[QUOTE=Mkt778;48675117]Christ in a handbasket, you people are so fucking ignorant about the user statistics thing.
It sometimes feels like the people who are scared of it most are people who actually have something to hide, and try to convince as many people as possible through fear-mongering not to upgrade.
Here's a heads up. Microsoft could care less about your bad-dragon/loli simulator 2015/facebook stalking habits.[/QUOTE]
It has nothing to do with that. I don't care what they see on my computer. What I do care about is the principle of the matter, and conveniently forcing a "free" upgrade to a new OS onto a majority of the marketshare of computers sounds to me like a really nice way to spread something wholly intended to spy on people. What better distribution mechanism than the built-in services that update the very OS most people use?
There's absolutely no reason that Windows 10 needs to collect and report all of my keystrokes to Microsoft. There's no reason for Wifi Sense to remember every protected network I've connected to and share their credentials with others that hop on my same network. There's no reason for it to seek out and disable any software installed that is illegally downloaded. There's no reason for it to communicate any information with Microsoft beyond when I tell it to receive updates.
Most of these features can be disabled but the core telemetry still exists, and it still continually reports back to Microsoft. Windows 10 is exactly like the Xbox One launch, except this time they're not backing away from it. They're embracing what they're advertising and telling people it's nothing to worry about. The sole purpose of Windows 10 is the mass collection of information. For what purpose? Analytics? Targeted advertisements? That all seems pretty tame compared to the sheer amount of information they are collecting.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;48675156]It has nothing to do with that. I don't care what they see on my computer. What I do care about is the principle of the matter, and conveniently forcing a "free" upgrade to a new OS onto a majority of the marketshare of computers sounds to me like a really nice way to spread something wholly intended to spy on people. What better distribution mechanism than the built-in services that update the very OS most people use?
There's absolutely no reason that Windows 10 needs to collect and report all of my keystrokes to Microsoft. There's no reason for Wifi Sense to remember every protected network I've connected to and share their credentials with others that hop on my same network. There's no reason for it to seek out and disable any software installed that is illegally downloaded. There's no reason for it to communicate any information with Microsoft beyond when I tell it to receive updates.
Most of these features can be disabled but the core telemetry still exists, and it still continually reports back to Microsoft. Windows 10 is exactly like the Xbox One launch, except this time they're not backing away from it. They're embracing what they're advertising and telling people it's nothing to worry about. The sole purpose of Windows 10 is the mass collection of information. For what purpose? Analytics? Targeted advertisements? That all seems pretty tame compared to the sheer amount of information they are collecting.[/QUOTE]
Sheesh you make this sound like the plot-line to Patlabor: The Movie.
[QUOTE=Mkt778;48675252]Except they don't seek out illegally pirated software. They don't keylog you. They could care less what you do with the actual computer.
[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3h5wwg/windows_10_disabling_pirated_software_not_so_fast/[/url]
The ability to disable software was misinterpreted as being [I]all[/I] software but in actual fact it was software obtained from their app store. Which in my opinion is fair game. Why would anybody need to be pirating 1 dollar apps?
The information they take is no more than what Apple and Google sniff out (Specifically though chrome, btw) and yet we have [I]absolutely[/I] no quarrel with that.
And hell, you sound so concerned about what Microsoft is sending back to their own servers but are absolutely fine with leaving your computer completely transparent through not installing [I]pretty vital security updates and not running an anti-virus whatsoever.[/I][/QUOTE]
Every once in awhile I run a whole slew of anti-virus programs and guess what, none of them ever find anything. And if an anti-virus program is such shit that it can't identify something that I may not know about then why bother even using them?
[QUOTE=Mkt778;48675296]Good for you. You're savvy enough not to click on everything you see.
It's just weird hearing somebody complain about privacy-concerns whilst also admitting to leaving their computers completely transparent in the same breath.[/QUOTE]
That's because if Paul from India is somehow using my computer to DDoS the FBI, he's doing a pretty nice job since I have no idea that it's happening.
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I don't like Windows 10. Simplified too much shit, hiding too many options, removing customisability. It's like a wannabe OSX and its shit, guess I won't be using DX12.
[QUOTE=cherrytrees;48675459]I don't like Windows 10. Simplified too much shit, hiding too many options, removing customisability. It's like a wannabe OSX and its shit, guess I won't be using DX12.[/QUOTE]
What are you even talking about? All the options are there, what customization was stripped?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48675724]What are you even talking about? All the options are there, what customization was stripped?[/QUOTE]
He probably hasn't discovered right clicking the start button, and then choosing "Control center".
