Lavabit founder has stopped using email: "If you knew what I know, you might not use it either" - Polidicks

See its not the bill of rights, but the bill of privileges.

[QUOTE=dass;41791223]So, when do we go into the dragon's den? I dunno, at noon maybe... Is everyone ready? Yup, lets do it. I got the spells ready. translation: Dragon's den = white house, spells = bombs oh shit, the NSA is coming after me now guys[/QUOTE] pffff no it's more like this Alright guys, you ready? I got 6 mags. Bout 2 hit up dis bank. We go in stealth, suppressors on! OH SHIT SOMEONE SAW US LIGHT THE PLACE UP aka payday 2

[QUOTE=Binladen34;41793246]pffff no it's more like this Alright guys, you ready? I got 6 mags. Bout 2 hit up dis bank. We go in stealth, suppressors on! OH SHIT SOMEONE SAW US LIGHT THE PLACE UP aka payday 2[/QUOTE] Now imagine playing CS with the NSA listening in. "Alright were gonna plant the bomb at A." "Bomb has been planted." "Hostage down." "Its gonna blow!"

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;41790909]Because that's encrypted with 100% unbreakable ciphers, right? (Hint: They have straight up data taps on the net. If they want to pay attention to you, they can.)[/QUOTE] (I know he's talking about Teamspeak, but I don't know those specifics) To be fair Mumble uses end to end 100% TSL 256bit AES-SHA for it's shit, and assuming you're the one controlling the actual box; it's pretty secure. [editline]11th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Mattk50;41790876]Theres more secure ways to communicate online that isn't an email protocol.[/QUOTE] This is true, there are quite a few heavily encrypted message protocols, then you can always have extra layers (like 1/2 the message and so on) if it's actually something that needs that much security.

[QUOTE=glitchvid;41793702](like 1/2 the message and so on) [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=terrist]And so tommorow we will plant the [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=terrist]garden at your mothers house[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=glitchvid;41793702](I know he's talking about Teamspeak, but I don't know those specifics) To be fair Mumble uses end to end 100% TSL 256bit AES-SHA for it's shit, and assuming you're the one controlling the actual box; it's pretty secure.[/QUOTE] Only if they actually implement perfect forward secrecy (with temporary keys). Otherwise they can just record everything and get the key later to decrypt it.

[QUOTE=latin_geek;41790823]How's that "free speech" thing coming along, US?[/QUOTE] I am from Europe and I wouldn't be surprised if we get spied on as well. So I don't think that we have the right to laugh at americans.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;41790909]Because that's encrypted with 100% unbreakable ciphers, right? (Hint: They have straight up data taps on the net. If they want to pay attention to you, they can.)[/QUOTE] It can be encrypted, and its (as far as I know) end to end, not even the server decrypts it. It just passes it along. Its made by Germans so given how paranoid they seem to be I assume it does actually work. [editline]11th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;41791256]oh shit, the government might read the $10 billion i owe in taxes from all the money the Nigerians princes gave me. but still they shouldn't be reading anyone's email without a warrant[/QUOTE] They don't need to be reading the emails, they could just be reading the headers which cannot be encrypted because the service would fall apart. You could then be implemented in a crime purely because you emailed the wrong person.

[QUOTE=Desuh;41796347]I am from Europe and I wouldn't be surprised if we get spied on as well. So I don't think that we have the right to laugh at americans.[/QUOTE] british intelligence purchases all of the same software that the us does for spying purposes, so most likely yep

[QUOTE=mikerocks;41792942]I don't ever email anyone now anyways.[/QUOTE] Your facepunch and steam account are registered with an email.

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41797213]Your facepunch and steam account are registered with an email.[/QUOTE] I think he means [I]sending[/I] emails.

[QUOTE=YCheez;41793648]Now imagine playing CS with the NSA listening in. "Alright were gonna plant the bomb at A." "Bomb has been planted." "Hostage down." "Its gonna blow!"[/QUOTE] hostages in demolition map what is this a custom map???

[QUOTE=Jsm;41797244]I think he means [I]sending[/I] emails.[/QUOTE] If a government entity has access to your email, they have access to the knowledge of what accounts are registered with it. Doesn't matter if you send them.

