Whites to become minority in Metro Vancouver by 2031 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40117687]I mean explain to me why 27% of american nobel laureates are ashkenazi jewish, an ethnicity comprising 0.2% of the population[/QUOTE] the fact you didn't stop for a minute and consider the thousands of entirely sociological explanations for this is so funny [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] *sad

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40119694]but if you are proud of being white but condemn the history of being white then what's the point? you can't be proud of your group without being proud of that group's history, that's just silly[/QUOTE] Why? Where's that rule written? You made it up. By that logic all germans who're proud to be german support what hitler did. It's fucking bullshit. I told you "being proud of what the group is in the present". I'm not proud of being white, I don't see a reason for it. But you don't have to approve slavery and all the bullshit to be proud of being white.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40119712]IQ is also rising because the methodology is out of date[/QUOTE] Except multiple countries have been reporting their IQ rises to stall in the latter part of the 20th century. Some countries seem to record it in ways that make this factor questionable (especially given that when the Flynn effect was first spotted, it was dismissed as shoddy recording for a while). [quote]A century ago, nutritional deficiencies may have limited body and organ functionality, including skull volume. The first two years of life is a critical time for nutrition. The consequences of malnutrition can be irreversible and may include poor cognitive development, educability, and future economic productivity.[27] On the other hand, Flynn has pointed to 20-point gains on Dutch military (Raven's type) IQ tests between 1952, 1962, 1972, and 1982. He observes that the Dutch 18-year-olds of 1962 had a major nutritional handicap. They were either in the womb, or were recently born, during the great Dutch famine of 1944 – when German troops monopolized food and 18,000 people died of starvation.[28] Yet, concludes Flynn, "they do not show up even as a blip in the pattern of Dutch IQ gains. It is as if the famine had never occurred."[2][29] It appears that the effects of diet are gradual, taking effect over decades (affecting mother as well as child) rather than a few months.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40119751]Why? Where's that rule written? You made it up. By that logic all germans who're proud to be german support what hitler did. It's fucking bullshit. I told you "being proud of what the group is in the present". I'm not proud of being white, I don't see a reason for it. But you don't have to approve slavery and all the bullshit to be proud of being white.[/QUOTE] being proud of being german is more ok because german history involves more than just nazis! WHITE HISTORY INVOLVES NOTHING MORE THAN GENOCIDE. that's literally the common thing among white people. besides genocide and slavery, different white cultures share very little in common.

[QUOTE=thisispain;40115779][b] metal is far more misogynist, violent, and supportive of crime than hip-hop yet we dont talk about how it corrupted white people[/b] q: what makes black people different than they just cant handle listening to hip-hop without becoming "gangsta's"?[/QUOTE] The complaints about the hip-hop culture are amusing to me. They hate it for being violent and sexist while simultaneously enjoying other types of violent and sexist content in media. Certain FPSs and pornography come to mind.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;40119776]The complaints about the hip-hop culture are amusing to me. They hate it for being violent and sexist while simultaneously enjoying other types of violent and sexist content in media. Certain FPSs and pornography come to mind.[/QUOTE] But that stuff doesn't affect people! Didn't you hear all those persuasive arguments by video game and porn users in other threads?

and why would you be proud of your culture or nationality if you were not proud of your history? i mean what proud german doesn't look back at things like prussia and otto von bismark with a little bit of pride?(that's p. much the only german history i know). what proud italian doesn't feel proud about inheriting the legacy of the roman empire? or the great works of art and science that came from italy? if you asked an englishman why britain is a great place, they would probably talk your ear off about the great british empire that spanned the entire world.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40119658]Missed the point. You can be proud of what the group you belong to is in the present and condemn it's history. Those are not inseparable.[/QUOTE] things haven't really changed for white people as a whole though, i mean it's not like we can say "but hey look at us now!" when nothing is different for us specifically - obviously the whole world's doing much better these days, but we haven't had to do anything at all to earn a relatively nice life, compared to minorities in various countries that are still being oppressed today. basically white people have had it good, still have it good, and will most likely always have it good, and they're pretty much the only people with whom we can have that kind of certainty, so there isn't really much to say about what they've done other than "they're very lucky." but i'm sure you'd agree that luck isn't much to be proud about at all, and luck is pretty much the only thing white people have other than age-old stories of brutality that, as you say, would best be condemned for all they're worth.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40119813]and why would you be proud of your culture or nationality if you were not proud of your history? i mean what proud german doesn't look back at things like prussia and otto von bismark with a little bit of pride?(that's p. much the only german history i know). what proud italian doesn't feel proud about inheriting the legacy of the roman empire? or the great works of art and science that came from italy? if you asked an englishman why britain is a great place, they would probably talk your ear off about the great british empire that spanned the entire world.[/QUOTE] Ironically, my favourite Englishman is of French heritage.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40119867]Ironically, my favourite Englishman is of French heritage.[/QUOTE] william the bastard? that's the only "french" english guy i can think of.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40119949]william the bastard? that's the only "french" english guy i can think of.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isambard_Kingdom_Brunel[/url] Greatest engineer of all time, and his family left due to the revolution.

