Sweden Democrats hit 25.2% in opinion poll, making them the largest party. - Polidicks

Have been voting for them 2 times now. I am very happy for this.

[QUOTE=orgornot;48503462]I will vote for SD in the next elections if there are still beggars outside of every store/station/landmark.[/QUOTE] So, just because of these beggars, you are willing to accept the possibility of death penalty, limiting of abortion, forced Christianity in schools, limited gay rights, stopping the usage of solar cells and wind energy etc... ? [editline]20th August 2015[/editline] The only thing SD is good at is to bring these issues to the table for the real parties to handle.

I don't really like SD. I've been critical of the party and I still am today. Their roots are tainted with neo-nazism. A lot of the people in the party seem like total nitwits. I don't align with the majority of their politics, but I still find myself leaning more and more towards SD. The entire political situation in Sweden is incredibly frustrating. Nothing really gets done. Nobody wants to touch the subject of immigration, leading to more and more people getting frustrated. SD will only keep snowballing and if nothing drastic happens in the next three years, SD will probably be the biggest party in Sweden. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;48503908]So, just because of these beggars, you are willing to accept the possibility of death penalty, limiting of abortion, forced Christianity in schools, limited gay rights, stopping the usage of solar cells and wind energy etc... ? [editline]20th August 2015[/editline] The only thing SD is good at is to bring these issues to the table for the real parties to handle.[/QUOTE] Except there's no handling being done

[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;48504028]Except there's no handling being done[/QUOTE] Trust me, when SD gets 25+, they will start handling.

[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;48504028]Except there's no handling being done[/QUOTE] DF just got big enough to really get a say here in Denmark, and yeah things have definitely changed. Don't be surprised when they actually follow through on stupid bullshit.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;48503908]So, just because of these beggars, you are willing to accept the possibility of death penalty, limiting of abortion, forced Christianity in schools, limited gay rights, stopping the usage of solar cells and wind energy etc... ? [editline]20th August 2015[/editline] The only thing SD is good at is to bring these issues to the table for the real parties to handle.[/QUOTE] SD's general stance on LGBT people is A+ "We have nothing against non-straight and transgendered people, we just think they're disgusting degenerates s'all" And among many, many, other things, their bible belt tier "we need to teach our children Christian family values and morals!" garbage Yeah our current immigration policies are completely retarded, but it seems like SD's main goal is to build a time machine that leads back into the 1930's Åkesson's #Borninthewronggeneration

[QUOTE=Swebonny;48503109]It was worked for decades. It is the the mass immigration of sometimes poorly educated refugees from very different cultures that are making people upset.[/QUOTE] Welcome to immigration(why the fuck did I put education). Hopefully you'll avoid the pitfalls America has had.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;48503908]So, just because of these beggars, you are willing to accept the possibility of death penalty, limiting of abortion, forced Christianity in schools, limited gay rights, stopping the usage of solar cells and wind energy etc... ?[/QUOTE] Could you provide sources for all of those except the abortion part. I am compiling a list.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;48503908]So, just because of these beggars, you are willing to accept the [B]possibility of death penalty, limiting of abortion, forced Christianity in schools, limited gay rights, stopping the usage of solar cells and wind energy etc... [/B]?[/QUOTE] Quote me the bits in their political program where this actually shows up please because I'm pretty sure it doesn't The only shady thing I saw was the lack of mentioning gay marriage, but them "abolishing" that would cause a literal uprising and a hundred years of rioting.

