Proposed Army manual tells G.I.s not to insult Taliban or speak up for women - Polidicks

[QUOTE=credesniper;38816376]It makes sense. It's their culture and has been going on for a long time. Even though many may mislike it, it's not our place to reform their culture.[/QUOTE] yeah, let's just allow them to continue using women as sex slaves and attacking everyone who vaguely acknowledges their existence. it's just their culture, so it's fine.

[QUOTE=minilandstan;38818080]You need to understand that different isn't always wrong, just because they do things differently than us doesn't make them savages, it just makes them different. Imagine a world where we're the minority, our way of life is in their light, we would be called savages, and they would be the civilized ones. Yes you might not agree with it, but in your own words, you can get over it, people are going to have opinions. Now don't be so aggressive about it and let them have their own way of life.[/QUOTE] lol yes lets let them have their own way of life by oppressing and abusing women its a matter of perspective guise!! we're the savages!!!!1

What kind of fucked up culture has pedophila as an acceptable practice.

[QUOTE=minilandstan;38818080]You need to understand that different isn't always wrong, just because they do things differently than us doesn't make them savages, it just makes them different. Imagine a world where we're the minority, our way of life is in their light, we would be called savages, and they would be the civilized ones. Yes you might not agree with it, but in your own words, you can get over it, people are going to have opinions. Now don't be so aggressive about it and let them have their own way of life.[/QUOTE] No actually it does sort of make them savages since a double-standard and complete moral corruption is sort of necessary to rape someone. We can't let rape and mutilation go by just on the basis of not wanting to impose. It just happens that American soldiers aren't the kind of people who can to solve this problem once and for all.

[QUOTE=minilandstan;38818080]You need to understand that different isn't always wrong, just because they do things differently than us doesn't make them savages, it just makes them different. Imagine a world where we're the minority, our way of life is in their light, we would be called savages, and they would be the civilized ones. Yes you might not agree with it, but in your own words, you can get over it, people are going to have opinions. Now don't be so aggressive about it and let them have their own way of life.[/QUOTE] Yes, if we were living in the 1700's and we were having a discussion about native Americans, I'd agree with you. But we're talking about Afghanistan. Rape isn't looked down upon, arranged marriages involving children, and "eye for an eye" vigilante judicial system, burning down schools for teaching girls, It is literally ass backwards.

[QUOTE=MR-X;38816486]So what they keep their mouths shut at FOBS and other bases because we got some sensitive afghans living around them? Its pretty funny though, they hate our guts and what we stand for. But they sure as hell will take our evil westerner money.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, I didn't know that reform their culture is a matter of strategic importance!

[QUOTE=credesniper;38816376]It's their culture and has been going on for a long time. Even though many may mislike it, it's not our place to reform their culture.[/QUOTE] And so we should ignore how they abuse human rights just because it is culturally fine for them to do so? Their culture needs to change,one way or the other.

-snip- fuck it

[QUOTE=znk666;38819010]And so we should ignore how they abuse human rights just because it is culturally fine for them to do so? Their culture needs to change,one way or the other.[/QUOTE] And we should change it forcibly, right? Occupy the 'less-civilized', 'backwards' countries so we can instill proper Christian morals in the savage peoples? What you are suggesting is exactly the same as 18th and 19th century imperialism. Europe learned the hard way that it doesn't work out.

[QUOTE=znk666;38819010]And so we should ignore how they abuse human rights just because it is culturally fine for them to do so? Their culture needs to change,one way or the other.[/QUOTE] [quote]Take up the White Man’s burden— Send forth the best ye breed— Go send your sons to exile To serve your captives' need To wait in heavy harness On fluttered folk and wild— Your new-caught, sullen peoples, Half devil and half child Take up the White Man’s burden In patience to abide To veil the threat of terror And check the show of pride; By open speech and simple An hundred times made plain To seek another’s profit And work another’s gain Take up the White Man’s burden— And reap his old reward: The blame of those ye better The hate of those ye guard— The cry of hosts ye humour (Ah slowly) to the light: "Why brought ye us from bondage, “Our loved Egyptian night?” Take up the White Man’s burden- Have done with childish days- The lightly proffered laurel, The easy, ungrudged praise. Comes now, to search your manhood Through all the thankless years, Cold-edged with dear-bought wisdom, The judgment of your peers![/quote]

Does this include not speaking up for women that aren't islamic? It'd be pretty shit if female soldiers would have to take this crap.

[QUOTE=PaChIrA;38819622]Does this include not speaking up for women that aren't islamic? It'd be pretty shit if female soldiers would have to take this crap.[/QUOTE] probably not it's a soldier/soldier communication and is thus unrelated

I wonder if the women who got stood up for appreciated the sentiment or actually felt it was wrong as well.

[QUOTE=Badunkadunk;38819667]I wonder if the women who got stood up for appreciated the sentiment or actually felt it was wrong as well.[/QUOTE] depends on the individual. Also they might have appreciated it inside but not expressed it due to fear of reprisal

[QUOTE=SKEEA;38816545]Sorry, but fuck the Taliban, women deserve better rights over here, and fucking little boys and girls is wrong. Fucking deal with it. Also, afghan forces suck in combat, and I don't feel comfortable around them as I don't want to get raped like they did to some soldiers over here. No one is going to pay attention to this handbook, and if they think that we will, they are farther removed from the actual shit that happens here than I thought.[/QUOTE] Trying to change their culture is only going to make them want to be more extreme.

