Firefox now has built-in ads. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Map in a box;43902147]The same extension that gets paid to unblock certain ads.[/QUOTE] I've used ABP for at least two years now and have had the "allow some unobtrusive ads" option enabled since I first found out about it. I've seen no obtrusive or annoying ads in that time so I don't see how that's even remotely relevant. Of course they're going to let ad companies pay to unblock unobtrusive ads, the devs deserve some compensation for making the service and they aren't just selling away their integrity or anything.

Normal people are looking at the address bar/bookmarks toolbar when they open a new tab anyway.

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;43902225]not sure what you're trying to do here. They do get bribed yes, but the "let some unobtrusive ads show" option is just that, an option. I haven't seen an ad in a year.[/QUOTE] For one ABP won't block the new tab things because of how it works. For two, the unobtrusive ads has nothing to do with the bribery, they've got a history of simply removing things from the blacklist from being paid to do it

[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;43902619]Also Adblock is a ripoff of ABP.[/QUOTE] I really see no reason to care. It does it's job, unlike ABP.

Adblock wouldn't block these things, because they're not "ads" (They're basically pre-loaded history items, adblock targets stuff in pages too, not the browser UI), and even then new users wouldn't have adblock installed, and the simple act of looking for and installing adblock would displace these links.

Good thing I'm using an outdated version of Firefox and don't even use the bookmark tab page.

[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;43903669]Adblock wouldn't block these things, because they're not "ads" (They're basically pre-loaded history items, adblock targets stuff in pages too, not the browser UI), and even then new users wouldn't have adblock installed, and the simple act of looking for and installing adblock would displace these links.[/QUOTE] I use a custom hosts file, so my computer never allows contact with ad servers. I wonder if this would also block these FF ads. If the ads are embedded in the browser, that is the speed dial square does not actually call out, then no it would not be blocked. If it has to connect to an outside server though I imagine then it's blocked no matter how Mozilla implements it.

I assume the images and placement is distributed via a similar method to blocklist/app updates, so unless you block those you'll most likely see them. That said, how often do you completely wipe your Firefox profile and history? I'm technically running the same profile I was using in 2004. Also blocking lookups using the hosts file is a crappy method, look into blocking connections via a firewall or something similar, sticking everything into the hosts file will just slow stuff down.

[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;43903669]Adblock wouldn't block these things, because they're not "ads" (They're basically pre-loaded history items, adblock targets stuff in pages too, not the browser UI), and even then new users wouldn't have adblock installed, and the simple act of looking for and installing adblock would displace these links.[/QUOTE] I haven't tried it but I think the element blocker addon for ABP could block them since the new tab page is just a specialized html page Firefox uses. Though I'm not sure if that page works the same as the shitty white/grey noise background they use for transparent images because I have yet to find a way to block that idiotic thing from loading.

Fuck everyone who uses AdBlock.

[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;43904379]I assume the images and placement is distributed via a similar method to blocklist/app updates, so unless you block those you'll most likely see them. That said, how often do you completely wipe your Firefox profile and history? I'm technically running the same profile I was using in 2004. Also blocking lookups using the hosts file is a crappy method, look into blocking connections via a firewall or something similar, sticking everything into the hosts file will just slow stuff down.[/QUOTE] Using a large hosts file crammed with everything you can think of will slow things down. Using a small well prepared hosts file doesn't slow anything down, in fact it makes websites load faster since all the ads are ignored.

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;43886590]you know what doesn't have ads? internet explorer.[/QUOTE] I opened up windows explorer and i got ads right away

Isn't there a button to turn off the visited pages in the new tab page anyway? It's in the upper right.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43910019]Fuck everyone who uses AdBlock.[/QUOTE] Fuck people who use ad networks to force my computers into being parts of a botnet.

