Whites to become minority in Metro Vancouver by 2031 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Episode;40115164]That's not what matters.[/QUOTE] It kinda does. You're trying to argue that white pride isn't necessarily racist. But the example flag you showed evokes imagery from the KKK.

When people like Stormfront and the KKK say 'white pride' they actually mean 'white supremacy', and that's usually why people have a problem with the term. Although granted, showing pride in any race is a bit stupid to me, I can understand interest in a culture or racial history, but pride?

This thread is a huge example of dog-whistle racism, why exactly is a city in Canada becoming more cosmopolitan in 20 years a bad thing, because they hope for a better future their country is unable to provide? fuck off

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40115163]we also(used) to be one of the largest film producing areas in the world thanks christie clark[/QUOTE] Now there's some dumb fee that prevents this, honestly I don't remember what it was exactly but film making here isn't cheap anymore.

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;40115068]There's a lot of people who [B]live[/B] here (read: not just visiting or w/e) and they simply refuse to learn English (even when they've lived here for 10+ [I]years[/I]). They usually have relatives who translate for them into whatever, but they never pick up the language at all. It's made possible because there's so many other immigrants here who also speak their language and they usually have some sort of foreign-themed business (eg. Polish deli or an Asian sushi place, sushi is especially popular here).[/QUOTE] They should have to learn english then. It isn't destroying their own culture or their own native language, They can still teach their kids their language and shit. The only thing they're doing is making things difficult for people.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40115140]who determines that?[/QUOTE] no one person can determine when equality is reached. no group can really determine it either. there are so many facets to equality that it is incredibly hard to tell when a group becomes equal. it is generally easier to see oppression than equality anyways. equality is subtle, it is discreet, you don't really notice when you are on equal footing with another person. it is easier to identify oppression and when groups have unequal relationships then vow to fight against it until you can eventually dismantle it. so i guess long story short, black pride will no longer be needed when it is no longer useful for blacks to try and fight an oppressive system.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;40115192]This thread is a huge example of dog-whistle racism, why exactly is a city in Canada becoming more cosmopolitan in 20 years a bad thing, because they hope for a better future their country is unable to provide? fuck off[/QUOTE] It's not a bad thing, it's just that Vancouver is a terrible place for it.

[QUOTE=Episode;40115164]That's not what matters.[/QUOTE] symbolism certainly does matter when dealing with racial and cultural problems of inequality, oppression, and privilege.

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;40115180]My old high school was suppose to get an extension nearly ten years ago and they just started work on it this year (since classes are now pushing 35 kids in what should be a 20 kid class). There is no real economy here, all the prices are inflated to hell and everything is over crowded - we aren't a super dense city, most of 'Vancouver' is suburbs and a downtown. Immigration would be a fantastic solution to a lot of problems if we actually had anywhere for them to go or anything for them to do, but there simply isn't. There is no cheap housing, there is no room for their kids in schools, and there are no jobs for entry-level workers (good luck getting an education without having to pay off loans for the rest of your life).[/QUOTE] the local education is some of the most stressed there is. you hit the nail on the head pretty well we have a highly suburbanized area and not enough high rises and expansion going on. More immigration just pushes locals further and further from the city and creates highly dense pockets of immigrants. There's areas in Richmond and Delta that are already full of immigrants that locals have trouble. It's just not balanced at all.

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;40115205]It's not a bad thing, it's just that Vancouver is a terrible place for it.[/QUOTE] And where is a good place? Out of sight and out of mind so people don't need to have their castles of sand challenged?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40115204]no one person can determine when equality is reached. no group can really determine it either. there are so many facets to equality that it is incredibly hard to tell when a group becomes equal. it is generally easier to see oppression than equality anyways. equality is subtle, it is discreet, you don't really notice when you are on equal footing with another person. it is easier to identify oppression and when groups have unequal relationships then vow to fight against it until you can eventually dismantle it. so i guess long story short, black pride will no longer be needed when it is no longer useful for blacks to try and fight an oppressive system.[/QUOTE] Might some oppressions now adays be imagined? I'm not saying this like i'm sure of this, I'm simply asking I find it a little hard to believe that in 2013, in most urbanized and educated areas, that black people are on equal footing with everyone else. maybe i'm just being optimistic.

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;40115180]My old high school was suppose to get an extension nearly ten years ago and they just started work on it this year (since classes are now pushing 35 kids in what should be a 20 kid class). There is no real economy here, all the prices are inflated to hell and everything is over crowded - we aren't a super dense city, most of 'Vancouver' is suburbs and a downtown. Immigration would be a fantastic solution to a lot of problems if we actually had anywhere for them to go or anything for them to do, but there simply isn't. There is no cheap housing, there is no room for their kids in schools, and there are no jobs for entry-level workers (good luck getting an education without having to pay off loans for the rest of your life).[/QUOTE] Sounds like there's mainly a problem with housing and poor facilities then. How has the government responded to this? Surely they must have addressed issues such as zoning regulations, the construction of new buildings, expansion of education establishments, etc.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;40115217]And where is a good place? Out of sight and out of mind so people don't need to have their castles of sand challenged?[/QUOTE] Uh you're putting more words in his mouth than make sense try saying an argument and not assuming he's a racist shit head. you might get somewhere

