Court Orders Military to Refer to Chelsea Manning As ‘She’

[Durandal]

Why does it matter? I mean I don't really understand Manning's struggle and know little about the case, but why is it news that they are to be called a she now?

[Conely]

[QUOTE=Durandal;47283661]Why does it matter? I mean I don't really understand Manning's struggle and know little about the case, but why is it news that they are to be called a she now?[/QUOTE]

cos not only is Manning still a high profile figure for blowing the whistle but it also establishes a precedent that the government is indeed obligated to respect the gender pronouns of trans prisoners. it's a big step forward even if it might not be immediately obvious

[Starlight 456]

[QUOTE=Durandal;47283661]Why does it matter? I mean I don't really understand Manning's struggle and know little about the case, but why is it news that they are to be called a she now?[/QUOTE]

Transphobia is still rampant, especially in the military (we don't even allow trans people to be in the military). The declaration that Manning is to be called "She" despite her crimes and military status is pretty big.

[Used Car Salesm]

Wow. That is, like, crazy progressive coming from the military.

Sometimes it's hard to believe that DADT was the law of the land not that long ago, and soldiers would be subject to disciplinary action just for publicly acknowledging their LGBT status.

There has been precious little progress to celebrate in my lifetime, and it's nice to see at least one part of our society that has changed so drastically for the better.

[Lachz0r]

[QUOTE=acarvromvroom;47283106]I'm going to stop replying since this argument is going in a circle, I respect transsexual people, but when it comes to a traitor that deserves a life sentence I will have no pity.[/QUOTE]

i wonder if you're racist against lifers that have a different race to you? homophobic against gays with life sentences?

[Moose]

i could honestly care less about the gender or racial/culturual stance of an individual that is a piece of shit who knowingly leaks information that may or may not endanger the security of other individuals

i mean good for 'her' being independant but really 'she' can fuck off

[Invadernouga]

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47283713]Wow. That is, like, crazy progressive coming from the military.

Sometimes it's hard to believe that DADT was the law of the land not that long ago, and soldiers would be subject to disciplinary action just for publicly acknowledging their LGBT status.

There has been precious little progress to celebrate in my lifetime, and it's nice to see at least one part of our society that has changed so drastically for the better.[/QUOTE]

Nobody was getting NJP'D for being gay dude. With that being SAID DADT was still a shit ass policy.

[Shark Bones]

The way I see it, if they're making the military respect her wishes, then they're making the military respect the wishes of ALL trans people.

This is a step forward. I've been treated like shit by military before for being trans, so if they're being made to respect the "most infamous" trans woman's wishes then that means they'll have to finally respect mine as well.

Whether you like Miss Channing or not, it's a step forward in the right direction for trans people everywhere.

[Aerial Assault]

[QUOTE=Moose;47284899]i could honestly care less about the gender or racial/culturual stance of an individual that is a piece of shit who knowingly leaks information that may or may not endanger the security of other individuals

i mean good for 'her' being independant but really 'she' can fuck off[/QUOTE]

You know, the less transphobic you try to be, the more transphobic you actually are :v:

[Exho]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;47282527]I can't believe she's not being given the death penalty for treason.[/QUOTE]

Do you believe Edward Snowden deserves the death penalty too?

[Deunan]

[QUOTE=acarvromvroom;47282540]Should be for life in my opinion. I don't see why they have mercy for this traitor, he doesn't deserve the treatment or being referred to as he wants. You don't give plastic surgery for prisoners nor call them what they want, they are prisoners, the only thing they are entitled to is life, nothing else.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that concept of prisoner treatment went to the wayside in the early 19hundreds and criminal science is elsewhere these days.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47283713]Wow. That is, like, crazy progressive coming from the military.

Sometimes it's hard to believe that DADT was the law of the land not that long ago, and soldiers would be subject to disciplinary action just for publicly acknowledging their LGBT status.

There has been precious little progress to celebrate in my lifetime, and it's nice to see at least one part of our society that has changed so drastically for the better.[/QUOTE]

Imho it's because you're immersed in the society and as a result you don't actually see all the changes. The differences between now and say twenty years ago are absolutely stunningly massive. It's just hard to see, since it's a lot of small iterative steps.