I've said this so many times I must sound like a broken record. Let them do what they want, fuck it. Let's just leave please and let them shoot each other to hell and forget about it. I've lost so many friends in combat and friends who've lost brothers to these backwards-ass people it's not even funny. Yes, there are good people who I feel sorry that they're getting caught in it, but they have two choices: -Fight it, and when they've beaten some common sense into their country, maybe then we'll get involved. -Leave the country. Hell, the United States accepts more refugees than any other country, let's channel more funds into that than sending troops over to kill people.

People need to realize that women held rights in the past. Hell in the 50s they did not even have to wear full veils in the cities. Kabul used to be somewhat modernized. They could show faces and ankles. It was the same for much of the middle east, current Islamic extremism is a modern thing. Anyways it is not as if 100% of afghans are for suppressing women and considering abandoning the people trying to make headway there is wrong. History will be the judge.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;38816772] Afghan locals HATE the Taliban..[/QUOTE] I can confirm that true. The bad part is we have horribly untrained forces attempting to protect us and failing miserably.

just fucking annex it

[QUOTE=abcpea2;38823175]just fucking annex it[/QUOTE] annex what Talitopia? [editline]14th December 2012[/editline] And someone needs to teach the afgan army how to fight

[QUOTE=credesniper;38816376]It makes sense. It's their culture and has been going on for a long time. Even though many may mislike it, it's not our place to reform their culture.[/QUOTE] Lol when their culture is pedophilia and the degradation of women then yes it is our place to reform it.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;38823336]Lol when their culture is pedophilia and the degradation of women then yes it is our place to reform it.[/QUOTE] Gotta educate the uncivilized natives to be 'proper' people, right?

[QUOTE=catbarf;38823436]Gotta educate the uncivilized natives to be 'proper' people, right?[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's imperialism to stop pedophilia.

[QUOTE=catbarf;38823436]Gotta educate the uncivilized natives to be 'proper' people, right?[/QUOTE] So you say there's nothing wrong with pedophilia and treating women as sub-humans?

God damn imperialist pig dogs trying to pull me off my sex slave.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;38823468]So you say there's nothing wrong with pedophilia and treating women as sub-humans?[/QUOTE] Of course there's something wrong with it. But the long and colorful history of European history has shown over and over and over [I]and over and over and over again[/I] that if you try to forcibly alter and 'modernize' a culture, no matter how positive your intentions, you'll do far more harm than good, breed the utter resentment of everybody involved and everybody spectating, and probably spawn some new and exciting flavor of anti-Western insurgent movement. See: The entire continent of Africa. That stuff has never worked and I don't think it'll start working now. So yeah, you might fix the pedophilia and misogyny. Or you might create another Somalia. Of these two scenarios, one has actually happened- can you guess which?

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38816526]If keeping our mouths shut about their ass backwards culture is the price to pay to keep them from shooting our soldiers in the back when they're eating lunch, then so be it. We're not there to reform their culture anyways, we're supposed to train them so they can take care of themselves so we can get the hell out of that shit hole.[/QUOTE] If that is what we are saving, then we may as well just leave and let them descend into chaos. Utter chaos and poverty are better than solidifying this bullshit. We validate governments and cultures by recognizing them and trading with them. We may not be able to change their culture, but we can sure as hell not prop it up. From our cultural standpoint, they are barbarians who take great pleasure in doing terrible things to other human beings. My culture says fuck them and the horse they rode in on.

[QUOTE=credesniper;38816376]It makes sense. It's their culture and has been going on for a long time. Even though many may mislike it, it's not our place to reform their culture.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's not our place to stop child and women abuse. It's their norm :)

[QUOTE=GunFox;38823667]If that is what we are saving, then we may as well just leave and let them descend into chaos. Utter chaos and poverty are better than solidifying this bullshit. We validate governments and cultures by recognizing them and trading with them. We may not be able to change their culture, but we can sure as hell not prop it up. From our cultural standpoint, they are barbarians who take great pleasure in doing terrible things to other human beings. My culture says fuck them and the horse they rode in on.[/QUOTE] "Fuck em"... I like the sound of that

[QUOTE=GunFox;38823667]If that is what we are saving, then we may as well just leave and let them descend into chaos. Utter chaos and poverty are better than solidifying this bullshit. We validate governments and cultures by recognizing them and trading with them. We may not be able to change their culture, but we can sure as hell not prop it up. From our cultural standpoint, they are barbarians who take great pleasure in doing terrible things to other human beings. My culture says fuck them and the horse they rode in on.[/QUOTE] Honestly, I'd agree to get the fuck out of there. No country or empire has ever been able to tame or conquer Afghanistan, not the Soviets, not the British, not the Persians, not Ghengis Khan, and neither will the US. We should just cut our losses and get the fuck out.