[QUOTE=thisispain;40115779][b] metal is far more misogynist, violent, and supportive of crime than hip-hop yet we dont talk about how it corrupted white people[/b] q: what makes black people different than they just cant handle listening to hip-hop without becoming "gangsta's"?[/QUOTE] Haha what since when, are you just going by what you've been told or are you just pulling that out your arse, general metal themes are far more tame in those areas in general than hiphop/gangsta rap anyway I thought norwegian nazi black metal died out in the 90's

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40119438]no but if you are proud of your white history of oppressing minorities then yea you are pretty racist. that's the only thing whites have that tie them together. white people are too varied(english, german, russian, italian, etc.) to really have a common history except their history of how they enslaved and murdered lots of people. [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] we could do a legit analysis of both hip hop and metal genres and see what sort of trends emerge. that's a lot of work tho...[/QUOTE] then again, I guess there isn't anything to be really proud for being white. I dont think most normal people dont even think about it as "their race oppressed another", and think of it more like "some people with the same race oppressed the people of other races", like something that they have nothing to do with [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Cone;40119402]actually i'd say that whether or not you advocate genocide is p. relevant because if you did that would put you literally on the same level as a neo-Nazi, and there's a very good reason we don't let dues like that talk about this kind of shit. hint: it's because they have no idea what they're talking about[/QUOTE] Missing the point. Already explained it twice that it was pure bad reading and answering, and then nobody gave a shit about the rc post.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40114998] lol this is ignoring that white pride means the oppression of other races[/QUOTE] I'm not White and I see this hypocracy. :smile: It's pretty obvious, racial pride in general is kind of pointless for all races. Of course the modern liberal has this obsession with standing up for the little guy no matter what, they want to be like the anti-slavery movement or civil rights movement.. The problem is that they support groups like Hezbollah and radical Afro-Marxist groups which are violent and insane.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40120394]I'm not White and I see this hypocracy. :smile: It's pretty obvious, racial pride in general is kind of pointless for all races. Of course the modern liberal has this obsession with standing up for the little guy no matter what, they want to be like the anti-slavery movement or civil rights movement.. The problem is that they support groups like Hezbollah and radical Afro-Marxist groups which are violent and insane.[/QUOTE] people won't take you seriously if you generalize every person who considers themselves the 'modern liberal'

There is no truly scientific basis for the argument that intelligence levels differ between races. Especially since scientists have found more genetic diversity within a particular race than exists between the races in general. [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] 'Race' itself is a social construct. Physical attributes between human beings originating from different areas differ because those areas have different climactic conditions and adaptation to those environments has occured over generations. National borders are all that really determine a 'race'.

[QUOTE=archangel125;40120539]There is no truly scientific basis for the argument that intelligence levels differ between races. Especially since scientists have found more genetic diversity within a particular race than exists between the races in general.[/QUOTE] They can differ based upon the presence of pollutants in local food/water supplies, malnutrition, and disease. I would say that if you measured the IQ of any farmer and compared it to his fuedal landlord, you would find a massive disparity. However with the advent of the industrial revolution, these factors (most especially the nutritional side and water supplies) have immensely improved, with the biggest gains for those who never had them before.