Only anti-LGBT thing i read in their party program is that they don't want to let gay couples adopt, which is pretty fucking shitty, but saying they will reinstate death penalty and force christianity into schools sounds a bit far fetched.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;48505153]Quote me the bits in their political program where this actually shows up please because I'm pretty sure it doesn't The only shady thing I saw was the lack of mentioning gay marriage, but them "abolishing" that would cause a literal uprising and a hundred years of rioting.[/QUOTE] Should have clarified that it's just what their politicians have said. Björn Söder and death penalty is something everyone probably know of. Abortion [URL]http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/lakarkritik-mot-sankt-abortgrans/[/URL] Christianity [URL]https://www.interasistmen.se/granskning/sd-politiker-infor-ca-20-minuters-obligatorisk-kristen-morgonbon-i-skolan/[/URL] Gays [URL]http://www.svd.se/sd-politiker-homosexualitet-ar-orent[/URL] [URL]http://expo.se/2014/sd-ordforande-fram-med-steriliseringstvang_6492.html[/URL] Solar cells and windpower: [URL]http://miljoaktuellt.idg.se/2.1845/1.593885/riksdagsledamot-i-debatt--solceller-ar-dumheter[/URL] These are SD politcians. Their views [B]should[/B] represent the view of the party shouldn't it? [editline]21st August 2015[/editline] I mean yeah, of course their program is clean as fuck. I'd vote for them if they just altered tiny bits of it. But then you look up the SD politicians and see what they write on Twitter, on blogs, their comments on forums, and in many cases it's completely fucked up stuff that doesn't reflect their program at all. [editline]21st August 2015[/editline] This is also a fun thing. The proud and nationalistic SD waving the Israeli flag after their election. [IMG]https://bjorkbloggen.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/sd-22.jpg[/IMG] Such a weird party. It pulls so much weird stuff that the program doesn't mean crap.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;48505153]Quote me the bits in their political program where this actually shows up please because I'm pretty sure it doesn't The only shady thing I saw was the lack of mentioning gay marriage, but them "abolishing" that would cause a literal uprising and a hundred years of rioting.[/QUOTE] I did [url=http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=2719308]some[/URL] [URL=http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=2719308]googling[/URL] and they apparently changed their stance on the death penalty in [I]'98[/I], while some party members still are of the opinion that it should be introduced. You can see their official stance on it [url=https://sd.se/var-politik/var-politik-a-till-o/]here[/URL]. The gay marriage thing also seems to be bogus: [url]https://sd.se/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/principprogrammet2014_webb.pdf[/url] (page 25). Their stance is basically that it's up to each individual religious institution to decide whether to allow gay marriage or not, which is kind of ambiguous. I only found dead ends and biased sources on the christianity thing, unfortunately. [editline]21st August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Swebonny;48505626]Should have clarified that it's just what their politicians have said. Björn Söder and death penalty is something everyone probably know of. Abortion [URL]http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/lakarkritik-mot-sankt-abortgrans/[/URL] Christianity [URL]https://www.interasistmen.se/granskning/sd-politiker-infor-ca-20-minuters-obligatorisk-kristen-morgonbon-i-skolan/[/URL] Gays [URL]http://www.svd.se/sd-politiker-homosexualitet-ar-orent[/URL] [URL]http://expo.se/2014/sd-ordforande-fram-med-steriliseringstvang_6492.html[/URL] Solar cells and windpower: [URL]http://miljoaktuellt.idg.se/2.1845/1.593885/riksdagsledamot-i-debatt--solceller-ar-dumheter[/URL] These are SD politcians. Their views [B]should[/B] represent the view of the party shouldn't it? [/QUOTE] They should. I haven't kept up to date with them recently but I do remember some key members to be very shady.

Like reading their party program on page 25 as you linked: [QUOTE] Trakasserier och förföljelse av någon människa på basis av dennes sexuella läggning är förkastligt och skall bestraffas hårt.[/QUOTE] Björn Söder said in 2007: "Vad är det som säger att den s k normaliseringen slutar med att bi- homo- och transpersoner skall normaliseras? Varför inte personer som begår tidelag (sex med djur) eller pedofili? Dessa sexuella avarter är inte normala och kommer aldrig att vara normala." And on his blog: "Registrerat partnerskap för homosexuella skall ej tillåtas då samhället inte skall uppmuntra till homosexualtitet. " Wut?

Excellent opinion piece on this: [url]http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/08/the-anti-immigration-sweden-democrats-are-now-the-no1-party-in-sweden-polls-show/[/url]

[QUOTE=Swebonny;48506129]Like reading their party program on page 25 as you linked: Björn Söder said in 2007: "Vad är det som säger att den s k normaliseringen slutar med att bi- homo- och transpersoner skall normaliseras? Varför inte personer som begår tidelag (sex med djur) eller pedofili? Dessa sexuella avarter är inte normala och kommer aldrig att vara normala." And on his blog: "Registrerat partnerskap för homosexuella skall ej tillåtas då samhället inte skall uppmuntra till homosexualtitet. " Wut?[/QUOTE] Could you link the blog entry?

