Whites to become minority in Metro Vancouver by 2031 - Polidicks

As a person living in Vancouver I can say that it seems that this will be the case before 2031

[QUOTE=Episode;40114996][img]http://s14.postimg.org/4auaioqrl/1363843753020.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] the reason white pride isn't acceptable is that there's no coherent or well-defined "white culture". being white just means being fair skinned. there are a huge number of "white" nations and cultures, the only reason to lump those into one group is to be proud of your "white heritage", ie "i'm proud to not be colored". real "white pride" would be "hey i'm irish, irish culture is cool, i'm proud to be irish". nobody is going to give you shit for being proud of being irish or swedish or something, but when you say you're proud to be white you're basically just saying you're proud to be anything but a person of color. the only reason to associate yourself with "white pride" rather than something more specific to your heritage is to associate yourself with white supremacy.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;40115380]the reason white pride isn't acceptable is that there's no coherent or well-defined "white culture". being white just means being fair skinned. there are a huge number of "white" nations and cultures, the only reason to lump those into one group is to be proud of your "white heritage", ie "i'm proud to not be colored". real "white pride" would be "hey i'm irish, irish culture is cool, i'm proud to be irish". nobody is going to give you shit for being proud of being irish or swedish or something, but when you say you're proud to be white you're basically just saying you're proud to be anything but a person of color. the only reason to associate yourself with "white pride" rather than something more specific to your heritage is to associate yourself with white supremacy.[/QUOTE] Saying all black people or Asians are descendants of one culture is ignorant as fuck

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;40115398]Saying all black people or Asians are descendants of one culture is ignorant as fuck[/QUOTE] but there is a "black culture" in the usa considering whites segregated blacks regardless of their original homeland. whites separated blacks into their own group, and naturally a culture came from it.

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;40115398]Saying all black people or Asians are descendants of one culture is ignorant as fuck[/QUOTE] things kopimi never said

then it started to become cemented and built upon purposely when black consciousness started becoming a thing and blacks began to resist white oppression.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40115127]Immigration helps the economy to grow.[/QUOTE] Sort of a generic statement. There's obviously more to it than that.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40115411]but there is a "black culture" in the usa considering whites segregated blacks regardless of their original homeland. whites separated blacks into their own group, and naturally a culture came from it.[/QUOTE] In america maybe, but there's no such thing as a "black culture" in general, every Arican country has a somewhat different culture [QUOTE=thisispain;40115414]things kopimi never said[/QUOTE] He implied it very heavily

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;40115398]Saying all black people or Asians are descendants of one culture is ignorant as fuck[/QUOTE] yeah which is why i never said that lol asian / black culture are obviously extremely diverse but the point is that "white" culture is based nearly entirely on skin color and people just link these loosely affiliated fair skinned cultures together by skin color for the sake of promoting white pride. asian and african cultures are intrinsically linked by geography, language, and shared cultural traditions and practices. not only that, all of these non-white cultures and their associated pride movements are a response to the fact that western culture [B]is[/B] "white pride". you're already living in a white world so you have no reason other than some reactionary desire to promote white supremacy to fly the "white pride" flag

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40115257]things you can look at to find signs of oppression [img]http://sg.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-BF886_COLLEG_NS_20100507192113.gif[/img] [img]http://equityblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Poverty-Rates-by-Race.jpg[/img] i mean these don't necessarily point to specific causes, but they can help identify that there still is oppression and privilege in society and help narrow the search for causes.[/QUOTE] How does any of that directly equal oppression? "Oppression" sounds like a cop out instead of delving into the deeper issues.

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;40115439]In america maybe, but there's no such thing as a "black culture" in general, every Arican country has a somewhat different culture [/QUOTE] things have to be talked about in context, though. you can't just say "well there is no global black culture therefore black culture can't exist". kopimi was very obviously talking about western cultures. minority groups [i]do[/i] create their own cultures in society especially when oppressed. guess what happened in the usa?

