Only 9% of citizens think America should intervene in Syria - Polidicks

I really think we should let US rest on this one and pass it along to someone else. After all, bankruptcy is not far away and i doubt a new war will add to the funds.

[QUOTE=Brodi;41982446]Well the United States has to step in when everyone else would rather stand back and let them tear themselves apart. Not saying my country does EVERYTHING right, but when they are using chemical weapons against their own people, how can you say its so wrong to step in?[/QUOTE] Look at the historical record. America hasn't successfully liberated a country since we stormed Normandy in 1944. Korea: Clusterfuck. Vietnam: Unmitigated failure. Desert Storm: We stopped half-way in. Iraq, again: The country's more unstable with the new government than it was with the old. Afghanistan: Unmitigated failure, and now that entire part of the world save israel hates us. We have no business going to syria. We've done enough damage already. Let the other western nations handle this one.[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;41982495]So happy to see that the American public is finally getting over the idea that the US can march in and fix every other country's problems.[/QUOTE] The public never thought that at all.

Watch as the ruling class do it anyway because... bombs will help bring them freedom... again... just like Iraq

Well this is no surprise - the conservatives think it's a waste of money and the liberals think it's immoral and not going to help anyone.

Thanks god people are finally realising that USA is not the designated international police.

[QUOTE=Blazyd;41981380]One of my friends is getting deployed to Syria soon. He's in the army special forces and he said they're supposed to "find their chemicals weapons and take them"[/QUOTE] Loose Lips Sink Ships, man!

We should go to spectator mode

I guess it all boils down to the phrase "With great power comes great responsibility." When another nation struggles with oppression and civil or national warfare, other leaders/nations feel obliged to help in whatever way they deem necessary. (This is of course the idealistic reason, it's something else entirely when nations use problem like these as facades to covertly use their operations to promote their own interests like oil procurement, but I won't go into that) The problem is that it's easier to send troops, weapons and supplies to boost what we perceive as the "righteous" side, where we should supply diplomats, encourage to communications or set up a better plan for helping fugitives of the conflict.

The ignorance in this thread is hilarious, I can't believe people are more concerned about their countries deficit or being called world police. In some situations where people use WMDs against civilians little things like that need to be ignored. People should look at the bigger picture and stop being so self centred.

[QUOTE=TestECull;41982722]Look at the historical record. America hasn't successfully liberated a country since we stormed Normandy in 1944. Korea: Clusterfuck. Vietnam: Unmitigated failure. Desert Storm: We stopped half-way in. Iraq, again: The country's more unstable with the new government than it was with the old. Afghanistan: Unmitigated failure, and now that entire part of the world save israel hates us. We have no business going to syria. We've done enough damage already. Let the other western nations handle this one. The public never thought that at all.[/QUOTE] Desert Storm was an great success. Our objective was clearly defined - get Iraq out of Kuwait, and we did just that. Our goal wasn't to get rid of Saddam, though it would have been a bonus. [editline]27th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Jsm;41983333]The ignorance in this thread is hilarious, I can't believe people are more concerned about their countries deficit or being called world police. In some situations where people use WMDs against civilians little things like that need to be ignored. People should look at the bigger picture and stop being so self centred.[/QUOTE] I'm probably one of the minority whose biggest reason they don't want to touch Syria is because I don't want American blood spilled in a conflict not ours.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;41983427] I'm probably one of the minority whose biggest reason they don't want to touch Syria is because I don't want American blood spilled in a conflict not ours.[/QUOTE] That's entirely reasonable and I somewhat agree. Its probably why the options that are being considered (cruise missiles / air strikes) are the only ones being given any serious thought.

I don't see it as our [The United States] responsibility to secure the freedom of every oppressed nation on this rock. We have too many domestic issues to iron out and find effective long term solutions so we can remain stable. As awful as it is to see all of those dead or dying innocent people on the news and in videos I just can't help but disconnect myself because I know that as good as it would be to steamroll out the oppressive government I think we are all aware of the fact that another oppressive regime would just rotate into the position. The cycle continues and never ends; so why break ourselves trying to play world dad?

They can take care of their own country and from what I know, they don't want our help anyway, so why should we help them?

And what money are they going to fund the war effort with exactly.

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;41983603]And what money are they going to fund the war effort with exactly.[/QUOTE] Same as last time. They'll just borrow more.

I say, let the country sort out its own problems.

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;41983647]Same as last time. They'll just borrow more.[/QUOTE] Thats, uh, not possible. We reach our "borrowing authority" come October.

Yeah of course you do.

[QUOTE=areolop;41983933]Thats, uh, not possible. We reach our "borrowing authority" come October.[/QUOTE] And we'll just raise it again.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;41983511]I don't see it as our [The United States] responsibility to secure the freedom of every oppressed nation on this rock. We have too many domestic issues to iron out and find effective long term solutions so we can remain stable. As awful as it is to see all of those dead or dying innocent people on the news and in videos I just can't help but disconnect myself because I know that as good as it would be to steamroll out the oppressive government I think we are all aware of the fact that another oppressive regime would just rotate into the position. The cycle continues and never ends; so why break ourselves trying to play world dad?[/QUOTE] In THIS instance, we are not trying to secure their freedom or change the tide of the civil war. We are going to teach Assad a lesson that it is NOT ok to throw WMD's around like its no problem. Especially when your killing civilians by the hundreds.

[QUOTE=Brodi;41985024]In THIS instance, we are not trying to secure their freedom or change the tide of the civil war. We are going to teach Assad a lesson that it is NOT ok to throw WMD's around like its no problem. Especially when your killing civilians by the hundreds.[/QUOTE] Is it 100% certain that it was him?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;41985117]Is it 100% certain that it was him?[/QUOTE] That's what they investigating. They are going to release a report with supporting evidence before any action is taken. "Another official said the intelligence report would include forensic evidence and intercepted communications among Syrian military commanders" [url]http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/27/politics/us-syria/index.html?hpt=hp_t1[/url]

What's the point of this polls, like American government ever, ever, ever gave a single fuck about what it's people think.

[QUOTE=TestECull;41982722]Look at the historical record. America hasn't successfully liberated a country since we stormed Normandy in 1944. Korea: Clusterfuck. Vietnam: Unmitigated failure. Desert Storm: We stopped half-way in. Iraq, again: The country's more unstable with the new government than it was with the old. Afghanistan: Unmitigated failure, and now that entire part of the world save israel hates us.[/QUOTE] South Korea turned out fine though?

[QUOTE=TestECull;41982722]Look at the historical record. America hasn't successfully liberated a country since we stormed Normandy in 1944. Korea: Clusterfuck. Vietnam: Unmitigated failure. Desert Storm: We stopped half-way in. Iraq, again: The country's more unstable with the new government than it was with the old. Afghanistan: Unmitigated failure, and now that entire part of the world save israel hates us.[/QUOTE] Don't forget Panama and all the other Proxy wars and political subterfuge conducted in South America in the 70's and 80's.