• Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional
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HKSniper thinks he's a lawyer and wants to deny rights to people he doesn't like. Lol. I talked to Lankist about this a few days ago (he's a lawyer), and he said they weren't committing any crimes. I'll ask him to explain it again next time I talk to him.
[QUOTE=Warhol;24179943]harassment is a prolonged crime. It's not something that goes on for an hour, it's something that lasts days to weeks to even months.[/QUOTE] Wrong. When a person tells you to stop, and you continue to do so - is there for harassment. [QUOTE=JDK721;24182261]HKSniper thinks he's a lawyer and wants to deny rights to people he doesn't like. Lol.[/QUOTE] Herp derp hurr Pissing people off, creating a disturbance, and spreading hate is an unconditional right. Then why do they not protest the things that they protest? Why do they go to other venues and bother a totally different crowd of people? They are out purely to create a hostile situation. That, my friend, is not covered under any amendment. As I said, the 1st Amendment does not give you the free ticket to just do what ever you damn well please. So, all mighty defender of the constitution, can I go out right now and openly carry (in a holster of course) a handgun on my hip as a simple citizen (non military or police) in the city of Chicago? You know what, I'm feel a little frisky - think it'd be OK for me to carry an RPG-7 with a loaded round for it? What's your opinion on that one? Remember - the people they are 'protesting' are private individuals. Not a corporation, government, or public figure.
[QUOTE=HkSniper;24183587]Wrong. When a person tells you to stop, [B]and you continue to do so[/B] - is there for harassment.[/quote] You just proved my point lol [quote]Herp derp hurr Pissing people off, creating a disturbance, and spreading hate is an unconditional right.[/quote] it is. [quote]Then why do they not protest the things that they protest? Why do they go to other venues and bother a totally different crowd of people?[/quote] Ask them, we're just defending their rights. [quote]They are out purely to create a hostile situation. That, my friend, is not covered under any amendment.[/quote] 1st one, actually. And no, they believe in what they preach. [quote]As I said, the 1st Amendment does not give you the free ticket to just do what ever you damn well please.[/quote] In this case, it does. [quote]So, all mighty defender of the constitution, can I go out right now and openly carry (in a holster of course) a handgun on my hip as a simple citizen (non military or police) in the city of Chicago? You know what, I'm feel a little frisky - think it'd be OK for me to carry an RPG-7 with a loaded round for it? What's your opinion on that one?[/quote] Rocket launchers are classified as military weapons. So it's illegal. Besides, you can take out a plane with that. The protesters just piss people off. [quote]Remember - the people they are 'protesting' are private individuals. Not a corporation, government, or public figure.[/QUOTE] you can protest what ever you want
You shouldn't be able to protest grieving families.
[QUOTE=HkSniper;24178121] "God hates fags" "God hates homos" so on and so forth. These protesters often use words as "Your son is dead because he fought for a country that supports fags" and "Your son is burning in hell" I have also heard things such as "Your son is burning in hell because he was a fag lover." This techincally could be libel and slander. As defined; Slander; harmful statement in a transitory form, especially speech Libel; (harmful statement in a fixed medium, especially writing but also a picture, sign, or electronic broadcast) There for is not covered under the 1st Amendment and is actually illegal. [/quote] I don't think you can slander a dead person. You aren't going to harm the reputation of the dead person in any way that affects them. [quote] There are also points in the 1st Amendment that may be waivered if the overall purpose of the use of your freedom of speech and assembly is for the purpose of causing a purely negative reaction. In many ways, these 'protesters' could be charged with Disorderly Conduct or Disturbing the Peace in many aspects - why? [/quote] So you're the judge of what is negative and what is not? Okay. [editline]07:09PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Tetracycline;24196565]You shouldn't be able to protest grieving families.[/QUOTE] Give logical reasons why. If you say "It hurts their feelings :downs:", you lose.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24196565]You shouldn't be able to protest grieving families.[/QUOTE] Um. Why?
Hooo, I guess I had no idea that people's emotions don't mean she when we're talking about rights. Wait a second, if they can protest no matter how it makes the people they protest feel, why can't we take away their right to protest that way? I mean, they'd still be able to protest they'd probably only feel a little betrayed, but who cares right?
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24199080]Hooo, I guess I had no idea that people's emotions don't mean she when we're talking about rights. Wait a second, if they can protest no matter how it makes the people they protest feel, why can't we take away their right to protest that way? I mean, they'd still be able to protest they'd probably only feel a little betrayed, but who cares right?[/QUOTE] What are you even talking about?
It doesn't fucking matter who's feelings are hurt. You do not have a right to have your fucking feelings protected. I would rather respect their speech than anyones feelings because the second you infringe anyones rights for any reason, you're on a slippery path. Don't violate anyones rights just because someones feelings are hurt.
[QUOTE=Warhol;24196284] Rocket launchers are classified as military weapons. So it's illegal. Besides, you can take out a plane with that. The protesters just piss people off.[/QUOTE] Errrrrrr. Wroooooooong. Please play again. :) Shows how much you know or support people's rights. :)
[QUOTE=HkSniper;24200353]Errrrrrr. Wroooooooong. Please play again. :) Shows how much you know or support people's rights. :)[/QUOTE] Says the guy who doesn't give a shit about the First Amendment if the people are doing something he doesn't agree with.