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40115214]the local education is some of the most stressed there is. you hit the nail on the head pretty well we have a highly suburbanized area and not enough high rises and expansion going on. More immigration just pushes locals further and further from the city and creates highly dense pockets of immigrants. There's areas in Richmond and Delta that are already full of immigrants that locals have trouble. It's just not balanced at all.[/QUOTE] Yeah, you've said it well. But of course instead of making homes and jobs, they're overhauling our "highway" (was 3 lane, now it's 2 lane because of construction everywhere) and in my area they're expanding a mall so they can cram even more jewelry and clothing stores in there. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;40115222]Sounds like there's mainly a problem with housing and poor facilities then. How has the government responded to this? Surely they must have addressed issues such as zoning regulations, the construction of new buildings, expansion of education establishments, etc.[/QUOTE] The government really doesn't care about us, the local is too busy with the highway and the brand new ~toll bridge~ (fucking $3 to cross [I]one way[/I]), and the federal gov't is way too busy making Ontario and Quebec cool places to live. [QUOTE=Lonestriper;40115217]And where is a good place? Out of sight and out of mind so people don't need to have their castles of sand challenged?[/QUOTE] Just take a glance at my other posts, Vancouver isn't a good place to live in general. Ontario and Quebec, again, are much better off then we are.

If the problem is urban planning why are you disenchanted with the fact more people will immigrate to Vancouver? shouldn't you be angry at the failure of your politicians and local government to respond to inevitable increases in population?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40115222]Sounds like there's mainly a problem with housing and poor facilities then. How has the government responded to this? Surely they must have addressed issues such as zoning regulations, the construction of new buildings, expansion of education establishments, etc.[/QUOTE] Buildings are going up, high rises and what not, mostly around the west end and downtown corridors but they won't be up for a little while yet and will again be the same over priced crap that is everything else. education in BC has been getting cut pretty steadily for the last few years. [editline]31st March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Lonestriper;40115233]If the problem is urban planning why are you disenchanted with the fact more people will immigrate to Vancouver? shouldn't you be angry at the failure of your politicians and local government to respond to inevitable increases in population?[/QUOTE] I can't really be mad at a planning decision that was made 25 years ago and has since changed everything we could have had today Jane Jacobs VS Sullivanism is an argument that had ended 25 years ago and resulted in today's city and suburbanized sprawl.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40115221]Might some oppressions now adays be imagined? I'm not saying this like i'm sure of this, I'm simply asking I find it a little hard to believe that in 2013, in most urbanized and educated areas, that black people are on equal footing with everyone else. maybe i'm just being optimistic.[/QUOTE] things you can look at to find signs of oppression [img]http://sg.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-BF886_COLLEG_NS_20100507192113.gif[/img] [img]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/photobylines/2011/3/7/1299522109315/Pay-gap-graphic-008.jpg[/img] [img]http://equityblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Poverty-Rates-by-Race.jpg[/img] i mean these don't necessarily point to specific causes, but they can help identify that there still is oppression and privilege in society and help narrow the search for causes.

The government in BC has been really unanimously shitty in the last 5 years so we as local citizens have every right to be mad nothing has been handled well and we've had to be the people paying for this shit and not receiving the benefits. HST and bridges, the film industry crash and the entertainment industry just saying "welp cya" to vancouver on tax credits alone

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;40115233]If the problem is urban planning why are you disenchanted with the fact more people will immigrate to Vancouver? shouldn't you be angry at the failure of your politicians and local government to respond to inevitable increases in population?[/QUOTE] The only thing our local gov't succeeds at is drunk driving.

[QUOTE=Episode;40114996][img]http://s14.postimg.org/4auaioqrl/1363843753020.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] hey there its tpain if you agree with this youre agreeing with neo-nazi rhetoric because that's what that symbol refers to dinojesus feast your eyes m8 [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=MIPS;40114778] We're kinda fucked now. We can't regulate who can live where due to human rights violations and without them the real estate market will collapse, potentially starting a domino effect as seen with the sub-prime scandal in the US (except up here people have crazy lines of credit) which would royally FUCK everything.[/QUOTE] "We can't regulate who can live where due to human rights violations" what am i reading ffs

Be careful of using anecdotal evidence in cases like this. It is anecdotal evidence that makes people take these things negatively. Look at the bigger picture. In Australia we're all about preventing people who don't look and talk like us from coming to our country. We had a whole political party for it only a decade ago. Beware transformation into a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Hanson#Maiden_speech"]Pauline Hanson:[/URL] "[I]I believe we are in danger of being swamped by Asians. Between 1984 and 1995, 40% of all migrants coming into this country were of Asian origin. They have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate. Of course, I will be called racist but, if I can invite whom I want into my home, then I should have the right to have a say in who comes into my country. A truly multicultural country can never be strong or united.[/I]" Thank goodness she lost her seat. It's scary she got into parliament at all. [editline]april[/editline] The leader of the federal opposition is also campaigning on the line of "Stop the boats" which refers to asylum seekers making dangerous boat journeys here. It is interesting that they claim this is about the safety of the people, but they keep referring to them as "illegals" when under international law they have every right to seek asylum here. They are playing of this idea of being swamped by foreign people. It's not good. Not that the current government is any better. This is a bit off topic. I'm just trying to say don't turn into an Australia, Canada, human beings are human beings. It's not like these people hate you.

