Whites to become minority in Metro Vancouver by 2031 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;40115730]No, that's literally [B]not[/B] racism's definition. Racism is systemic oppression. Somebody making you feel bad for a moment as you enjoy all of the socioeconomic privileges that come with being white is not racism because it doesn't actually effect a goddamn thing.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism[/url] [quote=Dictionary]rac·ism noun \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\ Definition of RACISM 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination[/quote] No, it is not systemic oppression, it is discrimination or prejudice based on skin colour/race. Saying someone should feel "guilty" for being white sounds pretty damn prejudiced to me.

who the fuck tells you to be guilty people just want acknowledgement unlike white people, blacks and other minorities were heavily discriminated and screwed lol lets just put it this way if you had a time machine that can ONLY go into the past would you rather be white or black

[b] metal is far more misogynist, violent, and supportive of crime than hip-hop yet we dont talk about how it corrupted white people[/b] q: what makes black people different than they just cant handle listening to hip-hop without becoming "gangsta's"?

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;40115698]Now I ask you, in general, why is it that a black can be proud of his skin colour and that's fine, but a while who is proud of his skin colour is "racist?" Why is someone who is "proud" to be white immediately associated with racism and discrimination?[/QUOTE] It's not about being proud of the level of melanin in your skin (or whatever other base attribute you'd like to simplify it down to), it's about being proud of the adversity you or people like you have had to overcome to be treated equally. Perhaps in Canada slavery did not exist to the same extent or for the same time period as it did in the US, but there are of course other examples of prejudice one could cite throughout history in any case. The important question here is 'why', and fundamentally the answer is never really [I]just[/I] "because I have black/white/yellow/etc. skin/ancestry", it has roots in other things. [QUOTE=DaCommie1;40115698]Why is there this idea that the majority cannot be discriminated against? Why should someone feel guilty because of their skin colour? Is telling someone to feel guilty because they're white not racism? You are targeting someone because of their race, is that not racism's definition?"[/QUOTE] Because person-to-person discrimination is not the same as institutional discrimination. It's much the same problem people have arguing about the existence of misandry in the developed world. It may exist between two people, but does not exist on a systematic level. The same is true of racism from Asians to Whites, or Blacks to Whites, or what have you. Can you point to any one law or initiative that actively discriminates against Whites? Just as a note, offering a scholarship to people of a minority ethnicity is not this.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;40115698] Now I ask you, in general, why is it that a black can be proud of his skin colour and that's fine, but a while who is proud of his skin colour is "racist?" Why is someone who is "proud" to be white immediately associated with racism and discrimination? Why is there this idea that the majority cannot be discriminated against? Why should someone feel guilty because of their skin colour? Is telling someone to feel guilty because they're white not racism? You are targeting someone because of their race, is that not racism's definition?" [/QUOTE] I can't tell whether or not you're deliberately missing the point here. It's clear as day to me, at least. 'Black pride' and 'gay pride' and 'feminist pride' have nothing to do with any of those three groups feeling superior to everyone else. 'Pride' in this context is a message to these people to keep their chins up. Why? Because it's clear that true equality is still some way away, and because it's important for them to remember how far they've come in their struggle towards that equality, so that they do not give up. If you need further proof, consider the common knowledge that women are paid less than men for equal work when they're equally qualified, blacks less than whites, etc. Statistically speaking. The idea of 'white pride' or 'male pride' or 'straight pride' in that context - The context of a struggle for equality - is absurd. Why? Because straight white males do, I'm sorry to say, have an advantage in society still. Does that mean you've got to feel guilty for being straight, white and male? No. I'm a straight Indian male, and I'm privileged in two out of those three categories, too. The technical term for people like us - We're agents. We have a considerable degree of influence in society because of our privilege, and we can use that influence to advocate for positive change. 'White pride' is also looked upon as bad because the groups that colloquially rally under that particular banner have Neo-Nazi tendencies, and 'White Pride' has become a great way of saying "Hey, I'm in favour of racial segregation!" They have no place in Canadian society.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40115721]if my family forced yours into a ghetto with shit education, conditions, and etc. while i lived in beverly hills with great education, conditions, and etc., had this cycle for generations, then civil rights came up, and you're still living the ghetto while mine still lived in beverly hills, does that mean i had nothing to do with the fact your family hasn't gotten out of the ghetto?[/QUOTE] Well yeah. Unless you were living in that times and participating I don't understand how can you take the blame for your racist great grandfather. [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;40115730]No, that's literally [B]not[/B] racism's definition. Racism is systemic oppression. Somebody making you feel bad for a moment as you enjoy all of the socioeconomic privileges that come with being white is not racism because it doesn't actually effect a goddamn thing.[/QUOTE] I thought racism is when you treat different races differently. [QUOTE=thisispain;40115763] people think the life of crime is an amazing thing because honestly it is for these people. when you have no job opportunities and a society that expresses antagonism towards you; you have no choice. [/QUOTE] I think that was their original point. That this attitude doesn't help. Naturally it's not their fault.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40115830] I think that was their original point. That this attitude doesn't help. Naturally it's not their fault.[/QUOTE] cept this attitude does help, it helps a lot of people. the rapper/gangsta subculture was created out of necessity.

