LSD and MDMA 'should be decriminalised' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Bobie;36193677]well in all fairness, you can purchase a knife but 99.99% of people don't go out and stab someone as soon as they buy it, or slash their own wrists etc. A great deal of people have the ability to buy alcohol, or glue freely and don't fuck themselves up on that every night; so why, if drugs were treated the same in society and children were educated to know the [i]facts[/i] not some stuffy MP's opinion, it doesn't take much to understand that kids and adults alike wouldn't abuse them.[/QUOTE] Yes but buying and doing drugs would mean you bought the knife and used it.

You're talking about menial things that people do like sniffing bleach or to drink toxic chemicals. That's not an argument. You could also say that society could be okay if people were mature enough to control their intake. But that's an optimistic faith in society you have if you really trust them. [editline]4th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=joe588;36193717]why millions of people use coke with few ill effects. not everyone becomes a raging coke fiend.[/QUOTE] Tony Montana did.

[QUOTE=Tomberry;36193723]Yes but buying and doing drugs would mean you bought the knife and used it.[/QUOTE] there is a vast difference between buying drugs, using them, and buying drugs and then unintentionally overdosing on them. the difference of the two is a lack of applicable thought process, or information. [QUOTE=AK'z;36193747]You're talking about menial things that people do like sniffing bleach or to drink toxic chemicals. That's not an argument. You could also say that society could be okay if people were mature enough to control their intake. But that's an optimistic faith in society you have if you really trust them. [editline]4th June 2012[/editline] Tony Montana did.[/QUOTE] once again you've skipped past my entire point. i give up, believe whatever the fuck you want to believe

[QUOTE=joe588;36193514]well most of the common ones i agree. the obscure new drugs that are being developed, a lot of them are extremely potent as the molecules get more complex [editline]4th June 2012[/editline] all drugs are it's just the matter of how they should be distributed[/QUOTE] except heroin heroin will fuck you up

[QUOTE=SatansSin;36193365]I'm not sure if you've ever taken LSD before, but it is not 'very very' safe. If anything it'll scare you more so than any other movie, game, or person could. Not sure MDMA, I'm sure it's used for the same reason LSD is.[/QUOTE] Have YOU ever taken LSD before? Dropping LSD in a comfortable surrounding with people you know and trust is an extremely enjoyable experience.

[QUOTE=AK'z;36193704]I'm not against drinking either, but cocaine is something that could send a society out of control.[/QUOTE] Because if coke was legal everyone and their mum would start packing their nose would they?

When it comes to drugs. Just like everything in life, it needs to be done in moderation. Even if MDMA wont kill you, being tripping 24/7 isn't a good idea regardless.

The problem that most people don't seem to get is that both drugs are technically completely safe, but the things you will do while under their effects could endanger your life and potentially others lives. Notice how most alcohol-related deaths are from drunk-driving, not alcohol poisoning. If we found a way to enforce responsible use of these drugs that would be great.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36193777]Because if coke was legal everyone and their mum would start packing their nose would they?[/QUOTE] Not everyone, but some/alot/too much, the thing is we don't know, it's a personal reaction you have with a drug, and we can't make up numbers of who's gonna be addicted if we depenalize.

[QUOTE=BlazeFresh;36193315]Article: [URL]http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/lsd-and-mdma-should-be-decriminalised-says-former-drug-advisor-professor-david-nutt-16166192.html[/URL] I agree, especially with this part 'potential penalty and criminal record which go with them amount to more harm than the drugs themselves.'.[/QUOTE] That is bullshit The "harm the drug itself does" that you are speaking of is the harm done while being illegeal. There is no way to tell if a legallized access would do more or less harm and looking at certain African countries where for example the chewing of Khat is legal the speculation can only be one: more. [editline]4th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;36193796]The problem that most people don't seem to get is that both drugs are technically completely safe, but the things you will do while under their effects could endanger your life and potentially others lives. Notice how most alcohol-related deaths are from drunk-driving, not alcohol poisoning. If we found a way to enforce responsible use of these drugs that would be great.[/QUOTE] The only reason why alcohol is not illegal is because it's so well established.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36193454]Yeah but the thing about LSD is it's one of the most potent, it requires such a tiny tiny amount to be produce an effect in your system, it's amazing actually just how potent the shit is.[/QUOTE] I remember a story about how the doctor who synthesized it first tried to find the baseline dosage for LSD, and ended up taking ten times the normal dosage thinking that it wasn't as potent as it really is. He ended up tripping hard for hours, thinking the walls were trying to kill him and whatnot. :v:

[QUOTE=Jacam12SUX;36193762]except heroin heroin will fuck you up[/QUOTE] no it won't get pure heroin, a constant supply and you'll live just as long as anyone else the problem is when you run out and hurt yourself trying to get more. not saying it's good to have a heroin addiction but as long as you can afford it...

[QUOTE=joe588;36193717]why millions of people use coke with few ill effects. not everyone becomes a raging coke fiend.[/QUOTE] You'd think otherwise if you ever worked in a hospital and saw what chemically addictive drugs do to people. Cold Turkey cocaine addicts sometimes are that much in physical pain, they sound like burn victims.

I'm still not against drug-use, but I see people get through 2 packs of cigarettes a day and it doesn't hold my faith that society can withstand people getting addicted. However... a lot more people nowadays are more well informed of the effects and health consequences.

