Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional
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sometimes i hate my country
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sometimes i hate my country[/QUOTE]
Yea man America sure does suck for defending the values it was founded on, yup yup
Yeah, it is an infringement on someone's ability to protest.
Even if that someone is an attention-whoring piece of shit whose entire church congregation are blood relatives.
Oh well WBC's leader will die in a few years. Now that's gonna be a good protest.
they should form an anti WBC club and counter-protest the shit out of them at every funeral
have they?
[QUOTE=OrionChronicles;24122629]they should form an anti WBC club and counter-protest the shit out of them at every funeral
have they?[/QUOTE]
Patriot Guard Riders
[QUOTE=siberpredaht;24120568]how is it fucked up what they're doing[/QUOTE]
showing up and protesting anyone's funeral regardless of the reason is pretty fucked up.
Doesn't matter to me if the person being buried is a war hero or a criminal, a funeral is that person's family's last good bye, that if anything should be considered sacred, and I don't think that's an unreasonable opinion.
Americans have the right to protest. I see no problem with this, sure it's asinine but they have a right to do it.
I'm not saying they don't have the right to protest, but in my opinion they're not actually protesting anything, although they're apparently trying to protest the general acceptance of homosexuals, but that has nothing to do with the person being buried
I can't believe people don't see a problem with someone protesting at a person's funeral
Is it just because they're American soldiers or what?, because they've done this to British soldiers, the Olympics, San Diego comic con, and tons of other things that aren't related to their 'cause'
Another reason why I love my country.
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I can't believe people don't see a problem with someone protesting at a person's funeral
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You can't ban everything you have a problem with.
Good. There's nothing in the Constitution that says you can't speak your mind, regardless of the event.
Still, very rarely is protesting at a military funeral ethical.
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24123029]You can't ban everything you have a problem with.[/QUOTE]
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That's not at all what I said, I said I simply can't believe it.
[QUOTE=Cpl. Combine;24122957]I'm not saying they don't have the right to protest, but in my opinion they're not actually protesting anything, although they're apparently trying to protest the general acceptance of homosexuals, but that has nothing to do with the person being buried
I can't believe people don't see a problem with someone protesting at a person's funeral
Is it just because they're American soldiers or what?, because they've done this to British soldiers, the Olympics, San Diego comic con, and tons of other things that aren't related to their 'cause'[/QUOTE]
People do see the problem with it, but they also see it is entirely within their rights to bitch moan scream and shout about shit they don't like.
yeah, I understand that too, still it bothers me that someone can be that heartless, I don't know why I'm surprised by how insensitive people can be though..
but such is the wonderful world we live in.
How is it illegal to stop the church harassing mourners but it's legal to stop me harassing that blonde on my street?
[QUOTE=JDK721v2;24119033]I knew you guys would pull out another argument[/QUOTE]
Wow that's some argument. Saying something is unethical. Great argument right there.
Yes it's legal but ITS WRONG. Good for them I'm glad they can exercise their first amendment, BUT ITS WRONG.
[QUOTE=bravehat;24120539]What "values" exactly does America personify?[/QUOTE]
You completely missed my point, and probably are part of the problem I believe effects America. I never once said America itself personified specific values, just that the current generation seems to lack a set of values that seemed to be more apparent in earlier generations.
America does stand for certain values; Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. None of which these WBC people seem to stand for.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;24120495]You do realize that Fred Phelps Sr. is ~80 years old, right?[/QUOTE]
Yes I do, he's a backward shithead that really should have never left Kansas if you want my honest opinion. This guy has started a hate group and goes around the country to places he's not welcome and protests at events and funerals where it is just plain inappropriate and discourteous to everyone else there.
[QUOTE=siberpredaht;24120568]how is it fucked up what they're doing[/QUOTE]
Let me protest one of your families funerals and see how you feel, I'm sure you would be less than enthused that I and my cult of followers completely disrespected you, your family, and everything you and your family and friends believe in and stood for. Unless you're a spineless bitch who lets someone else decide for you how to think about everything.
You guys in the UK are lucky he and his daughter are banned from your country.
