[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;39222624]smoke weed if you want, i don't care and shouldn't care
just don't go around trying to say it's some miracle drug that cures cancer and grants you immortality, no it's something people use to feel better and relieve pain[/QUOTE]
I started hating all of my friends who smoked because they did this, and I got tired of it.
Then I decided to look it to spite them, and sure enough, it's true. You can find cases left and right of people using cannabis oil to cause tumors to shrink and dissipate, even brain tumors. Schedule 1 my ass.
[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;39223661]I am just saying that some people can be smart and enjoy weed everyday.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone is disputing this.
[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;39223661]Anything that alters the chemical state of your brain is harmful, I am just saying that some people can be smart and enjoy weed everyday. I know a lot of people who smoke pot who do pretty well in school.[/QUOTE]
Dude wot. You know that your brain is actively altering it's own chemical state? Often in ways that aren't 'good.'
You make cannibinoids and morphine in your body, and your body administrates it. You're talking out your ass. It's like taking any other substance.
There are so many contradictory studies about this kind of shit that it might as well just come down to opinion anyways.
[QUOTE=Dredile;39222758]If weed fucks up your life then Weed just got there first.[/QUOTE]
I didn't know Joe Rogan was a facepunch member hahaha
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;39222624]smoke weed if you want, i don't care and shouldn't care
just don't go around trying to say it's some miracle drug that cures cancer and grants you immortality, no it's something people use to feel better and relieve pain[/QUOTE]
Would you like to quote the post that asserted that?
I mean, I get it. There [I]are[/I] people out there with that attitude. But nobody brought it up until [I]you[/I] did. And that isn't helping.
[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;39223661]Anything that alters the chemical state of your brain is harmful, I am just saying that some people can be smart and enjoy weed everyday. I know a lot of people who smoke pot who do pretty well in school.[/QUOTE]
No. By the very act of living - existing - your body and your brain are in a constant state of change and chemical reactions. To be at equilibrium with no further changes to your body or brain chemistry is literally to be dead.
[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;39223661]Anything that alters the chemical state of your brain is harmful, I am just saying that some people can be smart and enjoy weed everyday. I know a lot of people who smoke pot who do pretty well in school.[/QUOTE]
you know what else alters the chemical state of your brain? like, everything
I'm not joking
EVERYTHING. Caffeine in your soda. Coffee. Energy drinks. The acetaminophen in the pain relievers you take. Traces of mercury in sea food and heavy metals in everything else. Car exhaust in the air. Ozone in the atmosphere. Background radiation from a star thousands of light years away. All of it is affecting your body and your brain. Right now. Including the drugs your mother took when she was pregnant with you.
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[QUOTE=sltungle;39224219]No. By the very act of living - existing - your body and your brain are in a constant state of change and chemical reactions. To be at equilibrium with no further changes to your body or brain chemistry is literally to be dead.[/QUOTE]
Very true. Indeed, one's own brain waves are influencing the chemistry of your brain even as you read this
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[QUOTE=Paramud;39223878]There are so many contradictory studies about this kind of shit that it might as well just come down to opinion anyways.[/QUOTE]
The problem with "studies" is that more often than not the scientists that develop them are trying to prove something that they believe in. Therefore, they're more inclined to look for and recognize evidence that supports their own assertions. This isn't necessarily intentional, mind you, it's merely expected and so, in some way, you're right.
Iq tests have been debunked anyway.
[QUOTE=coldroll5;39224366]Iq tests have been debunked anyway.[/QUOTE]
Right. They've been completely debunked as a measure of intelligence. IQ is a pretty accurate measurement in terms of a person's ability to perform at tests, but not much else. The term "intelligence quotient" is without a doubt out-dated
[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;39222378]Maybe people that smoke weed just generally have a lower IQ.[/QUOTE] That's not how statistics work.
[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;39222378]Maybe people that smoke weed just generally have a lower IQ.[/QUOTE]
lol
People who drive cars are smarter than people who don't drive cars because they have the ability to drive a car.
IRREFUTABLE FACT
[QUOTE=Stopper;39224420]That's not how statistics work.[/QUOTE]
for the sake of everyone in here, please google correlation
[QUOTE=Strider*;39224472]for the sake of everyone in here, please google correlation[/QUOTE]
Correlation is not causation.
[QUOTE=Da Big Man;39222382]Doesn't change the fact most if not all of the guys and gals I know that use cannabis are total dipshits anyways[/QUOTE]
I don't partake but a lot of the people I know are really cool folks so maybe you should hang out with the wrong people?
[QUOTE=Furioso;39224487]Correlation is not causation.[/QUOTE]
He didn't imply a causation.