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;40115439]In america maybe, but there's no such thing as a "black culture" in general, every Arican country has a somewhat different culture[/QUOTE] lol look african culture is crazy diverse and each african country has their own unique culture and traditions but pretending african culture isn't infinitely more coherent and tightly bound than "white" culture is just being purposefully misleading for the sake of pretending white pride is somehow on the same footing as black pride

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;40115398]Saying all black people or Asians are descendants of one culture is ignorant as fuck[/QUOTE] In some countries they kind of are forced to be. All the various people are lumped into "X culture". You have this brown guy who shakes maracas and lives in a tinpot banana, this darker brown guy who picks cotton, and this guy with the pointy hat who smokes opium. They come from 3 different continents and already the Americans have summarized those continents and grouped all those people into a separate culture. Hence "Black" pride because all the blacks have been lumped together like a moist bag of sugar. I've never heard of white pride before the modern era, and I've literally only heard it come from hicks and dipshits.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;40115452]How does any of that directly equal oppression? "Oppression" sounds like a cop out instead of delving into the deeper issues.[/QUOTE] deeper issues like what? unless you're completely unaware of american history and you think black people are genetically predisposed to unemployment it's pretty obvious why these are signs of oppression

[QUOTE=Aman VII;40115452]How does any of that directly equal oppression? "Oppression" sounds like a cop out instead of delving into the deeper issues.[/QUOTE] actually all those things are oppression by its very definition. these things are just not necessarily causes of oppression, they could be symptomatic.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;40115452]How does any of that directly equal oppression? "Oppression" sounds like a cop out instead of delving into the deeper issues.[/QUOTE] lol and what would those 'deeper issues' be

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;40115473]lol and what would those 'deeper issues' be[/QUOTE] "some people prefer to employ others based on their appearance"

yeah lets all turn this into a race debate in a thread about living space [B]lebensraum up in this hizzy [/B] racist jokes aside, this isn't a racial issue. There's no reason foriegners can't come here, and certainly not because they're foreigners. It's just how much strain there already is on a bloated market is really hurting the local people. I don't think this is a good thing but I really don't see this being racially motivated

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40115486]yeah lets all turn this into a race debate in a thread about living space [B]lebensraum up in this hizzy [/B] racist jokes aside, this isn't a racial issue. There's no reason foriegners can't come here, and certainly not because they're foreigners. It's just how much strain there already is on a bloated market is really hurting the local people. I don't think this is a good thing but I really don't see this being racially motivated[/QUOTE] this is a thread about whites becoming a minority. this was doomed to be about racism and "reverse-racism" from the start

to let you people think about whenever or not this article is race-related, imagine this: for a short period of time in the city, birth rates explode whilst death rates decline, with migration remaining stagnant how different would this article be?

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;40115439] He implied it very heavily[/QUOTE] no he didnt imply it at all you jumped to it for an easy response

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40115504]to let you people think about whenever or not this article is race-related, imagine this: for a short period of time in the city, birth rates explode whilst death rates decline, with migration remaining stagnant how different would this article be?[/QUOTE] the article that states "things to stay the same despite nothing to stop them staying the same"? that would probably have never been written or published

[QUOTE=Kopimi;40115467]deeper issues like what? unless you're completely unaware of american history and you think black people are genetically predisposed to unemployment it's pretty obvious why these are signs of oppression[/QUOTE] How does black people having higher rates of unemployment = them being oppressed? Black poverty has many contributing factors it's not just as simple as saying the white man did it. poverty which encompasses poor education, poor living conditions, poor parenting, etc. It's a self perpetuating cycle of poverty and crime. It's not like they are that way purely because they are black, it is just the societal position they've entered. Throughout history there's always been the impoverished minority in every country. These minorities have often became scapegoats on the shallow assumption that it is their race, religion, nationality, which is causing them to be like that but it's more than skin deep. I think the whole "rapper/gangsta" culture doesn't help them at all either, where idolizing being a piece of shit and a criminal is held as the pinnacle of success. All of this societal and economic shit is intertwined and related to one and other. Now we can argue whether or not and what to degree oppression exists and if the oppression is part of the cause of the poverty but I really don't think the issue of black poverty is as simple as saying the white man did it on purpose.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;40115527]How does black people having higher rates of unemployment = them being oppressed? Black poverty has many contributing factors it's not just as simple as saying the white man did it. poverty which encompasses poor education, poor living conditions, poor parenting, etc. It's a self perpetuating cycle of poverty and crime. It's not like they are that way purely because they are black, it is just the societal position they've entered. Throughout history there's always been the impoverished minority in every country. These minorities have often became scapegoats on the shallow assumption that it is their race, religion, nationality, which is causing them to be like that but it's more than skin deep.[/QUOTE] oh man you're so close i mean really you're just so close to figuring it out you're definitely onto something with all that poverty, education, living conditions stuff.. now think.. how did it get to be that black people were disproportionately subject to poverty, poor education and poor living conditions? [QUOTE=Aman VII;40115527]I think the whole "rapper/gangsta" culture doesn't help them at all either, where idolizing being a piece of shit and a criminal is held as the pinnacle of success.[/QUOTE] ooooooohh ehhhhhh boy probably shouldn't say stuff like that you were doing so well

