Whites to become minority in Metro Vancouver by 2031 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=thisispain;40115563]or maybe you made an value judgement on a subculture that sounded ignorant and offensive? nothing to do with me [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] is punk rock also responsible for poor education, poor living conditions or poor parenting among poor white people?[/QUOTE] No I can see what you're saying, I sound like one of those old man assholes ranting about kids music today. And its not even the music alone I'm talking about, its the whole mini culture of materialism, being a thug, etc. Which funnily enough is spawned from their own surroundings to begin with. I'm no anthropologist this shit isn't easy to solve.

[QUOTE=thisispain;40115563] is punk rock also responsible for poor education, poor living conditions or poor parenting among poor white people?[/QUOTE] pat robertson would probably say so

[QUOTE=Aman VII;40115597]No I can see what you're saying, I sound like one of those old man assholes ranting about kids music today. And its not even the music alone I'm talking about, its the whole mini culture of materialism, being a thug, etc.[/QUOTE] this is racist by the way. all of american culture is materialist as shit, saying "black culture is materialist" is just an awful (+racist) rightwing talking point used to downplay the effects of institutional racism 'thug' is a racially-loaded codeword that has historically been used in dogwhistle politics to play up racist fears among white voters without being [i]explicitly[/i] racist [QUOTE=Aman VII;40115597]Which funnily enough is spawned from their own surroundings to begin with. I'm no anthropologist this shit isn't easy to solve.[/QUOTE] actually it totally is easy to understand if you just listen to what other people have to say about it

I understand it can be scary for inhabitants of a country that has remained primarily white for a couple of centuries to see its ethnic demographics so suddenly and so dramatically changed, but the attitudes and politics of these immigrants - Not where they came from or their religion or their funny accents - should be the chief among your concerns. And believe me, most immigrants come around to the Canadian way of thinking pretty soon.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;40115597]No I can see what you're saying, I sound like one of those old man assholes ranting about kids music today. And its not even the music alone I'm talking about, its the whole mini culture of materialism, being a thug, etc. Which funnily enough is spawned from their own surroundings to begin with. I'm no anthropologist this shit isn't easy to solve.[/QUOTE] these things are present in almost every culture in the usa. materialism and criminality are very common in culture because a very large part of society lives in communities dominated by materialism and criminality.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;40115613]this is racist by the way. all of american culture is materialist as shit, saying "black culture is materialist" is just an awful (+racist) rightwing talking point used to downplay the effects of racism actually it totally is easy to understand if you just listen to what other people have to say about it[/QUOTE] wow throwing the racist attack 3 times in a single sentence, think you hit a record. And I know I'm not denying American culture isn't like that to begin with maybe I should be more specific. I'll see myself out before I embarrass myself more. I'm not really up for arguing with facepunch's full group of infamous amazing posters at 4am.

it's only so pronounced in "black culture" because it is a culture that differs from your own(and maybe a great deal). i mean look at punk, metal, alternative, grunge, etc. you hear about drugs, sex, violence, crime, and money.

Maybe we should just stop taking in 250,000 immigrants in a year to a country as small as ours.

[QUOTE=flamehead5;40115634]Maybe we should just stop taking in 250,000 immigrants in a year to a country as small as ours.[/QUOTE] We have the room. We're the 2nd largest country by landmass. We have the room. We barely occupy this landmass. We just really suck at city planning

[QUOTE=Aman VII;40115624]wow throwing the racist attack 3 times in a single sentence, think you hit a record. And I know I'm not denying American culture isn't like that to begin with maybe I should be more specific. I'll see myself out.[/QUOTE] it's not an attack its a legit observation. you said something racist and sigma told you what you said was racist. stop pretending you're being attacked and victimized just because people calmly and rather politely let you know you're being racist right now

