Whites to become minority in Metro Vancouver by 2031 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40115010]simply playing devils advocate here, why is that a defining characteristic of white pride only? isn't all racial pride for the benefit of that particular race, and not others?[/QUOTE] Pretty much all white pride groups have been extremely racist, and there is really isn't a need for "white pride" since pretty much everything in western society is inherently positive for white people. The reason pride groups form is a way to deal with injustices dealt to that group. There really haven't been injustices dealt to white people, not anything like black people or women. Also using a cross for white pride is extremely bad taste.

[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;40115046]Well that sucks for them then. I don't go to china, or any other country and then bitch at them, and expect them to pander/change everything for me because I haven't bothered to learn their language.[/QUOTE] who says most of these people are bitching or expecting anyone to pander? i'm sure most people who come to a country want to learn the language, it is just that they weren't born fortunate enough to have been given the opportunity prior to coming to that country? if you were uneducated and impovershed and saw that going to china meant that you could provide for yourself better, wouldn't you want to go even if you didn't know chinese? also what happened to "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free," i know it's a phrase written into the statue of liberty, and sorta an american thing, but i thought canada would have an ideal of being accepting of foreigners as well.

[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;40115046]Well that sucks for them then. I don't go to china, or any other country and then bitch at them, and expect them to pander/change everything for me because I haven't bothered to learn their language.[/QUOTE] There's a lot of people who [B]live[/B] here (read: not just visiting or w/e) and they simply refuse to learn English (even when they've lived here for 10+ [I]years[/I]). They usually have relatives who translate for them into whatever, but they never pick up the language at all. It's made possible because there's so many other immigrants here who also speak their language and they usually have some sort of foreign-themed business (eg. Polish deli or an Asian sushi place, sushi is especially popular here).

There are plenty of ups and downs to being a melting pot of ethnicity. When you have so many immigrants coming from different countries it really drowns out Canadian culture. I mean it's really depressing to think about what defines Canadian culture because we really don't have a whole lot besides the whole joke stereotype of "Maple syrup, lumberjacks, and we're really nice".

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40115036]all other "prides" have come about as a resistance to white pride. i don't see the point in being "proud" of your skin color, race, or heritage since you had no control over those things. however, it's absolutely ignorant to say that white pride can be equated with black pride in any way when black pride arose in an environment where whites were oppressing them. it was turning yourself from being depressed and disenfranchised, to empowered and angry.[/QUOTE] That and their particular 'group' (though it may be wrong to categorize it that way) has pride in a struggle to overcome adversity. What comparable experience can Whites as a group (myself included) claim to have had? What hardships have Whites had to struggle against on the basis of being White?

"White pride", by its textbook meaning, isn't racist. However, it has a negative connotation due to infamous groups that used it as a slogan to promote racial inequality.

[QUOTE=Valnar;40115062]Pretty much all white pride groups have been extremely racist, and there is really not a need for "white pride" since pretty much everything in western society is inherently positive for white people. The reason pride groups form is a way to deal with injustices dealt to that group. There really haven't been injustices dealt to white people, not anything like black people or women. Also using a cross for white pride is extremely bad taste.[/QUOTE] still seems silly to me i totally understand there's just an inherit layer of hypocrisy in the thought process

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;40115068]There's a lot of people who [B]live[/B] here (read: not just visiting or w/e) and they simply refuse to learn English. They usually have relatives who translate for them into whatever, but they never pick up the language at all.[/QUOTE] So true. It's really aggravating that people are even able to get citizenships here without being able to speak basic english/french. I get people constantly who just walk onto public transit without paying fare, and then when the bus driver bitches at them they pull the whole "I don't no English" thing.

Really bizarre thread. I live in Hong Kong, where I guess the majority of immigrants to Vancouver come from. Hong Kong people can speak English, have money, want the best for their children, so what's the problem? Vancouver's rise as something of a world city took place concurrently with a massive influx of immigration there. It was kind of a backwater prior to the 1980s and foreign investment i.e. Li Ka-shing's redevelopment of the Expo 86 lands helped fuel redevelopment of the city. Sure you're welcome to have whatever valid concerns you have but cut it out with xenophobic shit like whinging about people who "immediately start complaining that stop signs aren't in chinese."