[QUOTE=DeEz;48506200]Could you link the blog entry?[/QUOTE] [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20030327172425/http://www.bjornsoder.net/[/url]

[QUOTE=Swebonny;48506129]Like reading their party program on page 25 as you linked: Björn Söder said in 2007: "Vad är det som säger att den s k normaliseringen slutar med att bi- homo- och transpersoner skall normaliseras? Varför inte personer som begår tidelag (sex med djur) eller pedofili? Dessa sexuella avarter är inte normala och kommer aldrig att vara normala." And on his blog: "Registrerat partnerskap för homosexuella skall ej tillåtas då samhället inte skall uppmuntra till homosexualtitet. " Wut?[/QUOTE] Björn Söder is like the biggest political turn-off, he's a fucking whacko and they need to kick him off

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;48506345]Björn Söder is like the biggest political turn-off, he's a fucking whacko and they need to kick him off[/QUOTE] Hah yeah, many of the SD top politicians are quite respectable and completely normal people. Then in comes Björn Söder with his opinons and stances that completely diverts from the party's program. I think they made him a vice-talman just to make him have less influence in SD :v:

[QUOTE=Swebonny;48506438]Hah yeah, many of the SD top politicians are quite respectable and completely normal people. Then in comes Björn Söder with his opinons and stances that completely diverts from the party's program. I think they made him a vice-talman just to make him have less influence in SD :v:[/QUOTE] I am worried to as why they don't just kick him out on the street, do they agree with him and dont see his opinions as something problematic and harmful to the reputation of the sweden democrats? that's what greatly concerns me.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;48506251][url]http://web.archive.org/web/20030327172425/http://www.bjornsoder.net/[/url][/QUOTE] Thanks. I think I have enough to form an up-to-date opinion of them for the time being.

These guys legitimately reek of Swedish-UKIP. Essentially running on a single policy ("ewww brown people "), and trying to save face in spite of their membership holding massively bigoted and retarded views. Fuck right wing populists. They don't even start the debate on topics immigration. They just fuel misinformation and hatred.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;48508574]These guys legitimately reek of Swedish-UKIP. Essentially running on a single policy ("ewww brown people "), and trying to save face in spite of their membership holding massively bigoted and retarded views. Fuck right wing populists. They don't even start the debate on topics immigration. They just fuel misinformation and hatred.[/QUOTE] I find often quite the opposite, that the left wing never wants to really discuss the issue, but just calling them names like "racists", "neo-facists", "nazis" and other things, it really isn't benefitting their side and they just come off as rather inept. If they want to discuss things with the Sweden Democrats then they should invite them to discussion instead of making smug faces at their arguments and statments before ignoring every single word they said and just repeat some overused reply of how the Sweden Democrats hate black people or something.

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;48504333]SD's general stance on LGBT people is A+ "We have nothing against non-straight and transgendered people, we just think they're disgusting degenerates s'all" And among many, many, other things, their bible belt tier "we need to teach our children Christian family values and morals!" garbage Yeah our current immigration policies are completely retarded, but it seems like SD's main goal is to build a time machine that leads back into the 1930's Åkesson's #Borninthewronggeneration[/QUOTE] I think you're being overly dramatic.

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;48508591]I find often quite the opposite, that the left wing never wants to really discuss the issue, but just calling them names like "racists", "neo-facists", "nazis" and other things, it really isn't benefitting their side and they just come off as rather inept. If they want to discuss things with the Sweden Democrats then they should invite them to discussion instead of making smug faces at their arguments and statments before ignoring every single word they said and just repeat some overused reply of how the Sweden Democrats hate black people or something.[/QUOTE] People generally call those who rant and rave about immigration racist because they're being fucking racists, not because "the left is weak lol". A lot of people who genuinely believe that immigration needs halting are usually unaware of the reality of the thing (hint: it's much, much better than the media would have you believe), and usually only care about the darker skinned immigrants coming in, never complaining about lighter skinned immigrants because, well I'm sure you can work it out. Most of the time when I see people complaining about immigration they don't even consider alternative solutions (the ones actually pushed by "the left" (along with most other reasonable people)) such as attempting to improve integration (a major cause of distrust and negative feelings against immigrants), education and so forth. Rather than just locking the whole fucking place down. But none of that is important. From what I've seen and what I hear from people who actually want to vote for SD, immigration is the only policy they talk about generally and the only policy their possible voters seem to care about. Almost a 1:1 mapping to UKIP minus the Thunderbird puppet of a leader. Single issue parties are complete shite and are in no way something you want running your country. It's short sighted and close minded.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;48500094]It's current status is basically anyone from anywhere with or without a background is permitted to enter, live and work in the country until they're given permission to stay. If they don't get to stay, they get sent home. However, this is becoming increasingly rare and more people are getting to stay then are getting sent home. Combine this with a housing and work problem, and you've set yourself up for a disaster waiting to happen. That's why people want change. Something is wrong when [URL="http://www.scb.se/Pages/SSD/SSD_SelectVariables.aspx?id=340507&rxid=e36117ed-7b10-4498-bd5f-cb965c303fea&px_tableid=ssd_extern%3aUtlSvBakgTot"]15% of the population[/URL] is born abroad, and literally [URL="http://www.migrationsinfo.se/migration/sverige/"]hundreds of thousands more[/URL] are statistically likely to immigrate. in the coming years.[/QUOTE] 15% is only 2% higher than the US. Is there a specific group of immigrants you would want quotas placed on? Would you prefer immigrants to have a higher skillset such as college education? For example, would you prioritize a Korean immigrant with a masters in Mathematics over a Pakistani immigrant with no education at all?