[QUOTE=archangel125;40115561]I don't get the attitudes in this thread, especially from fellow Canadians. ESPECIALLY fellow canadians living in motherfucking British Columbia. What I see here is a clear implication that looking at a person's skin colour or country of birth will tell you their worth to society, their political leanings, their ability to speak and write in english, and their intelligence or supposed benevolence/malevolence. I am a first generation Canadian immigrant from India. My family came here because my folks wanted an opportunity for me to get an education in the West and live a better life in general. They have their reservations about Canada, as I do, but all in all we're glad to be here and we admire what the country and its people stand for. THAT is something I'm confident most immigrants to this country share. As for my literacy, I could write circles around most of you jerk-offs. What I'm seeing here disgusts me. What I'm seeing here disappoints me. Why the fuck should it matter what the ethnic makeup of a city is, so long as they're all Canadian at heart? I am a Canadian first because I value multiculturalism, secular humanism and a social democracy. I dare any of you stupid fucks to tell me the color of my skin makes it otherwise. I love all of you on Facepunch, but this thread is frankly disturbing.[/QUOTE] What i'm interpreting is that our fellow Canadians aren't saying "Just because you're ____ you're shit to society", it's that from their view people are actually going against seeing themselves as "Canadian." and not caring to speak the official language. But that's just me, and they aren't providing any evidence for their views.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;40115597]No I can see what you're saying, I sound like one of those old man assholes ranting about kids music today. And its not even the music alone I'm talking about, its the whole mini culture of materialism, being a thug, etc. Which funnily enough is spawned from their own surroundings to begin with. I'm no anthropologist this shit isn't easy to solve.[/QUOTE] no its more like you dont really have an understanding of the rap subculture the commercialised "gangsta" hiphop is marketed towards a white audience, among the greater hippo hop community its really not that popular [url]http://www.billboard.com/charts/r-b-hip-hop-songs[/url] that story started in the 90s with the self-proclaimed "culture warriors" who were going after easy targets like biggie and 2pac but 2pac stopped being gangsta very early in his career

[QUOTE=Keyblockor;40115643]What i'm interpreting is that our fellow Canadians aren't saying "Just because you're ____ you're shit to society", it's that from their view people are actually going against seeing themselves as "Canadian." and not caring to speak the official language. But that's just me, and they aren't providing any evidence for their views.[/QUOTE] I can understand some fresh immigrants who have difficulty with English - And it's actually very difficult to learn a completely new language (Like chinese to english instead of french to english) when you're past a certain age. But here's the thing - Most immigrants bring their kids with them. Most immigrants can actually speak english before coming to Canada. And their kids learn the language very quickly. It's hard to understand or relate to a person who's speaking a strange language, I know that first hand. But when there's no interaction at all between these diverse groups, social stigma grows.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;40115624]wow throwing the racist attack 3 times in a single sentence, think you hit a record. And I know I'm not denying American culture isn't like that to begin with maybe I should be more specific. I'll see myself out. I'm not up for arguing with facepunch's full group of infamous amazing posters at 4am. Consider that victory to your argument, whatever.[/QUOTE] what is the racist attack and how much more powerful is it than a spirit bomb

[QUOTE=Aman VII;40115624] I'll see myself out. I'm not up for arguing with facepunch's full group of infamous amazing posters at 4am. Consider that victory to your argument, whatever.[/QUOTE] "last night i was in this girls bedroom right but then i saw she had a tattoo of the lead singer from nickelback when she took off her pants" "omg what did you do" "the only thing i could do; i said 'omg sanius squad' and jumped through the window"

Less than a century ago, Visible minorities didn't have civil rights. They weren't considered people at all. Canada's immigration policies were once heavily biased against countries in which there were people of color. That only changed in the 1970s, I believe. Maybe that golden age of perfect tolerance is still far away, but every single person has a duty to carefully examine their preconceptions and try and enact social change. Ethnic minorities in Canada are here to stay. Canada is still overwhelmingly white, but there's nothing to lose if that changes over time, so long as the values of tolerance and multiculturalism survive.

[QUOTE=archangel125;40115658]I can understand some fresh immigrants who have difficulty with English - And it's actually very difficult to learn a completely new language (Like chinese to english instead of french to english) when you're past a certain age. But here's the thing - Most immigrants bring their kids with them. Most immigrants can actually speak english before coming to Canada. And their kids learn the language very quickly. It's hard to understand or relate to a person who's speaking a strange language, I know that first hand. But when there's no interaction at all between these diverse groups, social stigma grows.[/QUOTE] Of course, and I agree with that. I do believe that people need to break down walls and actually get talking to one another. And I do hope views of Vancouver inhabitants towards new immigrants is cleared up, that they actually interact instead of making assumptions about one another.