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40115079]still seems silly to me i totally understand there's just an inherit layer of hypocrisy in the thought process[/QUOTE] It really just goes back to what megafan said a few posts up. White people haven't had the same struggles, especially in the last hundred or so years.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40115067]who says most of these people are bitching or expecting anyone to pander? i'm sure most people who come to a country want to learn the language, it is just that they weren't born fortunate enough to have been given the opportunity prior to coming to that country? if you were uneducated and impovershed and saw that going to china meant that you could provide for yourself better, wouldn't you want to go even if you didn't know chinese? also what happened to "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free," i know it's a phrase written into the statue of liberty, and sorta an american thing, but i thought canada would have an ideal of being accepting of foreigners as well.[/QUOTE] we're more multicultural than america IIRC from my statistics class there is an element of "pander to us" but it's not large enough to be a focus of any argument

[QUOTE=Chocolate.;40115072]There are plenty of ups and downs to being a melting pot of ethnicity. When you have so many immigrants coming from different countries it really drowns out Canadian culture. I mean it's really depressing to think about what defines Canadian culture because we really don't have a whole lot besides the whole joke stereotype of "Maple syrup, lumberjacks, and we're really nice".[/QUOTE] Maple syrup really only applies to Toronto/Ontario and Montreal/Quebec. Vancouver is a lot bigger on hockey, and lumberjacking/cutting trees isn't very welcome here because it's a lot more forested than other bits of Canada. Honestly Vancouver never had any real culture to lose in the first place. Being a resident here my whole life, I can tell you that absolutely nothing notable has happened besides two riots over hockey games and the Olypmics (I don't even know why they hosted them here)

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;40114953]What do you mean "we"? You don't live in Vancouver.[/QUOTE] Global economic system.

[QUOTE=Valnar;40115092]It really just goes back to what megafan said a few posts up. White people haven't had the same struggles, especially in the last hundred or so years.[/QUOTE] that's true for sure but oppression doesn't last forever, and many groups are becoming less and less oppressed as we move forward in time how long are they allowed to be prideful of their colour and race? is their a line? or will they forever be able to be prideful?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40115104]Global economic system.[/QUOTE] We don't produce anything here besides video games, lumber, and shitty bridges.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40115079]still seems silly to me i totally understand there's just an inherit layer of hypocrisy in the thought process[/QUOTE] take a look at those flags. the mestizo, black, and female pride flags all incorporate the "raised fist", a near universal symbol for resistance or defiance. these ideas rise out of a need for solidarity and resistance to white oppression. put simply, blacks needed to be proud because whites were very busy stripping them of pride whenever they could.

[QUOTE=Chocolate.;40115072]There are plenty of ups and downs to being a melting pot of ethnicity. When you have so many immigrants coming from different countries it really drowns out Canadian culture. I mean it's really depressing to think about what defines Canadian culture because we really don't have a whole lot besides the whole joke stereotype of "Maple syrup, lumberjacks, and we're really nice".[/QUOTE] If people like the culture they will keep it alive. A culture should have merits to live on in the face of competing cultures.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;40115078]"White pride", by its textbook meaning, isn't racist. However, it has a negative connotation due to infamous groups that used it as a slogan to promote racial inequality.[/QUOTE] The only reason people see white pride as "wrong and racist" is because some white pride groups are. But not all are. People say shit like "NEVER SAY ALL BLACKS ARE BAD, THAT'S GENERALIZING THEM ALL AS BAD, NOT ALL ARE BAD" but when it comes to white pride groups (similar to black pride groups) "THEY'RE ALL RACIST, REDNECKS, ETC"

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;40115111]We don't produce anything here besides video games, lumber, and shitty bridges.[/QUOTE] Still part of the global economic system mate. The lumber gets exported, as do the video games. The bridges probably not, if they sound shitty.

