Whites to become minority in Metro Vancouver by 2031 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Bobie;40117173]here's a thought: if everyone is treated equally, does it matter what ethnicity someone is? its not rhetorical, the answer is no who gives a shit if whites become the minority, boo hoo.[/QUOTE] Yeah I'm wondering this too. Who gives a shit someone will always be the minority anyway. If it's so important, do what Swebonny said and fuck more then.

[QUOTE=entertainer89;40117154][url]http://destoryculturalmarxism.blogspot.com.es/[/url][/QUOTE] [quote] Notable Quotes: "Political correctness is Cultural Marxism." "All Cultural Marxists seem to suffer from leukophobia - the fear of white people organizing racially." "Cultural Marxists have taken over the institutions of the media, education, mainstream Christianity (conservative and liberal), law, and finance. Their goal is the annihilation of Western Civilization in general and white people in particular." [/quote] at best that site is extremely racist.

[QUOTE=entertainer89;40117154][url]http://destoryculturalmarxism.blogspot.com.es/[/url][/QUOTE] and the antisemitism kicks in [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=acds;40117159]As much as any other "x pride" is. Black pride has plenty of extremists as well, doesn't make everyone that is proud to be black a racist xenophobe, same goes for white pride (refer to above for the symbol though).[/QUOTE] oh yeah black pride is about oppression other races good job acds really studied your fucking history there [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=acds;40117139]The point of the image is spot on, but why the creator would use that symbol is beyond me.[/QUOTE] because the creator is a neo-nazi

Hey look MIPS made a thread where he complains about the existence of Asian people

[QUOTE=thisispain;40117354] oh yeah black pride is about oppression other races good job acds really studied your fucking history there [/QUOTE] Nice double standards. Good thing there have never been violent or racist black power groups right? There is a big difference between *colour*-power movements and just not being ashamed of your race. Yeah most white power movements are racist, and so are most black power movements, that doesn't make your average white or black person who has a bit of pride for his ancestry or at least is not ashamed of his skin colour a bigot racist. Also plenty of white people have been persecuted throughout history (yeah, you won't hear it as much since it didn't happen in Europe or the US, as with everything) and how about all the non-white slave traders? So whites should feel ashamed of their race for having persecuted and enslaved people, but non-whites whose race did the very same shouldn't? I can barely comprehend how backwards one must be to try and put the crimes of ancestors on people hundreds of years later (with only skin colour as proof of being related, too) but hey, saying that is racist or something right?

[QUOTE=archangel125;40115888] Even though I'm a member of a minority, I don't like affirmative action. I never state my ethnicity in an application because I'm confident I can be hired on the merits of my intelligence and education alone. HOWEVER, I understand why affirmative action is necessary.[/QUOTE] If you have an ethnic-sounding name you can rest assured that some people will be filing your resume straight into the garbage without reading it

[QUOTE=acds;40117444]Nice double standards. [/QUOTE] there is no standard in the first place [QUOTE=acds;40117444]Good thing there have never been violent or racist black power groups right? There is a big difference between *colour*-power movements and just not being ashamed of your race. Yeah most white power movements are racist, and so are most black power movements, that doesn't make your average white or black person who has a bit of pride for his ancestry or at least is not ashamed of his skin colour a bigot racist.[/QUOTE] ok black pride isnt an extremist thing at all it was started in the 50's to refute racist stereotypes about black people, just like chicano pride and female pride white pride was started by neo-nazis in the 90's who were opposed to any civil rights for minorities. the first people to say black pride were the civil rights pioneers, the first people to say white pride were the fucking KKK; do you see the difference there mr double standards? language is not a myopic conditional thing based on simplistic readings. white pride is not the same thing as black pride just because they share a word. they are two utterly separate concepts be "proud of being white" if you want but its an utterly meaningless concept created by white supremacists.