time for another holocaust I guess; [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Tasteless/Why Reply" - Megafan))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40119770]being proud of being german is more ok because german history involves more than just nazis! WHITE HISTORY INVOLVES NOTHING MORE THAN GENOCIDE. that's literally the common thing among white people. besides genocide and slavery, different white cultures share very little in common.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure every single culture out there has their own genocides and war crimes. "I'm proud of being human" must mean that I'm proud of all the fucking wars and shit we've had because that's litterally the common thing among humans. [QUOTE=yawmwen;40119770]and why would you be proud of your culture or nationality if you were not proud of your history?[/QUOTE] So every german proud of being german is proud of what their ancestors did to jews? [QUOTE=yawmwen;40119770]i mean what proud german doesn't look back at things like prussia and otto von bismark with a little bit of pride?(that's p. much the only german history i know). what proud italian doesn't feel proud about inheriting the legacy of the roman empire? or the great works of art and science that came from italy? if you asked an englishman why britain is a great place, they would probably talk your ear off about the great british empire that spanned the entire world.[/QUOTE] So you can pick and choose what you like and what you're proud of or not? Pretty sure white people were doing more than just GENOCIDE before 1900s.

[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;40114925]It should really be mandatory to know a country's language before you're allowed to move there. [/QUOTE] Isn't there some kind of citizenship test? I've heard of one here in the UK

[QUOTE=Tacooo;40120639]Isn't there some kind of citizenship test? I've heard of one here in the UK[/QUOTE] You take a test in Canada and it's a requirement to know English or French. Of course marriage, refugee's, family, etc get these special privileges.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40120621]Pretty sure every single culture out there has their own genocides and war crimes. "I'm proud of being human" must mean that I'm proud of all the fucking wars and shit we've had because that's litterally the common thing among humans. So every german proud of being german is proud of what their ancestors did to jews? So you can pick and choose what you like and what you're proud of or not? Pretty sure white people were doing more than just GENOCIDE before 1900s.[/QUOTE] So, what can white people as a whole say to have in common, in terms of accomplishments? Producing inventions at a time when other races were essentially barred from doing so in their countries, or at a time when immigration between them didn't exist? Italians may be able to celebrate renaissance culture with regard to art and philosophy, or Germans with regard to psychology, or the French with their own art and music, but to claim all of these things as 'White' does a disservice to the places they come from.

[QUOTE=Megafan;40120688] Italians may be able to celebrate renaissance culture with regard to art and philosophy, or Germans with regard to psychology, or the French with their own art and music, but to claim all of these things as 'White' does a disservice to the places they come from.[/QUOTE] Celebrating national/regional/Cultural accomplishments is just as legitimate as celebrating Racial/ethnic accomplishments. You didn't actually do anything yourself. Some group's such as the Irish and Italian's were even separated from being considered white just a century ago. Also seriously guys, every single racial group has committed genocide and launched wars that have killed millions. Not just the white people.