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[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48675786]He probably hasn't discovered right clicking the start button, and then choosing "Control center".[/QUOTE]
The "Right Click Start Menu" in 8+ actually spoiled the shit out of me. Doing any computer management tasks in 7 feels clunky and awkward in comparison.
Its like going back to XP and realizing there is no type to search in the start menu.
[QUOTE=Demache;48676516]The "Right Click Start Menu" in 8+ actually spoiled the shit out of me. Doing any computer management tasks in 7 feels clunky and awkward in comparison.
Its like going back to XP and realizing there is no type to search in the start menu.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. I might just install 8 and classic shell just to get that Win+X deliciousness.
[QUOTE=Radley;48655578]Maybe I exaggerated a bit, I must admit.
I don't have w10 myself, but my roomie (who is an avid gamer) has had almost only trouble with it.[/QUOTE]
He's gotten Windows 10 to boot, so tell him to get himself an ISO for whatever edition he runs and clean install. If that doesn't fix it, summon an exorcist.
[editline]13th September 2015[/editline]
I'm just replying to posts as I go through each page, so if my merge breaks or I address something someone else already got to, I wouldn't worry about it.
[QUOTE=Kuro.;48657939]Don't want to sound like a conspiritard but did people seriously forget about Microsoft relations with the NSA, specifically the PRISM program?
Win10 definitely seems like it was tailor made to comply with the needs of said program, with all its 'telemetry' that can't be disabled even if the end user specifically tells the system not to send 'telemetry' back to MS. MS even went out of their way to hardcode access routes to their telemetry servers and prevent them from being blocked in hosts, you have to block all of that on your router and even then that's not guaranteed to work.
I'm really not sure why anyone security or privacy conscious would even consider using Windows 10.
In the end though it doesn't matter, because they retroactively added the telemetry stuff to Win7 and 8.1 via update, I'd seriously consider looking up how to remove them while you still can, before they integrate it too deeply to be removed.[/QUOTE]
Nobody's forgotten anything about NSA, but you don't quite understand the problem.
Imagine Big Brother in 1984. Now imagine something like that, but 10 times more powerful and about 20 times worse. The NSA at the moment is still worse than that. The reason I'm not being locked up for thought crimes and similar for saying shit like that is because the current administration is actually sane enough to not give a fuck about some 20-something in a minor city talking shit about them.
Don't protest Microsoft, protest the NSA, fight the actual problem while you still can.
[QUOTE=Merijnwitje;48658807]Why the hell is everyone pointing fingers at Windows 10 stating its a botnet / spyware OS? I have seen nothing, [I]absolutely[/I] nothing confirming this so far.[/QUOTE]
There's a lot of Wireshark screenshots/video of Windows 10 sending data to unresolved IP addresses, but no proof that those IPs belong to MS, and they all seem to conveniently hide the actual data being sent. It's FUD.
[QUOTE=Mkt778;48675117]Christ in a handbasket, you people are so fucking ignorant about the user statistics thing.
It sometimes feels like the people who are scared of it most are people who actually have something to hide, and try to convince as many people as possible through fear-mongering not to upgrade.
Here's a heads up. Microsoft could care less about your bad-dragon/loli simulator 2015/facebook stalking habits.[/QUOTE]
The "nothing to hide" argument is just utter BS. As Edward Snowden said, "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say".
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48655477]It's not illegal. Why would it be?
And no, win10 is not "incompatible piece of shit".[/QUOTE]
Windows 10 did not work on boot camp at all.
Upgrading to 10 over 7 not only nuked how I had chameleon configured for efi emulation on my Mac Pro but also fucked over my os x install as well because it went ahead and molested chameleon.
And you wonder why I was so stubborn to upgrade. This is bullshit.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;48675316]That's because if Paul from India is somehow using my computer to DDoS the FBI, he's doing a pretty nice job since I have no idea that it's happening.[/QUOTE]
Installing an antivirus over the top of an infected machine won't work very well, it needs to be already running when the infection comes in.
Go to [url]www.surfright.nl[/url], run hitman pro and then get back to us, it won't take long at all.
Don't see what the big deal is Windows 10 works perfectly for me?