[QUOTE=lavacano;43911777]Fuck people who use ad networks to force my computers into being parts of a botnet.[/QUOTE] Don't go on shitty websites with shitty ads then. Some people need ads to make a living. [editline]14th February 2014[/editline] Not to mention the single question is "Do you like free internet?" If your answer is "yes", fucking deal with the ads. Or you'll have to start paying subscription fees for every site you visit.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43911842]Don't go on shitty websites with shitty ads then. Some people need ads to make a living. [editline]14th February 2014[/editline] Not to mention the single question is "Do you like free internet?" If your answer is "yes", fucking deal with the ads. Or you'll have to start paying subscription fees for every site you visit.[/QUOTE] For what its worth, I unblock ads on sites I frequently visit. Although on some of my older machines, ABP is there purely for speed reasons. It takes a substantial amount of time for a P4 to start up Flash, process it, and start rendering it, on top of the actual rendering of the web site, but I hate enabling and disabling flash manually.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43911842]Don't go on shitty websites with shitty ads then. Some people need ads to make a living. [editline]14th February 2014[/editline] Not to mention the single question is "Do you like free internet?" If your answer is "yes", fucking deal with the ads. Or you'll have to start paying subscription fees for every site you visit.[/QUOTE] Perhaps site owners and ad makers should consider using/ making bearable adverts then? Right now we have an issue with advertisers tracking us around the Internet using their ads, that's pretty fucking unfair to do from a privacy standpoint. If the advertisers refuse to play fairly, why are we expected to? If someone wants to be able to run their website of nothing but ads, their website is going to be pretty unbearable to use should it reach any particularly noticable size.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43911842]Don't go on shitty websites with shitty ads then. Some people need ads to make a living.[/QUOTE] It's not just "shitty websites with shitty ads", either - there are numerous cases of legitimate ad networks being compromised and spreading malware on trusted sites. At this point, Adblock is at the same level as an anti-virus - you'd have to be bloody fucking stupid not to use it.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;43911918]Perhaps site owners and ad makers should consider using/ making bearable adverts then? Right now we have an issue with advertisers tracking us around the Internet using their ads, that's pretty fucking unfair to do from a privacy standpoint. If the advertisers refuse to play fairly, why are we expected to? If someone wants to be able to run their website of nothing but ads, their website is going to be pretty unbearable to use should it reach any particularly noticable size.[/QUOTE] In some cases (ie YouTube) you don't get to choose what ads are there. The networks do that for you, and in cases like that, arguments like [B]this[/B]: [QUOTE=lavacano;43912024]It's not just "shitty websites with shitty ads", either - there are numerous cases of legitimate ad networks being compromised and spreading malware on trusted sites. At this point, Adblock is at the same level as an anti-virus - you'd have to be bloody fucking stupid not to use it.[/QUOTE] are rendered completely useless, because why the hell would any company buy an advertisement knowing it's malicious, put it up on a site where thousands upon thousands risk running into it causing the integrity of the entire company to fall apart as a virus-spreader? How about actually getting an anti-virus that doesn't suck (the investment is worth it if you're worrying so much), and stop worrying the NSA or whatever are going to track you down because you looked at that one shady porn clip that one time because honestly why the hell would they (or anyone else) care? I'm all for people having their privacy on the web, but the lengths people go to is ridiculous - unless you're actually doing things that could cause you prison time, you should be fine - and if you do, you should've seen it coming anyway.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43912455]In some cases (ie YouTube) you don't get to choose what ads are there. The networks do that for you, and in cases like that, arguments like [B]this[/B]: are rendered completely useless, because why the hell would any company buy an advertisement knowing it's malicious, put it up on a site where thousands upon thousands risk running into it causing the integrity of the entire company to fall apart as a virus-spreader? How about actually getting an anti-virus that doesn't suck (the investment is worth it if you're worrying so much), and stop worrying the NSA or whatever are going to track you down because you looked at that one shady porn clip that one time because honestly why the hell would they (or anyone else) care? I'm all for people having their privacy on the web, but the lengths people go to is ridiculous - unless you're actually doing things that could cause you prison time, you should be fine - and if you do, you should've seen it coming anyway.[/QUOTE] This post is embarrassingly short-sighted. Of course they wouldn't know that the compromized ad was malicious because it was [I]compromized![/I] That's how it works! They can't be aware when one of their ads gets compromised each and every time! There are [url=http://community.skype.com/t5/Security-Privacy-Trust-and/Skype-ads-in-rotation-have-been-compromised-and-contain-Malware/td-p/2894251]proven[/url] cases of this [url=http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303743604579350654103483462]happening[/url] very recently. Pretending that these things haven't happened is called being ignorant.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43911842]Don't go on shitty websites with shitty ads then. Some people need ads to make a living. [editline]14th February 2014[/editline] Not to mention the single question is "Do you like free internet?" If your answer is "yes", fucking deal with the ads. Or you'll have to start paying subscription fees for every site you visit.[/QUOTE] Advertisers should stop allowing irritating as fuck ads and should have far more strict controls on the ads they accept then. Even Google's ad service has been known to carry malicious ads and stupid shit like autoplaying video ads serve no purpose other than to make me despise whoever made them. I'll stick to ABP and just disable it on a site to site basis for sites I want to support thank you very much. [quote]If your answer is "yes", fucking deal with the ads. Or you'll have to start paying subscription fees for every site you visit.[/QUOTE] Yeah, this has totally happened all the time. This is why 90% of the internet is currently locked behind paywalls and subscriptions since AdBlockers have been out for years. Oh wait... No, that's not the case actually. Most sites are still free. Huh. Imagine that.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;43908008]I haven't tried it but I think the element blocker addon for ABP could block them since the new tab page is just a specialized html page Firefox uses. Though I'm not sure if that page works the same as the shitty white/grey noise background they use for transparent images because I have yet to find a way to block that idiotic thing from loading.[/QUOTE] How many people are going to take the time to manually block these images on the first run page? And the stand alone image document is a plain HTML page as well. [QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;43911103]Using a large hosts file crammed with everything you can think of will slow things down. Using a small well prepared hosts file doesn't slow anything down, in fact it makes websites load faster since all the ads are ignored.[/QUOTE] It will still slow things down because you're not blocking the results, you're just changing the address, so the browser still goes through the connect > fail procedure. Blocking it via the firewall is faster because the rule processing is faster, and the firewall can block connections properly.

