Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional
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[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24226431]I'm not saying protesting funerals is necessarily unconstitutional btw, just the way WBC does it.
And why the hell is it perfectly legal to harass grieving families, I don't understand.[/QUOTE]
because it falls under the right to protest. they're protesting.
Protesting obscenely and being personal about it.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24226497]Protesting obscenely and being personal about it.[/QUOTE]
that's not illegal.
Is going up to a person and making fun of their dead parents and saying that they deserved to die legal
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24226548]Is going up to a person and making fun of their dead parents and saying that they deserved to die legal[/QUOTE]
Uh yeah, it is. And you're trying to make it illegal on the basis of what...? "My feelings are hurt!" You have no right to have your feelings unhurt.
That's why there are laws against harassment and hate speech right
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24226569]That's why there are laws against harassment and hate speech right[/QUOTE]
except we have laws for things that are direct threats against a person's well being which is entirely different.
My understanding of laws is a lie
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24226431]I'm not saying protesting funerals is necessarily unconstitutional btw, just the way WBC does it.
And why the hell is it perfectly legal to harass grieving families, I don't understand.[/QUOTE]
There is no hate speech ban in the US.
[QUOTE=Wikipedia]The United States federal government and state governments are broadly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Constitution from restricting speech. See, e.g., Gitlow v. New York (1925), incorporating the free speech clause. Generally speaking, the First Amendment prohibits governments from regulating the content of speech, subject to a few recognized exceptions such as defamation and incitement to riot. Even in cases where speech encourages illegal violence, instances of incitement qualify as criminal only if the threat of violence is imminent. This strict standard prevents prosecution of many cases of incitement, including prosecution of those advocating violent opposition to the government, and those exhorting violence against racial, ethnic, or gender minorities.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#United_States[/url]
Or maybe I'm just being too moral, assuming that emotions are actually important to a person's well-being.
But who the fuck am I kidding lol.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24226610]Or maybe I'm just being too moral, assuming that emotions are actually important to a person's well-being.
But who the fuck am I kidding lol.[/QUOTE]
They are but there's nothing to stop it in the US except you saying bad things to them, or suing them.
I'm not saying that its right. Its wrong, but it is one of the founding principles of the US. That's why I live in Canada :canada:
People shouldn't have the right to hurt people's feelings as much as they want, but I guess people don't have the right to be happy or nothin'
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;24226705]They are but there's nothing to stop it in the US except you saying bad things to them, or suing them.
I'm not saying that its right. Its wrong, but it is one of the founding principles of the US. That's why I live in Canada :canada:[/QUOTE]
The US is better than Canada in that aspect. It the right thing legally.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24226729]People shouldn't have the right to hurt people's feelings as much as they want, but I guess people don't have the right to be happy or nothin'[/QUOTE]
so you think it should be illegal to hurt someone's feelings?
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;24226754]so you think it should be illegal to hurt someone's feelings?[/QUOTE]
Heh, I guess not, but I don't think people should have the right to do whatever they want to hurt people's feelings but not get anything done about them
[QUOTE=JDK721v2;24226753]The US is better than Canada in that aspect. It the right thing legally.[/QUOTE]
I always find that if you make something illegal like hate speech, people do it less. If you don't agree, its a Canadian thing, there's a book detailing all about being a Canadian and Canadian ideologies, that shows why we act a certain way around certain things. I was going to write a thread about it a few months back. The author is pure genius.
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;24226953]I always find that if you make something illegal, people do it less. If you don't agree, its a Canadian thing, there's a book detailing all about being a Canadian and Canadian ideologies, that shows why we act a certain way around certain things. I was going to write a thread about it a few months back. The author is pure genius.[/QUOTE]
Canada must be really ass backwards in that respect, because everywhere else it seems to be the opposite, where banning something just makes people want to do it more.
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;24226953]I always find that if you make something illegal, people do it less. If you don't agree, its a Canadian thing, there's a book detailing all about being a Canadian and Canadian ideologies, that shows why we act a certain way around certain things. I was going to write a thread about it a few months back. The author is pure genius.[/QUOTE]
look at drug prohibition, or alcohol prohibition.
People do things more if they're illegal...at least in normal places like the USA
Eughg. Bad wording. Anyway, "Why we act like Canadians" by Pierre Burton.
Its a good read if you are interested in what makes Canadians and Americans different.
HK doesn't realise the miller test is unconstitutional because it doesn't take into account what is considered obscene.
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