[QUOTE=acds;40117444]I can barely comprehend how backwards one must be to try and put the crimes of ancestors on people hundreds of years later (with only skin colour as proof of being related, too) but hey, saying that is racist or something right?[/QUOTE] This is a strawman that I see white supremacists haul out all the time and it's completely asinine. Nobody is blaming you for anything. No crimes are on you. But you're riding on the back of past oppression merely by being white; there's really nothing you can do about it, you just [i]are[/i]. Nothing else considered you've started out a few steps ahead of other races (assuming we're still talking about North America/Europe). That doesn't make you a racist. You become racist when you actively oppose efforts to make it so white people don't start out with that innate advantage. (Such as when you complain about how white people might be a minority in metro vancouver in 2031)

[QUOTE=acds;40117444]Also plenty of white people have been persecuted throughout history (yeah, you won't hear it as much since it didn't happen in Europe or the US, as with everything) and how about all the non-white slave traders? So whites should feel ashamed of their race for having persecuted and enslaved people, but non-whites whose race did the very same shouldn't? I can barely comprehend how backwards one must be to try and put the crimes of ancestors on people hundreds of years later (with only skin colour as proof of being related, too) but hey, saying that is racist or something right?[/QUOTE] spare me the pathetic musings on white guilt plz no-one white really feels ashamed of their race, including you. white isnt even a fucking race, im coloured white but other white people didnt care and stuck my family into ovens anyway nah you probably wake up, laugh because youre white, then drive to the bank while farting and being happy with your good credit [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;40117517]This is a strawman that I see white supremacists haul out all the time and it's completely asinine. Nobody is blaming you for anything. No crimes are on you. [/QUOTE] these people should be ashamed of themselves

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40117517]This is a strawman that I see white supremacists haul out all the time and it's completely asinine. Nobody is blaming you for anything. No crimes are on you. But you're [B]riding on the back of past oppression merely by being white[/B]; there's really nothing you can do about it, you just [i]are[/i]. Nothing else considered you've started out a few steps ahead of other races (assuming we're still talking about North America/Europe). That doesn't make you a racist. You become racist when you actively [B]oppose efforts to make it so white people don't start out with that innate advantage.[/B] (Such as when you complain about how white people might be a minority in metro vancouver in 2031)[/QUOTE] this argument rests on the assumption that all races are psychologically identical. if there are innate differences between them then efforts to level the playing field are fruitless and immoral.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40117576]this argument rests on the assumption that all races are psychologically identical. if there are innate differences between them then efforts to level the playing field are fruitless and immoral.[/QUOTE] oh dain

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40117576]this argument rests on the assumption that all races are psychologically identical. [/QUOTE] they are tho.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40117576] if there are innate differences between them then efforts to level the playing field are fruitless and immoral.[/QUOTE] like wheelchair ramps, immoral scourges of the earth

[QUOTE=sp00ks;40117647]they are tho.[/QUOTE] ok [img]http://www.amfirstbooks.com/IntroPages/NonToolbarTopics/IdeologicalQuiz/Quiz-3-Commentary/Commentary_Art/IQ_graph_racial%20-NVangd20060122.jpg[/img] asians and ashkenazi jews are higher than whites too I mean explain to me why 27% of american nobel laureates are ashkenazi jewish, an ethnicity comprising 0.2% of the population

Oh god what have you done

Awful people awful thread I haven't even read past the first page

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40117659]like wheelchair ramps, immoral scourges of the earth[/QUOTE] I was actually making a serious point here, are you going to address it as well as rating it funny or just the second one

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40117687]ok [IMG]http://www.amfirstbooks.com/IntroPages/NonToolbarTopics/IdeologicalQuiz/Quiz-3-Commentary/Commentary_Art/IQ_graph_racial -NVangd20060122.jpg[/IMG] asians and ashkenazi jews are higher than whites too[/QUOTE] hahaha ITS TRUE BLACK PEOPLE ARE PSYCHOLOGICALLY INFERIOR WHAT FOOLS WE WERE TO PRETEND THEY EVEN HAD A CHANCE AFTER THEIR EMANCIPATION

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40117687]ok [img]http://www.amfirstbooks.com/IntroPages/NonToolbarTopics/IdeologicalQuiz/Quiz-3-Commentary/Commentary_Art/IQ_graph_racial%20-NVangd20060122.jpg[/img] asians and ashkenazi jews are higher than whites too[/QUOTE] wow you are really stupid...

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40117738]I was actually making a serious point here, are you going to address it as well as rating it funny or just the second one[/QUOTE] there's a difference between wheelchair ramps and preferential hiring practices

[QUOTE=thisispain;40117527]spare me the pathetic musings on white guilt plz no-one white really feels ashamed of their race, including you. white isnt even a fucking race, im coloured white but other white people didnt care and stuck my family into ovens anyway nah you probably wake up, laugh because youre white, then drive to the bank while farting and being happy with your good credit [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] these people should be ashamed of themselves[/QUOTE] why does being white mean you have good credit

[QUOTE=Bobie;40117739]hahaha ITS TRUE BLACK PEOPLE ARE PSYCHOLOGICALLY INFERIOR WHAT FOOLS WE WERE TO PRETEND THEY EVEN HAD A CHANCE AFTER THEIR EMANCIPATION[/QUOTE] so because I believe the scientific literature about racial differences in IQ, I have to support slavery?