[QUOTE=dass;40120097]Missing the point. Already explained it twice that it was pure bad reading and answering, and then nobody gave a shit about the rc post.[/QUOTE] would you mind showing me this post? because you [I]did[/I] say this: [QUOTE=dass;38186573][QUOTE=En Ex;38182444]Are you all fucking kidding me? Hitler murdered hundreds of thousands of Gypsies (Roma and Sinti) in a similar way to how the Jews and other groups were targeted. No one deserves this kind of treatment.[/QUOTE] You wouldn't say the same after living here.[/QUOTE] this: [QUOTE=dass;38187609]I don't think I replied to you, mainly because you said nothing worth mentioning and of no substance either. But I'll reply to this... It is a lifestyle choice. Nobody is making them deal drugs. Nobody is forcing them to live in a shithole of a hut. Nobody is forcing them to steal stuff. Nobody is forcing them to kill anyone. "But they are discriminated!" Guess what? They aren't the only imigrants in the country, yet, they are the ones with the worst reputation by a mile. Another fun fact: most of them have no jobs whatsoever and they still get government paychecks per kid. Don't you think theres a reason why nobody gives them jobs? I'm certain that they weren't set aside as soon as they got here, and that they actually dug their own hole. You wouldn't say anything like that if you lived around these parts. You can't ride a bike or walk along the roads occupied by their houses because you're bound to get a visit from a few. You sometimes can't even pass by in a car because they'll throw rocks at you. Hell, you can't even put reflecting marks on the road without having them completely broken by them. Non-gypsies do steal. Thing is, they don't hold a candle to a single gypsy.[/QUOTE] this: [QUOTE=dass;39011692]Oh, so, what would you call an ethnicity that wreaks of corruption and just overall bad and truthful reputation? Would you want it in your country having the same or more benefits than most people who actually do something for a living and don't follow the same stained paths? How do you explain how for example gypsies in Europe are generally unwanted while lots of other ethnicities are A-ok? It's pretty easy for anyone outside of the whole matter to call someone a racist for not wanting an ethnicity out of their country without knowing even half the problems that come with it, which appears to be the rule here. The word "racist" here needs a whole stronger meaning, since one is labeled a racist for saying something as simple as "gypsies cause problems"[/QUOTE] and this: [QUOTE=dass;39011977]One of. Not all of them, by far. And they don't fit. Their culture is far more different from most people. It's almost like taking someone from a tribe located in a far land and putting him in a big city. Something bad is bound to happen because he doesn't follows or even knows the same rules as anyone else. [b]But that doesn't means I'm justifying it with genocide. That's just twisting words and just fishing for an excuse to ban someone.[/b][/QUOTE] that's a LOT of misunderstandings if you're trying to tell me that you meant absolutely none of this bullshit and honestly i'm finding your excuse pretty fucking flimsy at this point, so either stop hiding behind this crap or don't talk about shit you know nothing about. at this point you might as well admit that you're genocidal, because you'd have to be illiterate if you're gonna tell me that you didn't understand what you or anyone else was saying, and you seem to speak English pretty damn well until someone calls you out for being a fucking Hitler Youth.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40120718]Celebrating national/regional/Cultural accomplishments is just as legitimate as celebrating Racial/ethnic accomplishments. You didn't actually do anything yourself. Some group's such as the Irish and Italian's were even separated from being considered white just a century ago.[/quote] The point isn't whether or not those people were White, the point is that you shouldn't celebrate accomplishments equally if one is produced in an environment where you've prevented any competition. If we're talking on the basis of race, then that would be an environment where little to no minorities would be able to achieve those same accomplishments through some act of war or discrimination, or what have you. [QUOTE=Rangergxi;40120718]Also seriously guys, every single racial group has committed genocide and launched wars that have killed millions. Not just the white people.[/QUOTE] Yeah, except no one's saying "Minorities never wage war, never do anything bad, and are always perfect", but to ignore the fact that White groups have done so on a larger scale historically and most recently compared to all other groups is ludicrous.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40120718] Also seriously guys, every single racial group has committed genocide and launched wars that have killed millions. Not just the white people.[/QUOTE] I'm sure the Australian natives have done plenty of that.

[QUOTE=Megafan;40120688]So, what can white people as a whole say to have in common, in terms of accomplishments? Producing inventions at a time when other races were essentially barred from doing so in their countries, or at a time when immigration between them didn't exist? Italians may be able to celebrate renaissance culture with regard to art and philosophy, or Germans with regard to psychology, or the French with their own art and music, but to claim all of these things as 'White' does a disservice to the places they come from.[/QUOTE] I don't know. I'm not proud of being white. I don't think there's any reason you should be proud of the climate your ancestors lived in. But to say that "I'm proud of being white" equals to saying "I approve of all the atrocities that white people did including slavery and genocide" and saying that to be proud of your culture or nationality you have to be proud of it's history is pretty stupid. You can condemn what your ancestors did and be proud of what your culture/nationality is in present times. If not then every american who's proud of his country or of being american approves slavery.