[QUOTE=Megafan;40115781] Can you point to any one law or initiative that actively discriminates against Whites? Just as a note, offering a scholarship to people of a minority ethnicity is not this.[/QUOTE] [quote=Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms]Equality Rights Marginal note:Equality before and under law and equal protection and benefit of law 15. (1) [B]Every individual is equal before and under the law[/B] and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability. Marginal note:Affirmative action programs [B](2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability. (84)[/B][/quote] Which lead to this: [url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2010/07/22/affirmative-action-review.html[/url] [quote]Sara Landriault of Kemptville, Ont., told the media Wednesday that she applied online for an administrative assistant job with Citizenship and Immigration Canada, and was asked by the online application if she was white, aboriginal or a visible minority.[B] When she answered white, she said a message informed her she did not meet the criteria and could no longer proceed.[/B][/quote]

[QUOTE=thisispain;40115855]cept this attitude does help, it helps a lot of people. the rapper/gangsta subculture was created out of necessity.[/QUOTE] Thinking that life of crime is an amazing things helps people? How exactly?

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;40115856]Which lead to this: [url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2010/07/22/affirmative-action-review.html[/url][/QUOTE] Yes, affirmative action exists. The Canadian government supports it, perhaps a little too much. It's actually called a maintenance action. Sad as it is, if affirmative action didn't exist at all, ethnic minorities would be represented far, far less, and the gulf between ethnicities would be one of income as well as social class. It's a necessary evil to maintain a certain baseline of minority workers in any given industry. It doesn't mean that belonging to the ethnic majority precludes your chance of getting a job entirely. It doesn't even hurt it all that much, unless you're going into an industry in which there's an oversaturation of people of any particular ethnicity, and you belong to that ethnicity. (Police and the Army are great examples.) Even though I'm a member of a minority, I don't like affirmative action. I never state my ethnicity in an application because I'm confident I can be hired on the merits of my intelligence and education alone. HOWEVER, I understand why affirmative action is necessary.

[QUOTE=Megafan;40115781]Because person-to-person discrimination is not the same as institutional discrimination. It's much the same problem people have arguing about the existence of misandry in the developed world. It may exist between two people, but does not exist on a systematic level. The same is true of racism from Asians to Whites, or Blacks to Whites, or what have you. [/QUOTE] This doesn't change anything.He wasn't asking about institutional discrimination but whether or not it's racism. What's your point? I don't get it. As long as there isn't institutional discrimination against whites it's okay to discriminate whites on person-to-person level, what? Racism is racism and it breeds only more racism. The more you go blacks this, whites that the bigger the problem. You can't beat discrimination of blacks with discrimination of whites. You make things worse because you advocate that there are differences between black and white people. I thought the point was to make people think that color of skin means nothing?

[QUOTE=archangel125;40115888]Yes, affirmative action exists. The Canadian government supports it, perhaps a little too much. It's actually called a maintenance action. Sad as it is, if affirmative action didn't exist at all, ethnic minorities would be represented far, far less, and the gulf between ethnicities would be one of income as well as social class. It's a necessary evil to maintain a certain baseline of minority workers in any given industry. It doesn't mean that belonging to the ethnic majority precludes your chance of getting a job entirely. Even though I'm a member of a minority, I don't like affirmative action. I never state my ethnicity in an application because I'm confident I can be hired on the merits of my intelligence and education alone. HOWEVER, I understand why affirmative action is necessary.[/QUOTE] Personally, I feel affirmative action is, at it's core, discriminatory. I understand why it exists too, because minorities have been discriminated against by employers and denied jobs based off their skin colour, but at what point does affirmative action flip around? Evidently, in some parts of the Canadian workforce, it already has. I am a firm believer of hiring the best person for the job, I don't think skin colour should play any factor at all, be it affirmative or discriminatory, in the hiring process. I just simply find it atrocious that the government has essentially contradicted Section 15 within itself. If I could, I'd remove sections 15 (2) and 33 from the charter, and delete the any part past "subject to" from section 1, as I feel those to be overall detrimental to society, especially section 33.