[QUOTE=Aman VII;40115527]How does black people having higher rates of unemployment = them being oppressed? Black poverty has many contributing factors it's not just as simple as saying the white man did it. poverty which encompasses poor education, poor living conditions, poor parenting, etc. It's a self perpetuating cycle of poverty and crime. It's not like they are that way purely because they are black, it is just the societal position they've entered. Throughout history there's always been the impoverished minority in every country. These minorities have often became scapegoats on the shallow assumption that it is their race, religion, nationality, which is causing them to be like that but it's more than skin deep.[/QUOTE] i cant help but think youre insulting kopimi's intelligence with this response youre basically agreeing with him [QUOTE=Aman VII;40115527]I think the whole "rapper/gangsta" culture doesn't help them at all either, where idolizing being a piece of shit and a criminal is held as the pinnacle of success.[/QUOTE] rapper and "gangsta" has nothing to do with being a piece of shit thats really offensive

[QUOTE=thisispain;40115538] rapper and "gangsta" has nothing to do with being a piece of shit thats really offensive[/QUOTE] You understand what I mean I think you're just purposely looking past what I'm saying.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;40115527]How does black people having higher rates of unemployment = them being oppressed? Black poverty has many contributing factors it's not just as simple as saying the white man did it. poverty which encompasses poor education, poor living conditions, poor parenting, etc. It's a self perpetuating cycle of poverty and crime. It's not like they are that way purely because they are black, it is just the societal position they've entered. Throughout history there's always been the impoverished minority in every country. These minorities have often became scapegoats on the shallow assumption that it is their race, religion, nationality, which is causing them to be like that but it's more than skin deep.[/quote] but these are all examples of oppression? oppression doesn't always mean that there is some maniacal white person twirling his moustache thinking about how he is going to oppress the colored people. stop looking at the world so narrowly. oppression comes in many different forms and with many different causes. [quote]I think the whole "rapper/gangsta" culture doesn't help them at all either, where idolizing being a piece of shit and a criminal is held as the pinnacle of success.[/QUOTE] have you ever thought that was a reflection of culture? i mean it wasn't like gangs came about as soon as nwa started rapping about it. and idolization of crime is very common in american culture anyways. oceans movies? al capone? scarface? if i had to give an overly complicated explanation i would like to think people see a broken system and like to watch underdogs fuck that system and reap the benefits from it.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;40115544]You understand what I mean I think you're just purposely looking past what I'm saying.[/QUOTE] not really, it sounds like what you mean is that black people worship rappers / gangsters and apparently rappers / gangsters are terrible people i'm not sure what else you could have meant

I don't get the attitudes in this thread, especially from fellow Canadians. ESPECIALLY fellow Canadians living in motherfucking British Columbia. What I see here is a clear implication that looking at a person's skin colour or country of birth will tell you their worth to society, their political leanings, their ability to speak and write in english, and their intelligence or supposed benevolence/malevolence. I am a first generation Canadian immigrant from India. My family came here because my folks wanted an opportunity for me to get an education in the West and live a better life in general. They have their reservations about Canada, as I do, but all in all we're glad to be here and we admire what the country and its people stand for. THAT is something I'm confident most immigrants to this country share. As for my literacy, I could write circles around most of you jerk-offs. What I'm seeing here disgusts me. What I'm seeing here disappoints me. Why the fuck should it matter what the ethnic makeup of a city is, so long as they're all Canadian at heart? I am a Canadian first because I value multiculturalism, secular humanism and a social democracy. I dare any of you stupid fucks to tell me the color of my skin makes it otherwise. I love all of you on Facepunch, but this thread is frankly disturbing.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;40115544]You understand what I mean I think you're just purposely looking past what I'm saying.[/QUOTE] or maybe you made an value judgement on a subculture that sounded ignorant and offensive? nothing to do with me [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] is punk rock also responsible for poor education, poor living conditions or poor parenting among poor white people?