[QUOTE=Megafan;40120688]So, what can white people as a whole say to have in common, in terms of accomplishments?[/QUOTE] surviving the black death [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Silly Sil;40118258][url=http://i.imgur.com/EzsICAC.jpg]Dude...[/url] Uhhhh. You know that this and the economic difference come from the fact that they were pushed into ghettos and many of them are still poor to this day? It might as well say "poor people", "rich people". Plus it's a self perpetuating circle. Poor -> bad education -> poor -> bad education and so on. It doesn't come from the fact that they're black. At least not on that scale. Assuming the same exact education, culture and various other factors, the difference in overall IQ would be small, if any. You can measure IQ of white people from some poor neighborhood and compare it to the IQ of the rest of whites and it would look similar. Correlation not causation.[/QUOTE] Actually the effect is still prominent when you control for socioeconomic status (and also level of education, and socioeconomic background (i.e. the SES of parents)). This is a really basic objection, do you think scientists haven't considered it? [QUOTE=archangel125;40119554]If those stats aren't bullshit, they still don't mean a thing. Look up 'internalized oppression', and also the documentary called "Blue eyes, brown eyes". [B]A group which is systemically oppressed (And oppression doesn't mean they're slaves or segregated, just that they have, in general a lower social class and fewer opportunities to prosper) will actually result in lower intelligence scores among the oppressed demographic - They lose a lot of confidence in themselves. In the study, they found that people who became free of that oppression had much higher scores of intelligence tests - And just a day later.[/B][/quote] I've already responded to this, these sorts of studies often fail to replicate and suffer from significant publication bias. [quote][B]Also IQ is bullshit.[/B][/QUOTE] No it's actually one of the most well-researched and validated things ever produced in psychology. I would advise you to [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)]read up.[/url] [QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;40119682]When was this study conducted and who was it conducted by?[/QUOTE] It was the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Longitudinal_Surveys]National Youth Longitudinal Survey[/url] conducted by the US Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics. I picked this one because despite it being a bit dated, the sample size is gigantic. There are other similar, later studies which show pretty much the same thing. [QUOTE=Zeke129;40119712]IQ is also rising because the methodology is out of date[/QUOTE] What do you mean [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40119717]the fact you didn't stop for a minute and consider the thousands of entirely sociological explanations for this is so funny [editline]1st April 2013[/editline] *sad[/QUOTE] I did consider the sociological explanations. I am aware of how Jews were forced into cognitively demanding jobs throughout history (in the banking industry etc.) and how the Jewish diaspora is rather closely knit which somewhat explains their prominence in the higher echelons of society. However I don't find these explanations especially compelling to explain why Jews are 135 times more likely (did I do that right? I'm not sure whether you can do it with percentages like that. Anyways 27% of Nobel Laureates from 0.2% of the population is pretty big regardless of how you slice it) to end up winning the Nobel Prize. Jews have historically been marginalized so one would expect this to cancel out the positive effect of cultural knowledge somewhat - the proposed purely sociological mechanism by which Jews have risen to such academic prominence must be very strong indeed. You can't say that "black people are discriminated against so they have lower IQs" and "jews are discriminated against so they have higher IQs". It's one or the other. Remember that some of the reasons postulated for a genetic cause of Ashkenazi intelligence are the strong selection pressures imposed on them by their historic marginalization into such professions, so I predict that the real explanation will turn out to be some kind of synthesis of the two. [QUOTE=archangel125;40120539]There is no truly scientific basis for the argument that intelligence levels differ between races. Especially since scientists have found more genetic diversity within a particular race than exists between the races in general.[/quote] These are not mutually exclusive. In fact you can see both of these things in the graph I posted before. The variance within the two races is larger than the difference in the means of the two of them. Yeah, so? [img]http://i.imgur.com/lrwXDnZ.png[/img] [quote]'Race' itself is a social construct. Physical attributes between human beings originating from different areas differ because those areas have different climactic conditions and adaptation to those environments has occured over generations. National borders are all that really determine a 'race'.[/QUOTE] I never said anything about national borders? I'm talking about the "Physical attributes between human beings originating from different areas differ because those areas have different climactic conditions and adaptation to those environments has occured over generations". I'm saying that in addition to those different physical attributes there are different psychological attributes.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40117687]ok [IMG]http://www.amfirstbooks.com/IntroPages/NonToolbarTopics/IdeologicalQuiz/Quiz-3-Commentary/Commentary_Art/IQ_graph_racial%20-NVangd20060122.jpg[/IMG] asians and ashkenazi jews are higher than whites too I mean explain to me why 27% of american nobel laureates are ashkenazi jewish, an ethnicity comprising 0.2% of the population[/QUOTE] This is officially the worst post I ever read. I'm surprised that's not considered racism too.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40120857]Actually the effect is still prominent when you control for socioeconomic status (and also level of education, and socioeconomic background (i.e. the SES of parents)). This is a really basic objection, do you think scientists haven't considered it?[/QUOTE] So the graph shows IQ of whites and blacks living in the same neighborhoods, going to the same schools and who have having similar income?