[QUOTE=Killuah;36193847]You'd think otherwise if you ever worked in a hospital and saw what chemically addictive drugs do to people. Cold Turkey cocaine addicts sometimes are that much in physical pain, they sound like burn victims.[/QUOTE] so fuck!!!!!!! i'm saying lots of people use it regularly and are not addicts! drugs are fine until you use them to escape from your problems. the people are the issue, not the drugs

[QUOTE=joe588;36193846]no it won't get pure heroin, a constant supply and you'll live just as long as anyone else the problem is when you run out and hurt yourself trying to get more. not saying it's good to have a heroin addiction but as long as you can afford it...[/QUOTE] Are you saying physically addictive drugs should be legal as long as people can afford them? How much out of touch with reality are you?

too bad that anything illegal currently has such a stigma attached it'd be hard as hell for the government to decriminalize it without all the papers screaming about how everyone's going to start injecting crack into their eyeballs. If people started doing MDMA in clubs instead of drinking it'd probably save the UK a tonne of money as well as making everyone a hell of a lot more happy

[QUOTE=Killuah;36193872]Are you saying physically addictive drugs should be legal as long as people can afford them? How much out of touch with reality are you?[/QUOTE] No he said you won't die, if you get a lifetime pure heroin supply. e : wont die sooner.

[QUOTE=joe588;36193869]so fuck!!!!!!! i'm saying lots of people use it regularly and are not addicts! drugs are fine until you use them to escape from your problems. the people are the issue, not the drugs[/QUOTE] What else would you use them for? Enjoyment? Then you are escaping the problem that you can't enjoy life in other ways. People are drinking pretty much solely to overcome their fears, to lose their inhibitions. [editline]4th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Tomberry;36193886]No he said you won't die, if you get a lifetime pure heroin supply. e : wont die sooner.[/QUOTE] And that's an argument to legalize it or what?

[QUOTE=Killuah;36193892] And that's an argument to legalize it or what?[/QUOTE] No, and he didn't say that... You're making assumption, he just gave the raw information : Pure heroin everyday of your life till your death won't make you die sooner.

[QUOTE=Tomberry;36193802]Not everyone, but some/alot/too much, the thing is we don't know, it's a personal reaction you have with a drug, and we can't make up numbers of who's gonna be addicted if we depenalize.[/QUOTE] You're wrong though, Portugal recently decriminalised drugs and they actually reported a reduction in drug use. It seems there are two people who use drugs (to simplify it) 1. Those who use drugs for the same reasons people drink alcohol and smoke tobacco. 2. Those who use drugs because it's a social taboo. Decriminalise/Legalise and the second group are liable to cut down on their use once drugs are an accepted part of existence.

[QUOTE=Killuah;36193892] And that's an argument to legalize it or what?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=joe588;36193708]the debate is decriminalisation not legalisation. do you really believe you should be criminalised for your choice in what you consume?[/QUOTE] [editline]4th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Killuah;36193892]What else would you use them for? Enjoyment? Then you are escaping the problem that you can't enjoy life in other ways. [/QUOTE] hurr i don't need drugs to enjoy life shut up. people use drugs because it's fun to explore your mind, to see things in a different perspective. what is the problem with that?

[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;36193834]I remember a story about how the doctor who synthesized it first tried to find the baseline dosage for LSD, and ended up taking ten times the normal dosage thinking that it wasn't as potent as it really is. He ended up tripping hard for hours, thinking the walls were trying to kill him and whatnot. :v:[/QUOTE] Yeah he like got some on his hand I think and ended up tripping balls riding his bike home from the lab :v: [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/01/medicalresearch1[/url]

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36193938] Decriminalise/Legalise and the second group are liable to cut down on their use once drugs are an accepted part of existence.[/QUOTE] How do you cut down the second group if it's full of addicted persons?

People look at legalizing drugs in all the wrong ways. It's not about if the drug is safe enough to be legal, because plenty of unsafe things are legal. Its not about who is going to start using it, because honestly people are going to do it anyway. Personally, I dont think marijuana will ever be legalized because how profitable it is. A lot of prisons are privately owned, so they need people in jail. Not to mention using it as a way to arrest people who are just plain criminals. See: Al Capone and tax evasion.

[QUOTE=Killuah;36193892]What else would you use them for? Enjoyment? Then you are escaping the problem that you can't enjoy life in other ways. People are drinking pretty much solely to overcome their fears, to lose their inhibitions. [editline]4th June 2012[/editline] And that's an argument to legalize it or what?[/QUOTE] It's always entertaining to encounter someone who thinks they know why people use drugs or drink. [editline]4th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Tomberry;36193971]How do you cut down the second group if it's full of addicted persons?[/QUOTE] Who say's that they're addicts?

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36193978] Who say's that they're addicts?[/QUOTE] Yeah bu people are not as wise as they should with drugs, there's gonna be addicted people. That's like straight denying one of the issues with coke depenalization.

[QUOTE=Tomberry;36194036]Yeah bu people are not as wise as they should with drugs, there's gonna be addicted people. That's like straight denying one of the issues with coke depenalization.[/QUOTE] You do what the Portuguese have done and offer government funded rehabilitation for anyone who wants it. The reason a lot of addicts don't get help is because of the stigma against drugs and addicts, they're just people in need of help and we should be there to offer that help and it could easily be funded through taxes if drugs were fully legalised and sold in government pharmacies.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36194074]You do what the Portuguese have done and offer government funded rehabilitation for anyone who wants it. The reason a lot of addicts don't get help is because of the stigma against drugs and addicts, they're just people in need of help and we should be there to offer that help and it could easily be funded through taxes if drugs were fully legalised and sold in government pharmacies.[/QUOTE] In these terms I agree. But something feels wrong.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36193969]Yeah he like got some on his hand I think and ended up tripping balls riding his bike home from the lab :v: [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/01/medicalresearch1[/url][/QUOTE] Which is interesting because recent tests have shown you cant abosorb it through the skin, even when mixed with DMSO.