[QUOTE=thisispain;40115563]or maybe you made an value judgement on a subculture that sounded ignorant and offensive? nothing to do with me[/QUOTE] Maybe he's decrying people who idolize a life of crime, who become someone people with no strong male figure in their life look up to, despite them promoting a glorified life of crime? IMO, someone who idolizes the "thug lyfe," no matter their skin colour, is a piece of shit, and that's unfortunately most mainstream rappers. It promotes violence, objectification of women, drug abuse, and murder, and some kids whose parents don't care enough to explain to them that these rappers are just in it for money, that the "thug lyfe" isn't as glorious as they make it out to be, some destitute kid looking for somewhere to go in his life, is going to think that the "gangster" life of crime is some kind of amazing thing, and he's going to get involved in all the terrible things that it entails. Now I ask you, in general, why is it that a black can be proud of his skin colour and that's fine, but a while who is proud of his skin colour is "racist?" Why is someone who is "proud" to be white immediately associated with racism and discrimination? Why is there this idea that the majority cannot be discriminated against? Why should someone feel guilty because of their skin colour? Is telling someone to feel guilty because they're white not racism? You are targeting someone because of their race, is that not racism's definition?" As long as these people can speak one of our two official languages and agree to abide by our laws and accept our culture and political system, I don't care if they're Chinese, Iranian, or bloody Martian, welcome to Canada, but why should I feel guilty because I'm a white, second-generation Canadian? And saying "their grandparents weren't born in Canada" doesn't mean they weren't, and if they're born here then they're as Canadian as the maple tree, no matter their ethnic history, same with if their (grand)parents have citizenship but aren't from here, if you're Canadian then you're Canadian, so why classify Canadians by skin colour? Why should there be a difference between a white Canadian and a black Canadian? Why should the white Canadian feel bad for being white, but the black proud for his skin colour? That very divide promotes racism, that divide IS, itself, racist. [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=archangel125;40115684]Less than a century ago, Visible minorities didn't have civil rights. They weren't considered people at all. Canada's immigration policies were once heavily biased against countries in which there were people of color. That only changed in the 1970s, I believe. Maybe that golden age of perfect tolerance is still far away, but every single person has a duty to carefully examine their preconceptions and try and enact social change. Ethnic minorities in Canada are here to stay. Canada is still overwhelmingly white, but there's nothing to lose if that changes over time, so long as the values of tolerance and multiculturalism survive.[/QUOTE] Canada was not like the US, minorities were still given voting rights and treated legally as equal so long as they had citizenship, it was just in the '70s that Trudeau opened the borders to more immigration from a broader list of countries. Before then the immigration policy was likely biased, but the rights of individuals were not, minorities have always been considered people, since confederation, it's women that had to fight to be considered people in the '10s and '20s.

[QUOTE=thisispain;40115679]"last night i was in this girls bedroom right but then i saw she had a tattoo of the lead singer from nickelback when she took off her pants" "omg what did you do" "the only thing i could do; i said 'omg sanius squad' and jumped through the window"[/QUOTE] Well to be fair if a girl has a tattoo of nickelback she is really trashy and has terrible taste in music.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;40115707]Well to be fair if a girl has a tattoo of nickelback she is really trashy and has terrible taste in music.[/QUOTE] I think you just proved his point.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;40115698]Maybe he's decrying people who idolize a life of crime, who become someone people with no strong male figure in their life look up to, despite them promoting a glorified life of crime? IMO, someone who idolizes the "thug lyfe," no matter their skin colour, is a piece of shit, and that's unfortunately most mainstream rappers. It promotes violence, objectification of women, drug abuse, and murder, and some kids whose parents don't care enough to explain to them that these rappers are just in it for money, that the "thug lyfe" isn't as glorious as they make it out to be, some destitute kid looking for somewhere to go in his life, is going to think that the "gangster" life of crime is some kind of amazing thing, and he's going to get involved in all the terrible things that it entails.[/QUOTE] hahaha what fuckin year is it? "thug lyfe" are you for real?

