editline] It's funny, no one ever mentions that the USA spends more money on Human Services than ANY other country, and that it is even more expensive than our DoD budget, and not to mention how Social Security is also more expensive than DoD, ignore how the USA spends trillions on their people and only focus on the bad.[/QUOTE] It does have quite a lot of people in it. We should look at percentages instead.
[QUOTE=Warhol;25823737]Capitalism does not work. It's as simple as that, and the more leverage you try to give it, the worse it becomes[/QUOTE] Wow. So a system of trade that has been used since [u][b]THE VERY BEGINNING OF CIVILIZATION[/b][/u] does not work? [editline]7th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Warhol;25828340]Greece is down BECAUSE of deregulation of banks. The EU is in a recession and is picking up. You American capitalists seem to think the EU is on the brink of burning for minimal shit[/QUOTE] Oh doing that argument again I see. Ok.
[QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;25919196]Wow. So a system of trade that has been used since [u][b]THE VERY BEGINNING OF CIVILIZATION[/b][/u] does not work?[/QUOTE] It has not been used since the beginning of civilization, don't be silly.
[QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;25919196]Wow. So a system of trade that has been used since [u][b]THE VERY BEGINNING OF CIVILIZATION[/b][/u] does not work? [/QUOTE] how about outdated. also it wasnt used at the was not used at the beginning they did not use capitalism
[QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;25919196]Wow. So a system of trade that has been used since [u][b]THE VERY BEGINNING OF CIVILIZATION[/b][/u] does not work? [editline]7th November 2010[/editline] Oh doing that argument again I see. Ok.[/QUOTE] trade =/= capitalism
[QUOTE=Warhol;25925781]trade =/= capitalism[/QUOTE] Capitalism: A system of wage-labour and commodity production for sale, exchange, and profit, rather than for the immediate need of the producers. The first kingdoms and empires had organizations that acted a lot like corporations only somewhat more primitive, and no they weren't all family businesses and apprenticeships.
capitalism has been outdated since humans were able to supply more then what is demanded
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;25823092]Of course we're always going to have large corporations who won't discriminate like Wal Mart or McDonalds. I think the discrimination would be limited to "Mom & Pop shops" like Joe's Eat 'Em Up Joint.[/QUOTE] Holy shit best post of ITN 2010 right here. [editline]7th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=SergeantDead;25832667]i hate everyone who hates ron paul[/QUOTE] Have you read his book? He is half-insane.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;25926674]Holy shit best post of ITN 2010 right here. [/QUOTE] It should be his title
[QUOTE=MrBob1337;25819097]You are the reason I am stuck with this libertarian cockwad who'll either do nothing for two years or suggest some dumbass piece of Ayn Rand-inspired legislation that will tie up the legislature for weeks. Tons of people decided not to vote because "they arent sure and it doesnt make that big of a difference". Fuck you.[/QUOTE] A voter shouldn't have to choose between shitty and shittier. [editline]7th November 2010[/editline] Dammit, why am I always late to these things. :frown:
[QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;25926173]Capitalism: A system of wage-labour and commodity production for sale, exchange, and profit, rather than for the immediate need of the producers. The first kingdoms and empires had organizations that acted a lot like corporations only somewhat more primitive, and no they weren't all family businesses and apprenticeships.[/QUOTE] they also tortured and killed people and a majority of populations lived in mud and threw their shit out the window. Again, trade =/= capitalism.
[QUOTE=FoxwolfJackson;25822331]So, you're saying I have to sacrifice greater and greater parts of my paycheck to support these kids? The problem with government spending LEGAL citizens' paychecks is that eventually they'll run out of other peoples' money to spend. Baby boomers are retiring and our paychecks are being stretched already trying to keep them from breaking social security. Forgive the stereotype here, but it is very true. Many mexican families have many children. Law states a family gets $600 (I believe) PER CHILD. Where's that money going to come from? As I said in another thread, you need to approach this logically... not emotionally. That's the only solution to the matter.[/QUOTE] That's not very logical at all, in fact that's pretty stupid to be honest. Being an illegal immigrant in America isn't exactly a cakewalk, an illegal immigrant's family isn't being propped up exclusively by welfare. An illegal immigrant still has to make a living with a job and they still have to pay taxes for it. A lot of illegal immigrants are complying with the IRS too.