Wow, it's flag burning all over again.
[QUOTE=HkSniper;24200353]Errrrrrr. Wroooooooong. Please play again. :) Shows how much you know or support people's rights. :)[/QUOTE] So RPG's are legal?
[QUOTE=JDK721;24200712]Says the guy who doesn't give a shit about the First Amendment if the people are doing something he doesn't agree with.[/QUOTE] Yeah because that's all there is to it right
[QUOTE=JDK721;24200712]Says the guy who doesn't give a shit about the First Amendment if the people are doing something he doesn't agree with.[/QUOTE] Herp derp I'm going to put words into people's mouth and say shit they never said or referred to. JDK, You're an idiot. [QUOTE=Warhol;24200928]So RPG's are legal?[/QUOTE] Do the research and you will find it so. But should it not be so? It's covered under the 2A.
[QUOTE=HkSniper;24201935]Herp derp I'm going to put words into people's mouth and say shit they never said or referred to. JDK, You're an idiot. Do the research and you will find it so. But should it not be so? It's covered under the 2A.[/QUOTE] you have no idea how the constitution works lol
[QUOTE=HkSniper;24201935]Herp derp I'm going to put words into people's mouth and say shit they never said or referred to. JDK, You're an idiot.[/QUOTE] I laughed. You're the dumb fuck who wants to pick and choose when the First Amendment applies.
[QUOTE=JDK721;24201976]I laughed. You're the dumb fuck who wants to pick and choose when the First Amendment applies.[/QUOTE] Uh, buddy, no one is saying they shouldn't be able to protest whatever their beliefs are, they're saying they shouldn't be able to protest them the way they are, grieving widows and family members deserve emotional protection, or am I wrong, are emotions not worth protecting?
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24202030]Uh, buddy, no one is saying they shouldn't be able to protest whatever their beliefs are, they're saying they shouldn't be able to protest them the way they are, grieving widows and family members deserve emotional protection, or am I wrong, are emotions not worth protecting?[/QUOTE] Too bad. That sets a dangerous precedent if you start denying them the right to protest.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24202030]Uh, buddy, no one is saying they shouldn't be able to protest whatever their beliefs are, they're saying they shouldn't be able to protest them the way they are, grieving widows and family members deserve emotional protection, or am I wrong, are emotions not worth protecting?[/QUOTE] This post hurts my feelings. I'll see you in court.
[QUOTE=JDK721;24202052]Too bad. That sets a dangerous precedent if you start denying them the right to protest.[/QUOTE] JDK has a point. The point of the first amendment is that we have the right to say things that may insult people. The country at large may disagree with what these people are doing at funerals but under the constitution they have the right to do so.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24202030]Uh, buddy, no one is saying they shouldn't be able to protest whatever their beliefs are, they're saying they shouldn't be able to protest them the way they are, grieving widows and family members deserve emotional protection, or am I wrong, are emotions not worth protecting?[/QUOTE] so rights should not apply when people get offended?
[QUOTE=Rubs10;24119061]It might be legal, but they're still a bunch of fucktards.[/QUOTE] The main guy used to be a civil rights lawyer. The whole point of the Westboro Baptist Church is literally to be as inflammatory as possible (without breaking the law) to bait people to either attack or sue them, so that they go to court and win and are awarded large sums of money. They're not really a "religious" group in the traditional sense.
[QUOTE=TH89;24202213]The main guy used to be a civil rights lawyer. The whole point of the Westboro Baptist Church is literally to be as inflammatory as possible to try and get people to either attack or sue them, so that they go to court and win and are awarded large sums of money. They're not really a "religious" group in the traditional sense.[/QUOTE] I was unaware they were a "religious" group at all :v:
[QUOTE=TH89;24202213]The main guy used to be a civil rights lawyer. The whole point of the Westboro Baptist Church is literally to be as inflammatory as possible (without breaking the law) to bait people to either attack or sue them, so that they go to court and win and are awarded large sums of money. They're not really a "religious" group in the traditional sense.[/QUOTE] Ding ding ding ding. Thank you, TH89, for showing some intelligence into this conversation.
[QUOTE=HkSniper;24202315]Ding ding ding ding. Thank you, TH89, for showing some intelligence into this conversation.[/QUOTE] and? they're not breaking any laws by doing that actually, even if it is a dick thing to do.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;24202167]so rights should not apply when people get offended?[/QUOTE] It isn't as simple as having an opinion that is offensive, they're targeting the people they KNOW will be hurt my their actions, it's more than just having an offensive opinion.
What kind of cunts hold a protest at someones funeral?
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24202420]It isn't as simple as having an opinion that is offensive, they're targeting the people they KNOW will be hurt my their actions, it's more than just having an offensive opinion.[/QUOTE] Another good point, I'm glad people are finally coming forward with some common sense in their head.
[QUOTE=Fosty99;24202585]What kind of cunts hold a protest at someones funeral?[/QUOTE] Westboro Baptist Church....I thought it was pretty common knowledge :v:
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