I'm not really sorry for anything I said here, as a serving US Marine I have many a problem with everything the Westboro Baptist Church does and would gladly take up an opportunity to settle this correctly and constitutionally. I'll defend the Constitution but I won't stand for anyone disrespecting the men and women who fight and die for this country, show some respect it's not that hard. The Patriot Guard Riders have the right idea, I just wish there were more people like them.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;24123209]Wow that's some argument. Saying something is unethical. Great argument right there.[/QUOTE]
it's a whole new topic, and yes it is an argument
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[QUOTE=Hallucinate;24123131]How is it illegal to stop the church harassing mourners but it's legal to stop me harassing that blonde on my street?[/QUOTE]
they aren't harassing anyone
I honestly don't understand the mockery in this thread. No protest should be banned.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
[QUOTE=Hallucinate;24123131]How is it illegal to stop the church harassing mourners but it's legal to stop me harassing that blonde on my street?[/QUOTE]
The church is protesting because of their beliefs, therefore freedom of speech.
You harassing a person is out of hate, therefore infringement of their rights.
Freedom of speech guarantees that the people can peacefully protest and express their opinions. Consider this: "I do not agree with what you say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire
[QUOTE=Kais;24123303]You guys in the UK are lucky he and his daughter are banned from your country. [/QUOTE]
banning them from the country isn't a good thing
[QUOTE=Kais;24123303]I'm not really sorry for anything I said here, as a serving US Marine I have many a problem with everything the Westboro Baptist Church does and would gladly take up an opportunity to settle this correctly and constitutionally. I'll defend the Constitution but I won't stand for anyone disrespecting the men and women who fight and die for this country, show some respect it's not that hard. The Patriot Guard Riders have the right idea, I just wish there were more people like them.[/QUOTE]
so you're a soldier, and thus you've taken an oath to uphold the constitution no matter what, but when someone does/says things that you don't like suddenly the constitution doesn't matter anymore?
it doesn't work that way
[QUOTE=Roskarnolkov;24123352]I honestly don't understand the mockery in this thread. No protest should be banned.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."[/QUOTE]
As much as I hate what they do in say, you're right, they have the right to spout whatever nonsense they want, just wish they didn't do it at funerals,
but here we are, talking about it, while I doubt your average person would agree with anything they have to say, their message is being spread, and that's their goal obviously
IMO, the best way to deal with them would be to ignore them, eventually they'll fade away, although until then, they'll get what the attention they crave.
As much as I'm sure people would love to stomp them into the ground, simply not listening to what they have to say would be far more insulting then attacking or arresting them, but it is nice to see the counter protesters that show up, I like seeing people uniting regardless of political beliefs.
Bottomline, it's not necessarily what they have to say that bothers people, it's where they do it, and I think everyone can agree that a funeral is not a place for some kind of political protest.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;24123411]The church is protesting because of their beliefs, therefore freedom of speech.
You harassing a person is out of hate, therefore infringement of their rights.
Freedom of speech guarantees that the people can peacefully protest and express their opinions. Consider this: "I do not agree with what you say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire[/QUOTE]
First, their harassments are out of hate.
Second, I never said what I would be doing to harass this person. Don't fill in the blanks to fit your arguement.
Third, That quote isn't Voltaire, it's by Evelyn Hall.
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Third, That quote isn't Voltaire, it's by Evelyn Hall.[/QUOTE]
Touche.
[QUOTE=Hallucinate;24123485]First, their harassments are out of hate.[/QUOTE]
except legally they ARE NOT harassing anyone
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;24123604]Voltaire is more-so credited with it, mainly because of his prominence as a writer.[/QUOTE]
Voltaire is credited with it because people have difficulty understanding first person dialogue. It was a summery of his attitude towards some guy he didn't like and a lot of people mistook it as a direct quote.
[QUOTE=Hallucinate;24123485]First, their harassments are out of hate.[/quote]
So because they disagree means it's hate?
Ok then, every disagreement there is is out of hate. If you don't support something or disagree with it, it's because you hate it.
Considering their website is
godhatesfags.com and literally has the word "hate" in it I'd say it's out of hate, I'm not trying to start a fight or say you're wrong or anything like that, I'm just saying, some of the stuff this group says does sound like hate speech
They never specifically say that they hate soldiers, or anyone other then homosexuals, their main problem is society's general acceptance of gay people, who they hate due to their religious beliefs, it isn't because they disagree with the war or anything like that.
They apparently consider the deaths of servicemen in the war god's retribution for society not outright hating gays, they even had signs thanking god for the space shuttle disaster, they're loons, but like I said, they have the right to say whatever they want.
[QUOTE=JDK721v2;24123623]except legally they ARE NOT harassing anyone[/QUOTE]
I know you're most likely right but do you have any online source for US law regarding harassment?
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