[QUOTE=Billiam;25927743] A lot of illegal immigrants are complying with the IRS too.[/QUOTE] Don't forget they're paying sales tax as well.
[QUOTE=MrBob1337;25819097]You are the reason I am stuck with this libertarian cockwad who'll either do nothing for two years or suggest some dumbass piece of Ayn Rand-inspired legislation that will tie up the legislature for weeks. Tons of people decided not to vote because "they arent sure and it doesnt make that big of a difference". Fuck you.[/QUOTE] so there is something wrong with me because i dont want to choose between 2 bad people who both want to run for press
Fuck your country, mang.
[QUOTE=Billiam;25927743]That's not very logical at all, in fact that's pretty stupid to be honest. Being an illegal immigrant in America isn't exactly a cakewalk, an illegal immigrant's family isn't being propped up exclusively by welfare. An illegal immigrant still has to make a living with a job and they still have to pay taxes for it. A lot of illegal immigrants are complying with the IRS too.[/QUOTE] Don't you have to be a citizen to be on welfare anyway?
[QUOTE=FoxwolfJackson;25822331]So, you're saying I have to sacrifice greater and greater parts of my paycheck to support these kids? The problem with government spending LEGAL citizens' paychecks is that eventually they'll run out of other peoples' money to spend. Baby boomers are retiring and our paychecks are being stretched already trying to keep them from breaking social security. Forgive the stereotype here, but it is very true. Many mexican families have many children. Law states a family gets $600 (I believe) PER CHILD. Where's that money going to come from? As I said in another thread, you need to approach this logically... not emotionally. That's the only solution to the matter.[/QUOTE] without illegals who else will do very hard jobs for 4$ an hour
[QUOTE=Warhol;25927150]they also tortured and killed people and a majority of populations lived in mud and threw their shit out the window. Again, trade =/= capitalism.[/QUOTE] Trade = capitalism The only distinction between trade and capitalism is when capitalism is controlled or regulated.
Trade is a thing you do. Capitalism is an economic system. You can have trade without capitalism.
[QUOTE=Habsburg;25929500]Trade is a thing you do. Capitalism is an economic system. You can have trade without capitalism.[/QUOTE] But trade without capitalism is trade altered or controlled, kinda like what I just said. Yet it can still be considered capitalism because the principles of the system have not been changed enough to warrant a change in name. So long as the basics of private and free trade are continued in an economic system it is capitalism. Capitalism most basically is the idea of trade with minimal to no control by superior force whether it be governmental or otherwise. [editline]8th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Warhol;25852047]Well you people assume corporations will shut down. when in reality, they don't so hurp[/QUOTE] What are you trying to say here? Why do you think corporations can avoid shutting down?
Capitalism is more like trade with the intention of profit behind it.
Capitalism -an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, esp. as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth
trading is an action Capitalism is a system come on, basic logic. it is a part of it, but saying it's that simple is dumb
[QUOTE=Warhol;25927150]they also tortured and killed people and a majority of populations lived in mud and threw their shit out the window. Again, trade =/= capitalism.[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about medieval Europe, I'm talking about fucking ancient civilizations, you know, the civilized ones that had a decent form of plumbing that wasn't disgusting ranging from primitive holes in the ground to running water and indoor stuff. Those civilizations had groups of people who wanted to make profits and hired people to do things for them for a regular wage. And if you think the majority of the population of the Roman Empire, Babylon, Persian Empire, Ancient Greece, Empire of Islam, etc lived in the mud and even threw their shit out the window then you need to learn history. Granted most of ancient Egypt and China was farmers but that's another thing entirely and they didn't throw their shit out on the street and none of those ancient civilizations are as barbaric as some people think, and they also had groups that acted like corporations.
Most of those ancient civilizations had slaves in one form or another.
and we don't have slavery because everyone is [b]payed[/b] to [B]work[/B].
[QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;25950040]and we don't have slavery because everyone is [b]payed[/b] to [B]work[/B].[/QUOTE] we have more slaves now then ever before and its because people want to maximize profits
Definition of Slave from Oxford Dictionary "a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them." You can quit your job, you'd just not get payed at all by that person and would have to find another job, something that is hard to do now though, but tough times don't make you a slave to your employer.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25950093]we have more slaves now then ever before and its because people want to maximize profits[/QUOTE] Haha oh wow.
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