I'unno, Vancouver Island is somewhat of a safe haven, if you can tolerate the black acting Natives and the Asian tourists. And the old people, sweet Jesus so many old people.

[QUOTE=FreeHat;40116002]if you can tolerate the black acting Natives[/QUOTE] say what now evidently though i did just finish touring around a bunch of japense students in victoria

[QUOTE=Megafan;40115781]Can you point to any one law or initiative that actively discriminates against Whites? Just as a note, offering a scholarship to people of a minority ethnicity is not this.[/QUOTE] why the hell not there are scholarships offered by institutions on the basis of ethnicity this is discrimination against whites (but more importantly, asians) based on their ethnicity. therefore it is institutional discrimination.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40116227]why the hell not there are scholarships offered by institutions on the basis of ethnicity this is discrimination against whites (but more importantly, asians) based on their ethnicity. therefore it is institutional discrimination.[/QUOTE] except for the fact (as shown by readily-avaliable statistics that have already been posted in this thread) that, despite the presence of affirmative action, whites still have a net advantage when it comes to access to a college education. arent you a utilitarian or something? you should get this it's not functionally discriminatory because it doesn't result in whites being at a disadvantage, it merely puts them at less extreme of an advantage

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;40116279]except for the fact (as shown by readily-avaliable statistics that have already been posted in this thread) that, despite the presence of affirmative action, whites still have a net advantage when it comes to access to a college education. arent you a utilitarian or something? you should get this it's not functionally discriminatory because it doesn't result in whites being at a disadvantage, it merely puts them at less extreme of an advantage[/QUOTE] So unequal laws are fine as long as the discriminated group still has net advantage? And it's not even discrimination then? It's pretty stupid because if you are white and out of cash you have less chance of getting scholarship and education. For that man it doesn't matter that other whites can afford it. It's completely irrelevant for him. He's fucked because of racially unequal law. And you're never going to achieve equality by making unequal laws. The more you go blacks, whites, etc the less it's just "people".

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;40116279]arent you a utilitarian or something? you should get this[/QUOTE] yeah i'm a preference utilitarian and i don't think this sort of thing satisfies preferences even if affirmative action worked it still wouldn't be a good thing [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] I can conclude that since you're moving towards the "greater good" argument, you're tacitly conceding that AA [I]is[/I] discriminatory against whites and asians?

Just finished reading through this thread, disgusting. The only issues I can see coming with this are the chinese only signs, seriously if you go to richmond it can sometimes become a hassle to communicate. Plus the real estate prices issue. In my opinion the BC government needs to keep building bridges and skytrain lines, because who doesn't like bridges and track?

[QUOTE=Episode;40114996][img]http://s14.postimg.org/4auaioqrl/1363843753020.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] so everyone is just agreeing with neo nazi propaganda?

[QUOTE=sp00ks;40116734]so everyone is just agreeing with neo nazi propaganda?[/QUOTE] In the same section people constantly cry about being "too liberal" as well.

I dunno guys, what's seriously the big deal with no longer being the majority culture/ethnicity/race/whatever? It's not like being a minority puts you in a bad position in society, right?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40114970]all three of the things you said are generally said by the white supremacist types.[/QUOTE] All the things you've said are generally said by the Anti-White Cultural Marxist Types but hey, who's generalising :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=entertainer89;40116960]All the things you've said are generally said by the Anti-White Cultural Marxist Types but hey, who's generalising :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] anti-white cultural marxist? what the fuck?

[QUOTE=Episode;40114996][img]http://s14.postimg.org/4auaioqrl/1363843753020.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] The point of the image is spot on, but why the creator would use that symbol is beyond me.

[QUOTE=sp00ks;40117113]anti-white cultural marxist? what the fuck?[/QUOTE] [url]http://destoryculturalmarxism.blogspot.com.es/[/url]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40114998] lol this is ignoring that white pride means the oppression of other races[/QUOTE] As much as any other "x pride" is. Black pride has plenty of extremists as well, doesn't make everyone that is proud to be black a racist xenophobe, same goes for white pride (refer to above for the symbol though).

Well white people of Canada, start fucking more.

here's a thought: if everyone is treated equally, does it matter what ethnicity someone is? its not rhetorical, the answer is no who gives a shit if whites become the minority, boo hoo.

[QUOTE=Bobie;40117173]here's a thought: if everyone is treated equally, does it matter what ethnicity someone is? its not rhetorical, the answer is no who gives a shit if whites become the minority, boo hoo.[/QUOTE] Works in an ideal world, but when you start getting cultural differences the divide becomes more glaring. They don't speak English, and that causes conflict between the native (white) residents and the newer (chinese) residents. If they spoke English this wouldn't really be an issue whatsoever.