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40117687]ok [img]http://www.amfirstbooks.com/IntroPages/NonToolbarTopics/IdeologicalQuiz/Quiz-3-Commentary/Commentary_Art/IQ_graph_racial%20-NVangd20060122.jpg[/img] asians and ashkenazi jews are higher than whites too[/QUOTE] Even if I was to concede that certain races are smarter than other races there'd be nothing to indicate that it's a genetic thing considering all the other socioeconomic factors in play. Assuming that IQ testing methodology isn't flawed, maybe black people have lower average IQs because they're brought up with a lower standard of education because they're more poor because they're more disadvantaged?

[QUOTE=Bobie;40117739]hahaha ITS TRUE BLACK PEOPLE ARE PSYCHOLOGICALLY INFERIOR WHAT FOOLS WE WERE TO PRETEND THEY EVEN HAD A CHANCE AFTER THEIR EMANCIPATION[/QUOTE] RIP black people and white people. Make way for Asians and Askanazi Jews.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40117777]so because I believe the scientific literature about racial differences in IQ, I have to support slavery?[/QUOTE] i was merely expressing my opinion, but if you'd like to tell me slavery was a bad idea then i'll gladly debate with you. i'm sick of people pretending slavery was a bad thing, when it spurred the greatest economic and technological achievements of mankind.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40117764]there's a difference between wheelchair ramps and preferential hiring practices[/QUOTE] I agree Getting more minorities into meaningful jobs will do more net good for society than wheelchair ramps will

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40117782]Even if I was to concede that certain races are smarter than other races there'd be nothing to indicate that it's a genetic thing considering all the other socioeconomic factors in play.[/quote] Well of course, and there obviously are socioeconomic factors at play, but even accounting for SES and such, the gap still exists. [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4ify7vDXrDs/TPVry_bCnLI/AAAAAAAAGwQ/qCVluHcWuYE/s1600/_0_0_a_income_vs_math_sat_testf0.gif[/img] (SAT scores are a good approximation to IQ scores and [I]g[/I]) [quote]Maybe black people have lower average IQs because they're brought up with a lower standard of education because they're more poor because they're more disadvantaged?[/QUOTE] Yes, this effect does exist, but even controlling for this, the gap exists. You also have to consider that the poverty may also be caused by poorer intelligence. [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;40117811]I agree Getting more minorities into meaningful jobs will do more net good for society than wheelchair ramps will[/QUOTE] But if the minority person getting into a job is less competent than their subjunctive white or asian counterpart (which they are by definition if they couldn't get in with a colorblind selection process) then that inefficiency reverberates throughout the entire economy if applied on a large scale. Intelligent people produce [I]vast[/I] positive externalities - the amount they manage to capture with their higher income is just the tip of the iceberg. If you want minorities to be better off, then why not simply give them tax breaks or state handouts, instead of the zero-sum (in fact, negative-sum) game that is affirmative action? [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;40117807]i was merely expressing my opinion, but if you'd like to tell me slavery was a bad idea then i'll gladly debate with you. i'm sick of people pretending slavery was a bad thing, when it spurred the greatest economic and technological achievements of mankind.[/QUOTE] I know you're being sarcastic but the economic devil's-advocate argument you're trying doesn't even hold water. Refer to Sobotnik's MD thread about the South's terrible economic situation.