[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;43915485]How many people are going to take the time to manually block these images on the first run page? And the stand alone image document is a plain HTML page as well.[/QUOTE] Probably no one. I'm just saying it could actually be possible is all.

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Ie master race.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43912455]In some cases (ie YouTube) you don't get to choose what ads are there. The networks do that for you, and in cases like that, arguments like [B]this[/B]:[/quote] YouTube has annoying, invasive ads that prevent me from watching my video for 20 seconds I'm not willing to give due to the fact that I don't want to buy a new car or the next CoD. [QUOTE]are rendered completely useless, because why the hell would any company buy an advertisement knowing it's malicious, put it up on a site where thousands upon thousands risk running into it causing the integrity of the entire company to fall apart as a virus-spreader?[/QUOTE] I don't fucking know, I don't work at Microsoft and regulate what ads are displayed on Skype, y'know, that thing that was found to recently have a malicious advertisement in it's rotation? [QUOTE]How about actually getting an anti-virus that doesn't suck (the investment is worth it if you're worrying so much),[/QUOTE] I've been virus-free for five or six years, and I have minimal protection because I like being able to do things without warnings for every action I make. [QUOTE]and stop worrying the NSA or whatever are going to track you down because you looked at that one shady porn clip that one time because honestly why the hell would they (or anyone else) care?[/QUOTE] If I cared what the NSA was surveying I'd use TOR. [QUOTE]I'm all for people having their privacy on the web, but the lengths people go to is ridiculous - unless you're actually doing things that could cause you prison time, you should be fine - and if you do, you should've seen it coming anyway.[/QUOTE] Downloading a plugin isn't ridiculous? [editline]16th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Coyoteze;43911842]Don't go on shitty websites with shitty ads then. Some people need ads to make a living.[/QUOTE] Not my fault they made a poor life choice and decided to get all of their income from a website [QUOTE]Not to mention the single question is "Do you like free internet?" If your answer is "yes", fucking deal with the ads. Or you'll have to start paying subscription fees for every site you visit.[/QUOTE] That's like buying a porn site membership lol Unless that site is YouTube, I can't really think of a site I visit that I couldn't find what I want elsewhere. [editline]16th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Coyoteze;43910019]Fuck everyone who uses AdBlock.[/QUOTE] Fuck you too? I guess? I don't really care.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43910019]Fuck everyone who uses AdBlock.[/QUOTE] Rude, much? What if we (by that I mean everybody except you) don't want to see garish advertisements while surfing the web? I've been using Adblock for years and don't remember what an ad-infested webpage looks like. Plus, it's handy for blocking malicious ads such as the ones that resemble "DOWNLOAD" or "PLAY NOW" buttons. Fuck the people who make those.

The way I see advertising is this: You, the person making something like a webpage available with ads, get to decide whether or not your site has ads. You have control of that. You do not have control of whether or not I see those ads. I have control of that. I think we all know that the vast majority of the people online don't use custom hosts files or even ad block type of extensions. Most people use the first browser they see(like IE) and then use it exactly as it is configured by default. That's the website's target for ads. Those who can and do anti-advertising steps will always avoid your ads so it's no use crying about it.