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41797213]Your facepunch and steam account are registered with an email.[/QUOTE] Do you usually have conversations with facepunch and Steam? I'm fairly sure he meant he doesn't email people.

Not sending email doesn't mean you don't use it. You still have to verify with an email, and if you use something like Gmail there is a good chance it's going to stay (containing your username and possibly more personal information for their use).

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41797282]Not sending email doesn't mean you don't use it. You still have to verify with an email, and if you use something like Gmail there is a good chance it's going to stay (containing your username and possibly more personal information for their use).[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure he meant that since he's not sending any emails they can't read his personal emails.

I get that message loud and clear. I'm trying to convey that him not sending emails [I]does not make him invulnerable.[/I]

It's lucky then I don't use email that much at all. Seriously I think all I use it for is to register on websites.

[QUOTE=latin_geek;41790823]How's that "free speech" thing coming along, US?[/QUOTE] "Everything is still great in America! Stop worrying, and watch some more TV™"

[QUOTE=latin_geek;41790823]How's that "free speech" thing coming along, US?[/QUOTE] I love America. America is the greatest country in the world. Our glorious president is leading us into the light of prosperity. And the NSA is doing a wonderful job at keeping our freedom safe from terrorism. [sp]Just kidding, fuck the NSA.[/sp]

[QUOTE=latin_geek;41790823]How's that "free speech" thing coming along, US?[/QUOTE] Great unless you're coordinating a terrorist attack through e-mail. NOTHING about this is a violation of free speech, seriously get a grip.

[QUOTE=Brt5470;41797392]"Everything is still great in America! Stop worrying, and watch some more TV™"[/QUOTE] TV isn't a trademark Its a shitty injoke but at least use it right goddamn

But without email how will I remember all those accounts for f2p games I registered 3 years ago?

[QUOTE=latin_geek;41790823]How's that "free speech" thing coming along, US?[/QUOTE] You're free to speak, they are free to listen and prosecute :suicide:

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;41797414]Great unless you're coordinating a terrorist attack through e-mail. NOTHING about this is a violation of free speech, seriously get a grip.[/QUOTE] Who would even coordinate a terrorist attack through E-Mail anyway? You have got to be seriously dumb to even consider using it to do such a thing.

[QUOTE=kirederf7;41797724]they are free to listen and prosecute :suicide:[/QUOTE] That's why the news is just chock-full of people in the US being thrown in prison for criticizing the government in private emails, right? Free speech and surveillance are not mutually incompatible. You could have the right to say whatever you want while the government reads everything you write. You could have no free speech, and be arrested for protesting in public, but be under no surveillance within the privacy of your own home. They're two separate issues and you shouldn't be conflating them.

[QUOTE=Desuh;41796347]I am from Europe and I wouldn't be surprised if we get spied on as well. So I don't think that we have the right to laugh at americans.[/QUOTE] Email providers in Germany are required to scan messages and forward those with certain keywords. They had a vanishingly small number of actual cases from this, so it's most likely a huge waste of money in addition to being completely disproportionate.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;41797414]Great unless you're coordinating a terrorist attack through e-mail. NOTHING about this is a violation of free speech, seriously get a grip.[/QUOTE] yes shutting down an email service primarily used for private communication without fear of being prosecuted and threatening the founder with legal action if he speaks a word of it is 100% free speech I agree

[QUOTE=catbarf;41799397]That's why the news is just chock-full of people in the US being thrown in prison for criticizing the government in private emails, right? Free speech and surveillance are not mutually incompatible. You could have the right to say whatever you want while the government reads everything you write. You could have no free speech, and be arrested for protesting in public, but be under no surveillance within the privacy of your own home. They're two separate issues and you shouldn't be conflating them.[/QUOTE] It is extremely easy to abuse though. [url]http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2849[/url]

[QUOTE=Robber;41800378]It is extremely easy to abuse though. [URL]http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2849[/URL][/QUOTE] Definitely, but I really don't get where this 'so much for free speech' sentiment is coming from. The First Amendment still protects Americans, unless you're actively making threats or planning terrorism in your email you're not going to be arrested. If you can give me examples of people being convicted and sent to prison for being critical of the government in email I'll gladly eat my words.