The point of Steam is to combat piracy. Origin, Impulse, whatever are not the competition. The people that distribute it for free are. Even if Steam was the only legal digital distribution platform for games they would still offer great deals because they're up against Bittorrent and Usenet.
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[QUOTE=The Baconator;34518686]Well that's too bad, since the majority of people think otherwise. Consumers control the market you know.[/QUOTE]
Well, tough shit for everyone else. What if I want to play a game without using the system they all want to? I have to miss out. Just because everybody uses something does not mean alternatives cannot be used, there is nothing wrong with Origin as a system, stop being fanchildren. Steam is good, yes. But one, actually decent, competing system shows up, and suddenly you all shit yourself.
If you know Origin is no good and won't get anywhere, why do you need to repeatedly bash it? You could just, I don't know, ignore it? Giving it no attention would give EA the idea that maybe Origin isn't that great an idea. Straight up telling them it sucks doesn't, unless you have objective proof it's bad (you don't).
I don't see why there's so many "oh it's good that steam is finally getting some competition now" posts. There are [b]way[/b] better alternatives to Origin that have been competing with Steam for a while now. Sure, they don't have the same hold on the market as Steam does, but that's because most people prefer Steam. Off the top of my head there is Good Old Games, Direct 2 Drive, Green Man Gaming, and more. If the people at Valve became greedy dickholes then I'm sure people would switch to retail or to these other online distributors.
It's not as if Origin is the first "competition" Steam has had. I'm getting that vibe from a lot of posts in this thread. If anything most people are only using Origin due to BF3.
Origin is definitely far from perfect but I can't seem to shake the feeling that many posts here are just uninformed or basically defending "why bother with anything new since what we have now works".
Well does anyone remember the first time Steam came around? It was buggy as hell, very temperamental and was required for CS 1.6. Steam gathered steam (pardon the pun, not intended) slowly but as the market for online distribution services grew since it was pretty much without competition it quickly dominated the scene. Now it is pretty much standard and works pretty well, but that does not mean we shouldn't have alternatives. I do not exactly agree with monopoly worries since Steam cannot be a true monopoly as long as there are other distribution services around (mostly physical distribution companies) and raising prices and shafting the customers will severely hurt them, but having a little competition is never a bad thing and either Origin will fail and won't cause any issues or it will force Steam to evolve which will benefit us the customers.
My favorite part about this article is how EA is saying they are becoming one of the "leading online game 'services'" with how many users they have
Newsflash, people just installing your program because its forced in order to play your games does NOT count as giving people a service. If you compare how many sales they actually get through Origin vs. their registered user base, it's probably abysmally low. Meanwhile, I'm sure at least 60-70% of steam's user base has specifically bought games and DLC through steam.
We're not even getting into the fact that people who play BF3 or any EA game now on ANY console have to now sign up for Origin. They are basically like China - all of their growth is "fake" and doesn't have any actual value yet.
Now if they start doing crazy sales, great features and support like Steam, then we'd actually have a DRM platform turn into a service. Not there yet though. And honestly, I can't see them ever doing that.
[editline]3rd February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=hexpunK;34518163]BattleLog by itself is a great system. Nothing wrong with liking it.[/QUOTE]
The only thing wrong with it is that it would have made much more sense to integrate it all within the game itself instead, but still let there be some kind of web-based system to access when not in-game.
Or hell, they could have even just made it so clicking "battlelog" in-game would just load up the battlelog website in-game. I hate not being able to switch servers and such without having to go completely out of game. Not to mention it's IMPOSSIBLE to talk to anyone messaging you on battlelog while you are in-game, unless you alt-tab.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;34513807]I may not like EA's buisness practices, but it's good to see that steam's dangerous monopoly on digitally downloaded games is getting some competition.[/QUOTE]
Its not a monopoly and how is it dangerous? There has been other options for years.
[editline]2nd February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=skifer;34513991]This is good don't worry it will create a monopolistic competition. This is a good sign that PC gaming is getting more popular with the cake getting bigger other firms want a slice of it. This will mean more competition and cheaper prices for all games. Also whoever produces the best goods and services will remain on top i.e. steam.[/QUOTE]
Its not competition when you don't get to choose where to download your games from. It was bad when valve did it but nothing compared to a huge publisher doing it to their games.
[QUOTE=KorJax;34519319]The only thing wrong with it is that it would have made much more sense to integrate it all within the game itself instead, but still let there be some kind of web-based system to access when not in-game.