[QUOTE=Episode;40114996][img]http://s14.postimg.org/4auaioqrl/1363843753020.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] This is so dumb. What do white people need to even fight for? And why do we care if whites are a minority too? Also, don't accuse me of being "racist" against whites, because I don't think we should care if other races are minorities either. Some of you are being blatantly racist too lmao.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40117814]Well of course, and there obviously are socioeconomic factors at play, but even accounting for SES and such, the gap still exists. [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4ify7vDXrDs/TPVry_bCnLI/AAAAAAAAGwQ/qCVluHcWuYE/s1600/_0_0_a_income_vs_math_sat_testf0.gif[/img] (SAT scores are a good approximation to IQ scores and [I]g[/I])[/quote] I'm not American so I'm not familiar with SATs - how are they usually taken? Is it a one-on-one thing or do they just give a classroom full of students the tests and tell them to go? Yes, it matters. There's a thing called "stereotype threat" where merely taking a test in the presence of people who are stereotyped as being smarter causes you to do worse. (Like a study in 2000 that had women taking math tests in the presence of different people - with two other women they scored an average of 70% and with two men they scored an average of 55%) And are they standardized across the country? If not, there could be bias in the tests. There could be bias in marking if they're not multiple-choice tests graded by machines, but again, I don't know much about SATs. Your income chart also doesn't account for the fact that many black slums are, unfortunately, worse than white slums when it comes to raising children. I'm guessing you have some of your own opinions on why that is but that's for another thread. [QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40117814]But if the minority person getting into a job is less competent than their subjunctive white or asian counterpart (which they are by definition if they couldn't get in with a colorblind selection process) then that inefficiency reverberates throughout the entire economy if applied on a large scale. Intelligent people produce [I]vast[/I] positive externalities - the amount they manage to capture with their higher income is just the tip of the iceberg. [b]If you want minorities to be better off, then why not simply give them tax breaks or state handouts[/b], instead of the zero-sum (in fact, negative-sum) game that is affirmative action?[/QUOTE] Because DainBramageStudios would complain about discrimination.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40117966]I'm not American so I'm not familiar with SATs - how are they usually taken? Is it a one-on-one thing or do they just give a classroom full of students the tests and tell them to go?[/quote] As far as I can tell it's a classroom thing. [quote]Yes, it matters. There's a thing called "stereotype threat" where merely taking a test in the presence of people who are stereotyped as being smarter causes you to do worse. (Like a study in 2000 that had women taking math tests in the presence of different people - with two other women they scored an average of 70% and with two men they scored an average of 55%)[/quote] [quote]The stereotype threat explanation of achievement gaps has attracted criticism. According to Paul R. Sackett, Chaitra M. Hardison, and Michael J. Cullen, both the media and scholarly literature have wrongly concluded that eliminating stereotype threat could completely eliminate differences in test performance between European-American and African-American individuals.[5] For example, Sackett et al. have pointed out that in Steele and Aronson's (1995) experiments where stereotype threat was removed, an achievement gap remained which was very close in size to that routinely reported between African-American and European-Americans' average scores on large-scale standardized tests such as the SAT (about one standard deviation). In subsequent correspondence between Sackett et al. and Steele and Aronson, Sackett et al. wrote that "They [Steele and Aronson] agree that it is a misinterpretation of the Steele and Aronson (1995) results to conclude that eliminating stereotype threat eliminates the African American-White test-score gap."[6] Gijsbert Stoet and David C. Geary reviewed the evidence for the stereotype threat explanation of the achievement gap in mathematics between men and women. They concluded that the relevant stereotype threat research has many methodological problems, such as not having a control group, and that the stereotype threat literature on this topic misrepresents itself as "well established". They concluded that the evidence is in fact very weak.[45] Whether the effect occurs at all has also been questioned, with researchers failing to replicate the finding. In followup work, Ganley et al. (2013) [7] examined stereotype threat on mathematics test performance. They report a series of 3 studies, with a total sample of 931 students. These included both childhood and adolescent subjects and three activation methods, ranging from implicit to explicit. While they found some evidence of gender differences in math, these occurred regardless of stereotype threat. Importantly, they found "no evidence that the mathematics performance of school-age girls was impacted by stereotype threat". In addition, they report that evidence for stereotype threat in children appears to be subject to publication bias. The literature may reflect selective publication of false-positive effects in underpowered studies, where large, well-controlled studies find smaller or non-significant effects. [7] In a study designed to see whether incentives could overcome stereotype threat in mathematics tests, Fryer Levitt and List (2008)[46] could not replicate the stereotype threat, finding a modest facilitation effect of threat for males and females.[/quote] In other words, stereotype threat at most exacerbates the gap which is already present; it doesn't explain it away. [quote]And are they standardized across the country?[/quote] yes [quote]Your income chart also doesn't account for the fact that many black slums are, unfortunately, worse than white slums when it comes to raising children. I'm guessing you have some of your own opinions on why that is but that's for another thread.[/quote] Even given that, I don't think that this would entirely explain the discrepancy. Things like mineral deficiencies do awful things to childhood brain development but that's more related to why sub-saharan african IQs are so low rather than in an affluent country like the USA. [quote]Because DainBramageStudios would complain about discrimination.[/QUOTE] lel seriously though why not? the increased economic output provided by the more competent workforce would contribute to the fund.