I haven't upgraded yet as windows 7 does everything i need with no issues, i'll probably jump to windows 10 next year when the big bugs are squashed.
[QUOTE=MIPS;48679186]Windows 10 did not work on boot camp at all.
Upgrading to 10 over 7 not only nuked how I had chameleon configured for efi emulation on my Mac Pro but also fucked over my os x install as well because it went ahead and molested chameleon.
And you wonder why I was so stubborn to upgrade. This is bullshit.[/QUOTE]
You should be blaming Apple for that, not Microsoft. And though this incident happened in the past, they should have gotten bootcamp ready for Win10 by now.
[QUOTE='[EG] Pepper;48694912']Installing an antivirus over the top of an infected machine won't work very well, it needs to be already running when the infection comes in.
Go to [url]www.surfright.nl[/url], run hitman pro and then get back to us, it won't take long at all.[/QUOTE]
Wow, amazing. A dozen tracking cookies and two keygen false positives. Those dastardly chinese cybercriminal folks are rusing me for sure, aren't they?
I stand by the principle that nothing wholeheartedly innocent or with entirely good intentions in mind has ever come out of anything completely free.
Free samples at your local market are there since they want people to buy that product, not to be friendly. Games like Farmville are grindfests; [I]free[/I] of course, but they still want you to speed up those pesky crops up by inserting your credit card ("[I]it's less tedious that way! Trust us since, after all, we designed the game to be like that![/I]"). Most freemium mobile games ("apps" lol) have content locked behind a tasty paywall. Games like World of Warcraft isn't the complete experience unless you buy a premium account, same thing with Team Fortress 2 (but to a less extent).
When I heard that something as massive as an [I][B]entire OS[/B][/I] was being shipped out for [U]free[/U], it triggered more alarms for me than tumblr does on the international day for men. I do not care about it, and I will stay right clear from its path until whatever makes it 'free' is removed and they deem it necessary to put a price tag on it to compensate their apparent losses (not that I'd trust it anyway after this publicity stunt). How are they paying the developers who put their hard work into Windows 10 to begin with, exactly? Apparently not through revenue anyway.
I hear you guys pointing out that Microsoft wanted (and still want) people to update out of Windows XP really,[I] really[/I] badly - but Windows Vista still cost money didn't it? Still does to this day if I'm not mistaken. I could totally get behind Win 10 if it was [I]just cheaper[/I] for people already owning Windows 7 or 8, maybe in the range at [B]30-40%[/B] off? Even at [B]75%[/B] I'd still feel less paranoid than it just simply being [I]free[/I].
You can sweet talk Windows 10 all day long for all it's awesome and completely mind-blowing features that surpass every Microsoft OS in existence [I]combined[/I], but as long as the update is[I] technically [/I]100% free to [I]most[/I] people (and not [I]all[/I] people [B]period[/B]), I will not :quotes: buy :quotes: into it.
And that's my two worthless cents on the matter.
[B]tl;dr:[/B] microsuft is evul lol
Of course it's not free free. MS earns money by selling the stuff they track that's on by default. Same as google. That and MS never actually cared about profit from desktop OS sales as evident by their lack of desire to even check cdkeys for legitimacy. Cracking windows has always been one of the easiest things to do. Simply because MS doesn't care if you pirate it or buy it.
[QUOTE=LaughingOrange;48725021]I stand by the principle that nothing wholeheartedly innocent or with entirely good intentions in mind has ever come out of anything completely free.[/QUOTE]
What about FOSS?
[QUOTE=Levelog;48725336]What about FOSS?[/QUOTE]
linux is the anti-christ
[QUOTE=haloguy234;48705474]Wow, amazing. A dozen tracking cookies and two keygen false positives. Those dastardly chinese cybercriminal folks are rusing me for sure, aren't they?[/QUOTE]
What i said still stands, just because you didn't get infected means that nobody else will. No need to get all arseholeish about it.
[QUOTE=Levelog;48725336]What about FOSS?[/QUOTE]
I guess I should've specified myself more to them large companies that spend money on advertising said free thing, sometimes very extensively (and in this case, intrusively). Or maybe I'm just cherry picking.
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;48725343]linux is the anti-christ[/QUOTE]
I'm glad we're on the same page /s
Still aren't getting me to upgrade to 10. I'd rather not willingly install a keylogger on my system, thank you very much.
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