[QUOTE=laval;40115088]Really bizarre thread. I live in Hong Kong, where I guess the majority of immigrants to Vancouver come from. Hong Kong people can speak English, have money, want the best for their children, so what's the problem? Vancouver's rise as something of a world city took place concurrently with a massive influx of immigration there. It was kind of a backwater prior to the 1980s and foreign investment i.e. Li Ka-shing's redevelopment of the Expo 86 lands helped fuel redevelopment of the city. Sure you're welcome to have whatever valid concerns you have but cut it out with xenophobic shit like whinging about people who "immediately start complaining that stop signs aren't in chinese."[/QUOTE] There are people who complain the city isn't set up for them. This isn't a myth. That's a fact of people in new areas anywhere. it's just not highly common amongst reasonable people. Here, it's not terribly common. Come to the city, live here, etc, just don't cause our housing prices to jump up artificially even more

[QUOTE=Episode;40115118]The only reason people see white pride as "wrong and racist" is because some white pride groups are. But not all are. People say shit like "NEVER SAY ALL BLACKS ARE BAD, THAT'S GENERALIZING THEM ALL AS BAD, NOT ALL ARE BAD" but when it comes to white pride groups (similar to black pride groups) "THEY'RE ALL RACIST, REDNECKS, ETC"[/QUOTE] can you find ANY white pride group that is not racist?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40115113]take a look at those flags. the mestizo, black, and female pride flags all incorporate the "raised fist", a near universal symbol for resistance or defiance. these ideas rise out of a need for solidarity and resistance to white oppression. put simply, blacks needed to be proud because whites were very busy stripping them of pride whenever they could.[/QUOTE] I get that, i'm just curious how far into the future does this unequal version of equality last

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;40114964]Vancouver sucks to be honest, it's nothing but jewelry and clothing shops. We're starved for jobs here, and education is absurdly expensive. Pretty much just stagnating.[/QUOTE] Immigration helps the economy to grow.

any website or forum? is there an /r/whitepridenotracist subreddit? [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40115124]I get that, i'm just curious how far into the future does this unequal version of equality last[/QUOTE] until equality is reached.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40115128]any website or forum? is there an /r/whitepridenotracist subreddit? [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] until equality is reached.[/QUOTE] who determines that?

[QUOTE=Episode;40115118]The only reason people see white pride as "wrong and racist" is because some white pride groups are. But not all are. People say shit like "NEVER SAY ALL BLACKS ARE BAD, THAT'S GENERALIZING THEM ALL AS BAD, NOT ALL ARE BAD" but when it comes to white pride groups (similar to black pride groups) "THEY'RE ALL RACIST, REDNECKS, ETC"[/QUOTE] You really should have picked a better flag to use as an example for white pride. Crosses and white pride have a very dubious history.

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;40115111]We don't produce anything here besides video games, lumber, and shitty bridges.[/QUOTE] we also(used) to be one of the largest film producing areas in the world thanks christie clark

[QUOTE=Valnar;40115153]You really should have picked a better flag to use as an example for white pride. Crosses and white pride have a very dubious history.[/QUOTE] That's not what matters.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40115123]can you find ANY white pride group that is not racist?[/QUOTE] mine

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40115127]Immigration helps the economy to grow.[/QUOTE] My old high school was suppose to get an extension nearly ten years ago and they just started work on it this year (since classes are now pushing 35 kids in what should be a 20 kid class). There is no real economy here, all the prices are inflated to hell and everything is over crowded - we aren't a super dense city, most of 'Vancouver' is suburbs and a downtown. Immigration would be a fantastic solution to a lot of problems if we actually had anywhere for them to go or anything for them to do, but there simply isn't. There is no cheap housing, there is no room for their kids in schools, and there are no jobs for entry-level workers (good luck getting an education without having to pay off loans for the rest of your life).