[QUOTE=hexpunK;48509036]People generally call those who rant and rave about immigration racist because they're being fucking racists, not because "the left is weak lol". A lot of people who genuinely believe that immigration needs halting are usually unaware of the reality of the thing (hint: it's much, much better than the media would have you believe), and usually only care about the darker skinned immigrants coming in, never complaining about lighter skinned immigrants because, well I'm sure you can work it out. Most of the time when I see people complaining about immigration they don't even consider alternative solutions (the ones actually pushed by "the left" (along with most other reasonable people)) such as attempting to improve integration (a major cause of distrust and negative feelings against immigrants), education and so forth. Rather than just locking the whole fucking place down. But none of that is important. From what I've seen and what I hear from people who actually want to vote for SD, immigration is the only policy they talk about generally and the only policy their possible voters seem to care about. Almost a 1:1 mapping to UKIP minus the Thunderbird puppet of a leader. Single issue parties are complete shite and are in no way something you want running your country. It's short sighted and close minded.[/QUOTE] Are you kidding me? The situation in Sweden is terrible. People don't want immigration to be gone completely, they want mass immigration to stop. Sweden doesn't have the housing, resources, jobs, or the money to keep bringing hundreds of thousands of immigrants into the nation. 20 People are being cramped into small apartments for heaven's sake! Not to mention this leads to crime and poverty, and the infamous No Go zones. The issue in Sweden with immigration is very real, the nation can't take much more people. But anyone who speaks about the issue is labeled as a racist or a Nazi. Its not because "ewwww brown ppl" its because "holy fuck theres too many people we are taking in and me and many other people can't find housing"

[QUOTE=EdvardSchnitz;48509154] and the infamous No Go zones.[/QUOTE] There are no "No-go" zones. The article was from some right-wing site and made it up from a police report about crime.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;48509179]There are no "No-go" zones. The article was from some right-wing site and made it up from a police report about crime.[/QUOTE] You sure about that? I actually looked over the police report because i was quite shocked

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;48509728]You sure about that? I actually looked over the police report because i was quite shocked[/QUOTE] [URL]https://polisen.se/Global/www och Intrapolis/Rapporter-utredningar/01 Polisen nationellt/Ovriga rapporter-utredningar/Kriminella natverk med stor paverkan i lokalsamhallet Sekretesspr 14.pdf[/URL] [QUOTE][B]I Sverige finns i nuläget 55 geografiska områden där lokala kriminella nätverk anses ha negativ påverkan på lokalsamhället.[/B] Områdena är fördelade över 22 städer – från storstäder till mindre orter och anses vara socioekonomiskt utsatta. Det stora kriminella genomslaget på lokalsamhället förefaller vara knutet till den sociala kontexten i områ- dena snarare än på en vilja hos de kriminella att ta makten och kontrollen över lokalsamhället. De kriminella aktörerna i områdena tycks inte ingå i strukturerade gäng utan snarare i löst sammansatta nätverk med bred förankring i ungdomsmiljön. De bedöms generellt ha låg strategisk förmåga. Det finns dock några undantag i storstadsområdena, där ett fåtal nätverk beskrivs som mer strukturerade och anses besitta en högre strategisk förmåga.[/QUOTE] So basically 55 areas where the local crime network is deemed to affect those areas negatively. [QUOTE]Utveckling i områdena har medfört svårigheter att utreda brott. Polisen har även i andra avseenden svårt att arbeta i dessa områden, bland annat på grund av att omgivningen reagerar mot Polisen vid ingripanden eller genom att angripa Polisens fordon. Polisens svårigheter med att stävja de nämnda problemen kan vara en bidragande faktor till att allmänheten i flera fall uppfattar det som att det är de kriminella som styr i områ- dena. En sådan uppfattning kan ifrågasatta Polisens roll som garant för trygghet, och på sikt minskar allmänhetens benägenhet att vända sig till Polisen. Situationen i dessa områden är bekymmersam och har i flera fall medfört att Polisen inte kunnat fullgöra sin uppgift.[/QUOTE] And it has caused the police to have a hard time working there. I guess you have to define no-go zones. If we look at the Wikipedia pages, it is definitely something that doesn't sound like what our Polis is talking about. Although it's still quite a shitty situation in those 55 areas. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-go_area[/URL]