[QUOTE=Aman VII;40115527]How does black people having higher rates of unemployment = them being oppressed? Black poverty has many contributing factors it's not just as simple as saying the white man did it. poverty which encompasses poor education, poor living conditions, poor parenting, etc. It's a self perpetuating cycle of poverty and crime. It's not like they are that way purely because they are black, it is just the societal position they've entered. Throughout history there's always been the impoverished minority in every country. These minorities have often became scapegoats on the shallow assumption that it is their race, religion, nationality, which is causing them to be like that but it's more than skin deep. I think the whole "rapper/gangsta" culture doesn't help them at all either, where idolizing being a piece of shit and a criminal is held as the pinnacle of success. All of this societal and economic shit is intertwined and related to one and other. Now we can argue whether or not and what to degree oppression exists and if the oppression is part of the cause of the poverty but I really don't think the issue of black poverty is as simple as saying the white man did it on purpose.[/QUOTE] if my family forced yours into a ghetto with shit education, conditions, and etc. while i lived in beverly hills with great education, conditions, and etc., had this cycle for generations, then civil rights came up, and you're still living the ghetto while mine still lived in beverly hills, does that mean i had nothing to do with the fact your family hasn't gotten out of the ghetto?

man i really am retarded tonight just ignore me. I'll watch from the sidelines.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;40115698] Canada was not like the US, minorities were still given voting rights and treated legally as equal so long as they had citizenship, it was just in the '70s that Trudeau opened the borders to more immigration from a broader list of countries. Before then the immigration policy was likely biased, but the rights of individuals were not, minorities have always been considered people, since confederation, it's women that had to fight to be considered people in the '10s and '20s.[/QUOTE] What was written in law and what was shown in interactions between various ethnicities in those days varied greatly. Look up 'Africville' in Nova Scotia if you need more convincing.

I've walked around vancouver a few times, its pretty darn multicultural.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;40115698] Now I ask you, in general, why is it that a black can be proud of his skin colour and that's fine, but a while who is proud of his skin colour is "racist?" Why is someone who is "proud" to be white immediately associated with racism and discrimination? Why is there this idea that the majority cannot be discriminated against? Why should someone feel guilty because of their skin colour? Is telling someone to feel guilty because they're white not racism? You are targeting someone because of their race, is that not racism's definition?"[/QUOTE] No, that's literally [B]not[/B] racism's definition. Racism is systemic oppression. Somebody making you feel bad for a moment as you enjoy all of the socioeconomic privileges that come with being white is not racism because it doesn't actually effect a goddamn thing.

[QUOTE=archangel125;40115724]What was written in law and what was shown in interactions between various ethnicities in those days varied greatly. Look up 'Africville' in Nova Scotia if you need more convincing.[/QUOTE] You literally just said they had absolutely no rights, and that was a false statement. I never said they weren't discriminated against, I know about the Asian internment camps and such, but they did have rights prior to the '70s.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;40115698]Maybe he's decrying people who idolize a life of crime, who become someone people with no strong male figure in their life look up to, despite them promoting a glorified life of crime? IMO, someone who idolizes the "thug lyfe," no matter their skin colour, is a piece of shit, and that's unfortunately most mainstream rappers. It promotes violence, objectification of women, drug abuse, and murder, and some kids whose parents don't care enough to explain to them that these rappers are just in it for money, that the "thug lyfe" isn't as glorious as they make it out to be, some destitute kid looking for somewhere to go in his life, is going to think that the "gangster" life of crime is some kind of amazing thing, and he's going to get involved in all the terrible things that it entails.[/QUOTE] or maybe he's generalizing african american culture and implying african american culture is inherently violent and all african americans idolize rap music and gang members (hint: it's not, and, they don't) [QUOTE=DaCommie1;40115698]Now I ask you, in general, why is it that a black can be proud of his skin colour and that's fine, but a while who is proud of his skin colour is "racist?" Why is someone who is "proud" to be white immediately associated with racism and discrimination? Why is there this idea that the majority cannot be discriminated against? Why should someone feel guilty because of their skin colour? Is telling someone to feel guilty because they're white not racism? You are targeting someone because of their race, is that not racism's definition?"[/QUOTE] please read the thread i made multiple posts about this on page 3 and everyone else has explained why white pride is inherently racist many times over in this thread