[QUOTE=thisispain;40115293]hey there its tpain if you agree with this youre agreeing with neo-nazi rhetoric because that's what that symbol refers to dinojesus feast your eyes m8 [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] "We can't regulate who can live where due to human rights violations" what am i reading ffs[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.stormfront.org/images/header_p1-uc.jpg[/img] hey i knew that cross looked familiar

[quote] "I believe we are in danger of being swamped by Asians. Between 1984 and 1995, 40% of all migrants coming into this country were of Asian origin. They have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate. Of course, I will be called racist but, if I can invite whom I want into my home, then I should have the right to have a say in who comes into my country. A truly multicultural country can never be strong or united." [/quote] The problem with statements like these is that they assume a current trend will continue indefinitely. I mean, obviously because the birth rates of Arabs are higher than anyone else in Europe, we'll soon be living in Eurabia. Or that at the rate illegal immigrants are crossing the border, all of Mexico will be depopulated. I think my favorite example of this kind of fallacy was a study that predicted that we would consume every single fish in the ocean... several years ago.

it is part of the header of this wonderful website [url]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/[/url]

[QUOTE=gerbe1;40115303]Be careful of using anecdotal evidence in cases like this. It is anecdotal evidence that makes people take these things negatively. Look at the bigger picture. In Australia we're all about preventing people who don't look and talk like us from coming to our country. We had a whole political party for it only a decade ago. Beware transformation into a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Hanson#Maiden_speech"]Pauline Hanson:[/URL] "[I]I believe we are in danger of being swamped by Asians. Between 1984 and 1995, 40% of all migrants coming into this country were of Asian origin. They have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate. Of course, I will be called racist but, if I can invite whom I want into my home, then I should have the right to have a say in who comes into my country. A truly multicultural country can never be strong or united.[/I]" Thank goodness she lost her seat. It's scary she got into parliament at all.[/QUOTE] Somebody should tell her what happens to people who isolate themselves off from the rest of the world. On a small scale, you will get the pasty fat man in the basement. On a slightly bigger scale, an entire society regressing backwards.

[QUOTE=Paper Monkey;40115336]The problem with statements like these is that they assume a current trend will continue indefinitely. I mean, obviously because the birth rates of Arabs are higher than anyone else in Europe, we'll soon be living in Eurabia. Or that at the rate illegal immigrants are crossing the border, all of Mexico will be depopulated. I think my favorite example of this kind of fallacy was a study that predicted that we would consume every single fish in the ocean... several years ago.[/QUOTE] predictions are made on assumptions those assumptions, depending on who they're made by and the effort put into those assumptions can be right or wrong

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40115334][img]http://www.stormfront.org/images/header_p1-uc.jpg[/img] hey i knew that cross looked familiar[/QUOTE] its fucking disgusting and people have the nerve to dismiss feminists or other people who say sexism and racism is still a serious problem [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;40115339]Somebody should tell her what happens to people who isolate themselves off from the rest of the world.[/QUOTE] you get a japan. megafan recommended me this dope book if you care about this subject you should read it: [url]http://www.amazon.com/Shutting-Out-Sun-Generation-Departures/dp/1400077796[/url]

[QUOTE=Paper Monkey;40115336]The problem with statements like these is that they assume a current trend will continue indefinitely. I mean, obviously because the birth rates of Arabs are higher than anyone else in Europe, we'll soon be living in Eurabia. Or that at the rate illegal immigrants are crossing the border, all of Mexico will be depopulated. I think my favorite example of this kind of fallacy was a study that predicted that we would consume every single fish in the ocean... several years ago.[/QUOTE] Honestly, whites probably be a minority [I]before[/I] 2031 if Vancouver ever starts to suck less. Most of the population here is immigrants, and that's not an issue. IIRC, the birth rate isn't very high in BC, so we sort of need the immigration to happen.

the literal only legitimate complaint I know vancouverites have is just the lack of living space and with increased immigration, that is an actual problem

[QUOTE=thisispain;40115341] you get a japan. megafan recommended me this dope book if you care about this subject you should read it: [url]http://www.amazon.com/Shutting-Out-Sun-Generation-Departures/dp/1400077796[/url][/QUOTE] Same thing happened in a bunch of Pacific islands too when the Polynesians colonized them. Tasmania and Flinders island are two notable examples in that they became separated from the mainland, and whilst the Australian aborigines actually had a lot of technological innovation (relative to them), the Tasmanians actually regressed (being an island of a few thousand in the middle of the sea). Archaeological studies showed their diets gradually getting worse, with a decline in the use of bone tools and fish being alien to their diets.' Of course this is an extreme example, but countries that go for "self-sufficiency" or try to keep out people are fucking themselves in the long run.