[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;36194125]Which is interesting because recent tests have shown you cant abosorb it through the skin, even when mixed with DMSO.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I was wrong, he properly self administered, I just couldn't be fucked editing my post v:v:v
I think softer drugs could easily be decriminalised, I mean who gives a fuck about pot.
Just as long as super addictive shit like heroin or meth and shit stay illegal it doesn't really matter
[QUOTE=Killuah;36193892]What else would you use them for?
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recently i got a bit depressed and started nailing handfuls of benzos every day. now that is harmful drug use. luckily i saw the error of my ways and stopped. note benzos are prescribed willynilly and legally for anxiety etc.
taking a few gurners at a weekend, going out, chatting codshit with my mates and having fun until 7am... how is that harmful, less the physical effects?
the only thing really harmful about it is the fact one of those situations could land me in jail with future prospects shattered.
[QUOTE=joe588;36193846]no it won't
get pure heroin, a constant supply and you'll live just as long as anyone else
the problem is when you run out and hurt yourself trying to get more.
not saying it's good to have a heroin addiction but as long as you can afford it...[/QUOTE]
yes it is, this is coming from an ex-heroin addict. even for habitual users the behavioral impact it has is colossally degrading, among many other negative things.
[QUOTE=joe588;36193846]no it won't
get pure heroin, a constant supply and you'll live just as long as anyone else
the problem is when you run out and hurt yourself trying to get more.
not saying it's good to have a heroin addiction but as long as you can afford it...[/QUOTE]
lol. thats fucking you up. having to spend money on an opiate to keep yourself alive isn't fucked up in your book?
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[QUOTE=Croix;36194199]I think softer drugs could easily be decriminalised, I mean who gives a fuck about pot.
Just as long as super addictive shit like heroin or meth and shit stay illegal it doesn't really matter[/QUOTE]
well it does, you need to offer them something other than prison as a punishment though. rehabilitation and a fine would be the best course of action, but they get sent to prison.
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[QUOTE=Croix;36194199]I think softer drugs could easily be decriminalised, I mean who gives a fuck about pot.
Just as long as super addictive shit like heroin or meth and shit stay illegal it doesn't really matter[/QUOTE]
well it does, you need to offer them something other than prison as a punishment though. rehabilitation and a fine would be the best course of action, but they get sent to prison.
[QUOTE=Jacam12SUX;36193762]except heroin
heroin will fuck you up[/QUOTE]
Meth, too. And crack. Pretty much all of those really hardcore drugs should still be illegal, but they should change the way they handle them. Rehabilitation instead of prison, and also safe government-sanctioned places to do these drugs.
As much as I don't want to see hard drugs (heroin, cocaine, meth, etc) become legalized, I acknowledge the fact that sending drug offenders to jail benefits nobody, neither society nor the offender. Addicts need help, not prison. Decriminalization has to happen; we are undermining both health and civil liberties.
[QUOTE=joe588;36193846]no it won't
get pure heroin, a constant supply and you'll live just as long as anyone else
the problem is when you run out and hurt yourself trying to get more.
not saying it's good to have a heroin addiction but as long as you can afford it...[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately no. You develop tolerance for heroin (and many other drugs for that matter), which causes you to seek higher and higher doses to get the same high (or low if you consider heroin is a depressant). The problem is, the physical effects of many drugs are not as well tolerated as the psychological effects, so in the end the risk of ODing keeps increasing. And considering how powerful heroin is both as a painkiller and respiratory depressant, it can lead to death pretty easily.
Obviously this is not true for all drugs. Some do not cause a tolerance response, others do not have such severe physical effects and either do not lead to death or take a very long time to do so, but saying getting pure heroin will solve all your problems is just wrong.
[QUOTE=Jacam12SUX;36194300]yes it is, this is coming from an ex-heroin addict. even for habitual users the behavioral impact it has is colossally degrading, among many other negative things.[/QUOTE]
Yes because it's expensive
Constant supply of free, pure heroin and you won't have much of a problem
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Queen Victoria for instance, addict most her life and lived into her 80s
[QUOTE=Killuah;36193872]Are you saying physically addictive drugs should be legal as long as people can afford them?
How much out of touch with reality are you?[/QUOTE]
Ahaha, how out of touch? Are you unaware of the many drugs available that are quite physically addictive?
[QUOTE=joe588;36193514]
all drugs are
it's just the matter of how they should be distributed[/QUOTE]
Fuck no, I would not want shit like Krokodil made legal and distributed no less.
[QUOTE=Glorbo;36195001]Fuck no, I would not want shit like Krokodil made legal and distributed no less.[/QUOTE]
krokodil only exists because heroin is illegal, why would someone want to inject an extremely un-pure substitute when they could get potentially 100% pure heroin instead?
[QUOTE=Gareth;36195097]krokodil only exists because heroin is illegal, why would someone want to inject an extremely un-pure substitute when they could get potentially 100% pure heroin instead?[/QUOTE]
Cheaper.
Decriminalising isn't far enough - it leaves supply of the drugs to the black market
[QUOTE=Glorbo;36195101]Cheaper.[/QUOTE]
If Heroin wasn't so illegal, you'd have more people producing it so the price would drop.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36194140]Yeah I was wrong, he properly self administered, I just couldn't be fucked editing my post v:v:v[/QUOTE]
No, you were right because it was the second time that he took it orally. Its just a mystery how he discovered that LSD-25 is a hallucinogen. Only Hoffmann himself could really know how and he took the secret to his grave.