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;40115698]Maybe he's decrying people who idolize a life of crime, who become someone people with no strong male figure in their life look up to, despite them promoting a glorified life of crime?[/QUOTE] what does that have to do with hip-hop? hip-hop is full of great role models. what's a better role-model than someone who uses music to overcome their situation? that's what hip-hop is. all the crime shit is a simple reality. you cant tell people in hip-hop to not reflect crime when its a reality for many people, not just black people. punk rock is exactly the same way. i didnt have a strong male figure in my life so i looked up to punk rockers. if they didnt reflect the life of crime around them theyd be dishonest. [QUOTE=DaCommie1;40115698] IMO, someone who idolizes the "thug lyfe," no matter their skin colour, is a piece of shit, and that's unfortunately most mainstream rappers. It promotes violence, objectification of women, drug abuse, and murder, and some kids whose parents don't care enough to explain to them that these rappers are just in it for money, that the "thug lyfe" isn't as glorious as they make it out to be, some destitute kid looking for somewhere to go in his life, is going to think that the "gangster" life of crime is some kind of amazing thing, and he's going to get involved in all the terrible things that it entails.[/QUOTE] haha this has zero to do with hip-hop people think the life of crime is an amazing thing because honestly it is for these people. when you have no job opportunities and a society that expresses antagonism towards you; you have no choice. dont blame hip-hop when its just a reflection of the society the mainstream has created for black americans. and not to mention you obviously dont know shit about mainstream. all of that murder-core hardcore rap is completely in the minority and not bought by black americans. almost all of the sales of gangsta rap in the 90's (NWA, 2pac, and ice-t) were to white americans. [QUOTE=DaCommie1;40115698]Now I ask you, in general, why is it that a black can be proud of his skin colour and that's fine, but a while who is proud of his skin colour is "racist?" Why is someone who is "proud" to be white immediately associated with racism and discrimination? Why is there this idea that the majority cannot be discriminated against? Why should someone feel guilty because of their skin colour? Is telling someone to feel guilty because they're white not racism? You are targeting someone because of their race, is that not racism's definition?"[/QUOTE] lol no black pride isnt about being proud of your skin colour idk why youre talking about hip-hop or black pride when you know nothing about either. black pride came out of the 1950's civil rights movement where mainstream culture was INCREDIBLY antagonistic towards black people. black people were devalued and derided as inferior by a matter of history (remember they were treated like cattle for a while) and culture. what is white pride a response to [QUOTE=DaCommie1;40115698]Why should the white Canadian feel bad for being white, but the black proud for his skin colour? That very divide promotes racism, that divide IS, itself, racist.[/QUOTE] if you feel bad for being white you missed the point of the whole fucking thing. no-one cares if you feel bad. i really dont care if you have inadequacy feelings just because the civil rights movement happened or whtever your reasoning is srsly black people dont care either

I live in Surrey, and I think Metro Vancouver is one of the most unique and best places in the world in terms of culture. I am Taiwan born, but came to Canada in grade two, and I have to say that all the complaints about how English is disappearing, and things like people who "complain that stop signs aren't in Chinese" is complete bullshit. I have friends from pretty much every culture, and while many of them still speak their own language, we all still communicate in English - fluently too. What people tend to overlook is that many of us immigrants are raised or born here, meaning that while we still keep some of our cultural identity, English has become our primary language, and all our lifestyles and education have been adapted to that of the west. So yes, there are some difficulties in communication across cultures here, but that mostly exists with the last generation (like my parents, but even they communicate fluently with white people), and they definitely do not make up the majority of non-white groups in Vancouver. When you go to places like Richmond, the majority of people you see will be Asian. However, if you just talk to them, you will realize that many of them speak perfectly fine English, and some of them don't even know how to speak their own languages. Of course, situations of foreigners who refuse to adapt and complain of the Canadian lifestyle do exist, but they are nowhere near the extreme to the point where I encounter it every day. Those cases do happen but they are rare. I think the complaints of "white" becoming a minority is a very superficial one, because while the amount of non-white population is growing, the "Canadian identity" is definitely not being taken over.