Or hell, they could have even just made it so clicking "battlelog" in-game would just load up the battlelog website in-game. I hate not being able to switch servers and such without having to go completely out of game. Not to mention it's IMPOSSIBLE to talk to anyone messaging you on battlelog while you are in-game, unless you alt-tab.[/QUOTE]
It would be nice to get some form of in-game browser. But DICE have a history of shitty in game browsers, so I'm quite thankful for Battlelog. And BF3 doesn't take too long to restart thankfully. Not being able to talk to people through Battlelog once you get in game is a pain in the ass though, I agree on that. Having an in-game browser would always be nice, but they'd have to make it worth using (as in, it doesn't take 5 minutes to update like BC2 did).
Origin's layout for everything annoys the piss out of me; it's so unorganized and cluttered feeling even if it's not.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;34513807]I may not like EA's buisness practices, but it's good to see that steam's dangerous monopoly on digitally downloaded games is getting some competition.[/QUOTE]
I agree. This means more sales and such from both of em.
Origin's no problem in my book. Runs completely silently, only see a small popup when launching BF3. Download speeds are amazing too. Runs well too, right now it's sitting at 67MB RAM usage, Steam at 167MB
Can't criticize Origin for anything without including Steam with the same flaws. It does it's job and doesen't get in my way.
all EA accounts were converted to origin accounts and i doubt there's more than a thousand sad souls who signed up for origin just because it looked cool, the only reason anyone bothers using origin is because EA forces you to use origin if you want to play the games they publish. it's like forcing customers to eat a dog before they're allowed to have a delicious meal and then reporting on the fact that millions of people are eating dogs as if there's a spectacular dietary awakening sweeping through the nation.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34519950]all EA accounts were converted to origin accounts and i doubt there's more than a thousand sad souls who signed up for origin just because it looked cool, the only reason anyone bothers using origin is because EA forces you to use origin if you want to play the games they publish. it's like forcing customers to eat a dog before they're allowed to have a delicious meal and then reporting on the fact that millions of people are eating dogs as if there's a spectacular dietary awakening sweeping through the nation.[/QUOTE]
This actually isn't a bad analogy
lmao steam still dominates the market
but it's good to see competition
[editline]2nd February 2012[/editline]
also mass effect 3 will bolster origin's userbase again
I'd much rather see steam sell all my games then to have 50 other companies that all suck force me to buy their games and keep them off of steam while they scream profanity at me
Rather annoyed at the prospect of having to have 2 digital distribution programs installed if more games go Origin-only. That having been said, at least there's proper competition now, but as has been mentioned before those numbers stink of bullshit.
I'm ok with this. Origin uses 1/3rd the memory Steam does idling and downloads at my max speed (Steam only goes about half). I'll probably stick to steam for all my non-EA games, but for EA exclusive titles I have no problem with the downloader.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;34513807]I may not like EA's buisness practices, but it's good to see that steam's dangerous monopoly on digitally downloaded games is getting some competition.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather see a great company who has a great service get an absolute monopoly than having a shitty competitor who doesn't know how to get their shit together.
[editline]3rd February 2012[/editline]
The fact EA call themselves competitors just pisses me off. Their ego is so big it's ridiculous.
I'm probably never going to download origins.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;34520971]same here, get 2mb/s on origin whereas on steam, i usually get 1.2mb/s[/QUOTE]
You only get faster speeds on Origin because less people use it though.
[QUOTE=Coffee;34524017]You only get faster speeds on Origin because less people use it though.[/QUOTE]
It's probably because they can afford more powerful servers.
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;34524026]It's probably because they can afford more powerful servers.[/QUOTE]
Steam has what? 4 million active users?
Origin probably only has about 1 million active users, and not as many games on it either.
So the servers seem faster simply because of usage.
Unfortunately I just refuse to download Origin in order to play BF3. It makes my fucking piss boil at how I am forced to download their shit just to play one of their games that have no reason not to be on steam other than EA being butthurt and using BF3 to get people to download their inferior shit and then claiming they have massive growth because 10000000 people signed up in one month
Only because of BF3 too
I only launch origin through steam because it's easier and i can still talk to people and take screenshots without having something like fraps up, to be blunt if Battlefield 3 was on steam or we could register our copy on steam and play it like that i wouldn't bother launching origin or even consider for a second using it.
That source sucks up to EA. :v:
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;34513978]Er..The same reasoning can be applied to Steam. Any game that uses steamworks forces you to sign up for Steam. Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]
The difference is that most people want to use steam anyway while origin is a steaming pile of dog shit
Yeah I would say the daily 1M users they have is just people playing BF3 since you have to use Origin.
Steam didn't have a huge library with frequent sales at first either. Give Origin time, and it will become a decent alternative.
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