[QUOTE=Coffee;36195135]If Heroin wasn't so illegal, you'd have more people producing it so the price would drop.[/QUOTE]
Same with Krokodil.
Don't try to bullshit your way out of this, Alcohol is fully legal, that doesn't mean that everyone in the world rushes immediately to buy the best liquor around.
I am wondering whether the people who want drugs to be legalize are actually drug addicts themselves. They uses drugs not for medical purposes or healing but for enjoyment.
Drugs should never be use for enjoyment or entertainment. They are not like Alcohol or smoking. While i do agree that Alcohol and smoking does give a minor relaxation, drugs are no excuse for recreational purposes.
[QUOTE=AK'z;36193704]I'm not against drinking either, but cocaine is something that could send a society out of control.[/QUOTE]
Why? Plenty of other stimulants that are comparatively potent are available legally and I don't see society "out of control".
If it was legalised lots of people would begin using coca tea again which is far less concentrated but still provides a nice buzz without ill effect.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;36195227]Why? Plenty of other stimulants that are comparatively potent are available legally and I don't see society "out of control".
If it was legalised lots of people would begin using coca tea again which is far less concentrated but still provides a nice buzz without ill effect.[/QUOTE]
This is the example of what i am trying to say. The reasons why some people wants these drugs to be legalize is not for medical reasons but for enjoyment. Also The health risk of LSD and MDMA outweighs the health benefits.
We don't want people to end up crazy from abusing LSD. It should not be legalize
[QUOTE=BCell;36195224]I am wondering whether the people who want drugs to be legalize are actually drug addicts themselves. They uses drugs not for medical purposes or healing but for enjoyment.
Drugs should never be use for enjoyment or entertainment. They are not like Alcohol or smoking. While i do agree that Alcohol and smoking does give a minor relaxation, drugs are no excuse for recreational purposes.[/QUOTE]
Alcohol and Tobacco are both highly addictive drugs that cause damage to your body and may result in death. How are they unlike other drugs?
[QUOTE=Glorbo;36195101]Cheaper.[/QUOTE]
are you fucking retarded mate
do you know how much diamorphine actually costs? pennies.
it's expensive because it's illegal
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starlight you are an utter piece of shit, you are completely misinformed
you realise right that drugs are illegal because they're worth more than when they are...
[QUOTE=SatansSin;36193365]I'm not sure if you've ever taken LSD before, but it is not 'very very' safe.
If anything it'll scare you more so than any other movie, game, or person could.
Not sure MDMA, I'm sure it's used for the same reason LSD is.[/QUOTE]
And what's wrong with that?
Life is a drama-riddled soap opera from the moment we wake up to the moment we go to bed, why not shake it up a bit by adding a bit of horror, comedy, psychosis, excitement, etc?
If you can shake it up and stimulate your ability to see it as a dramatic events that are unfolding on the screen of consciousness, fantastic.
Bring that into the real world and then you can stop living out 'Eastenders' filled with your bullshit 'problems' that you invented and see what's actually going on.
[QUOTE=SatansSin;36193365]I'm not sure if you've ever taken LSD before, but it is not 'very very' safe.
If anything it'll scare you more so than any other movie, game, or person could.
Not sure MDMA, I'm sure it's used for the same reason LSD is.[/QUOTE]
If you don't respect the drug, don't take it, it'll fuck you over. Just like any drugs ever in the world.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;36195114]Decriminalising isn't far enough - it leaves supply of the drugs to the black market[/QUOTE]
Legalisation is perhaps the only way of fixing such an issue, as you said, decriminalisation on it's own won't work.
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Of course, you could always start a war on drugs instead.
[QUOTE=BCell;36195224]I am wondering whether the people who want drugs to be legalize are actually drug addicts themselves. They uses drugs not for medical purposes or healing but for enjoyment.
Drugs should never be use for enjoyment or entertainment. They are not like Alcohol or smoking. While i do agree that Alcohol and smoking does give a minor relaxation, drugs are no excuse for recreational purposes.[/QUOTE]
That's cool but again you're telling people what they should or should not put in their bodies.
Also obligatory "no fun allowed" post.
[QUOTE=J!NX;36195412]If you don't respect the drug, don't take it, it'll fuck you over. Just like any drugs ever in the world.[/QUOTE]
this, alcohol is legal yet only the spastics go out and get fucking hammered and get hospitalized, its the same with drugs. I know a fair few people who experiment with various drugs and sure some people have had bad experiences but never life threatening. There will always be people who abuse stuff, does that mean its right to restrict an entire countrys drug use because there are a few people who don't understand that bodies have limits to the amount of stuff they can throw at it. Because fat people exist does that mean fast food should be banned? no, those fatties should be educated so they know that if they keep consuming huge amounts of shit they're going to die and its the same with drugs
MDMA comedown leads to suicide and LSD can scare living shit out of you. I'm all for legalization but no potential harm is bullshit.
I really wish Starlight15 would actually post instead of dumb spamming.
I agree with this. Especially so since LSD isn't addictive nor toxic.
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Everything below alcohol should be legal IMHO
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Else alcohol should be banned just the same.
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