[QUOTE=Paramud;39224505]He didn't imply a causation.[/QUOTE]
Right, but Pepsi-cola whom was originally quoted was implying a causation
until weed is easier for me to get I'm not going out of my way find some more.
[QUOTE=Furioso;39224515]Right, but Pepsi-cola whom was originally quoted was implying a causation[/QUOTE]
That's who I was referring to. He didn't say weed caused people to be unintelligent, or that being unintelligent caused people to smoke weed. He said maybe there's a correlation.
[QUOTE=Furioso;39224515]Right, but Pepsi-cola whom was originally quoted was implying a causation[/QUOTE]
um maybe you should google correlation too
ok, I did reach too far with that, I'll admit I misread his statement
I have been wanting to try weed ever since I watched Lady Gaga dance in a hotdog costume while high.
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;39222647]And makes video games wicked[/QUOTE]
I played Dark Souls the first time I got high.
It was the most marvelous thing I've ever done.
[QUOTE=Strider*;39222811]And?
So did Carl Sagan, how is that any proof that marijuana isn't neurotoxic? There is always the argument that they might have produced "better" work or contributed more if they hadn't been drug users.
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I'm just saying your logic is faulty.[/QUOTE]
If I'm not mistaken Carl Sagan was under the impression that the effects of cannabis on his mind HELPED him better understand the universe and fundamentally difficult or challenging concepts. That, and combined with the fact that most studies I've ever read have pointed to cannabis not really being that damaging to the brain at all make me feel pretty comfortable with it.
Hell, after smoking with my friend the other day at his house and having a good discussion on evolution and how DNA might have formed out of the primordial ooze I can understand the kind of mindset that cannabis can help open your mind and better understand things.
I had a pretty important personal revelation in regards to large numbers and probability while having that discussion with my friend the other day. A lot of the times we use concepts like the 'mole' or other large units in science (one mole of substance containing somewhere on the order of 6.022*10^23 parts) and it's hard to truly appreciate the absolute absurdity of how large a number like that is, but while having our little discussion I came to better appreciate numbers of that size and how something as unlikely as DNA would form out of a chaotic system of elements and molecules. Even once the basic amino acids that were needed to build up DNA formed it's still crazy to imagine that the conditions to make it energetically favourable for them to bond with sugars and phosphates to form what we know as DNA would occur as they must have.
If it does turn out it's got any negative effects on the brain, unless they're monumentally detrimental I don't think that would dissuade me from further usage of cannabis if it's able to give me insight into questions such as those which crop up in my mind on a daily basis. I'm here to understand the universe, and if a slightly mind altering substance will allow me to better do so then I'm all for it. That, and music is fucking incredible when you're high.
My motto is "smoke weed until you die", so don't think I'm trying to disparage tokers here.
However, none of what you've just stated has any relevancy to the debate of whether marijuana is neurotoxic or not.
Anecdotal evidence simply isn't valuable.
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you could have a discussion with your friend about that
[QUOTE=Strider*;39224927]My motto is "smoke weed until you die", so don't think I'm trying to disparage tokers here.
However, none of what you've just stated has any relevancy to the discussion of whether marijuana is neurotoxic or not.
Anecdotal evidence simply isn't valuable.
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you could have a discussion with your friend about that[/QUOTE]
Maybe so, but it's about as arrogant to claim that weed can be neurotoxic as it is to claim that it can't be because nobody really knows, and no one ever can know for certain. Hypothetically, even if you could test and demonstrably and reliably prove that out of 999,999,999 people, every single one of those people experienced no neurotoxic effects after smoking and then ended the study... what if it merely took that 1 billionth person to prove that there's a 1 in a billion chance of it being neurotoxic? You simply wouldn't know
[QUOTE=skynrdfan3;39222353]but weed is bad and im better than everyone else for not smoking it![/QUOTE]
Weed is good, and it does not make you better if you were or were not smoking it.
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;39222624]smoke weed if you want, i don't care and shouldn't care
just don't go around trying to say it's some miracle drug that cures cancer and grants you immortality, no it's something people use to feel better and relieve pain[/QUOTE]
I see this post in every thread about Cannabis and I have never heard anyone say anything to the contrary of it.
I know it's not a miracle drug, I know it's not an all-out cure for cancer, and I know it won't make me immortal. I have never said it does any of those things and I don't know anyone that believes it does. Why do people feel the need to constantly regurgitate this post?
[QUOTE=Da Big Man;39222382]Doesn't change the fact most if not all of the guys and gals I know that use cannabis are total dipshits anyways[/QUOTE]You seem to attract idiots then, which makes sense with your stupidity.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;39222448][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem[/url]
address the argument presented or don't post.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone cares about ad hominems anymore.
It's like "Hey, you did this thing called [i]ad hominem[/i], ur not even good enough to argue with me so thx bye."
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