[QUOTE=Glorbo;36195194]Same with Krokodil.
Don't try to bullshit your way out of this, Alcohol is fully legal, that doesn't mean that everyone in the world rushes immediately to buy the best liquor around.[/QUOTE]
If it is regulated one would imagine heroin to be cheaper than backyard krokodil.
[editline]5th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=joe588;36195293]are you fucking retarded mate
do you know how much diamorphine actually costs? pennies.
it's expensive because it's illegal
[/QUOTE]
This is accurate. Synthesis of desomorphine (krokodil) by pharma companies would be cheaper than the street version. Of course, at the same time you could just as well synthesize any other opiate.
[QUOTE=Gareth;36195661]this, alcohol is legal yet only the spastics go out and get fucking hammered and get hospitalized, its the same with drugs. I know a fair few people who experiment with various drugs and sure some people have had bad experiences but never life threatening. There will always be people who abuse stuff, does that mean its right to restrict an entire countrys drug use because there are a few people who don't understand that bodies have limits to the amount of stuff they can throw at it. Because fat people exist does that mean fast food should be banned? no, those fatties should be educated so they know that if they keep consuming huge amounts of shit they're going to die and its the same with drugs[/QUOTE]
TL;DR
Drugs are not an issue in society. Drug abusers are.
Which couldn't possibly be more true.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;36195548]Legalisation is perhaps the only way of fixing such an issue, as you said, decriminalisation on it's own won't work.
[editline]5th June 2012[/editline]
Of course, you could always start a war on drugs instead.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, decriminalisation if used should be a stepping stone used to pave the way for full legalisation and not an endpoint.
[editline]4th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gareth;36195661]this, alcohol is legal yet only the spastics go out and get fucking hammered and get hospitalized, its the same with drugs. I know a fair few people who experiment with various drugs and sure some people have had bad experiences but never life threatening. There will always be people who abuse stuff, does that mean its right to restrict an entire countrys drug use because there are a few people who don't understand that bodies have limits to the amount of stuff they can throw at it. Because fat people exist does that mean fast food should be banned? no, those fatties should be educated so they know that if they keep consuming huge amounts of shit they're going to die and its the same with drugs[/QUOTE]
Hell yeah.
Authoritarian measures are ignorant and don't help in the long run. Personal responsibility for what one consumes needs to be emphasised.
Research MDMA and LSD before you spew utter bullshit and horror stories told by D.A.R.E.
[QUOTE=BCell;36195224]I am wondering whether the people who want drugs to be legalize are actually drug addicts themselves. They uses drugs not for medical purposes or healing but for enjoyment.
Drugs should never be use for enjoyment or entertainment. They are not like Alcohol or smoking. While i do agree that Alcohol and smoking does give a minor relaxation, drugs are no excuse for recreational purposes.[/QUOTE]
What makes you think that alcohol and nicotine are acceptable for recreation but using LSD, Psilocybin, Cannabis or MDMA isnt?
[editline]4th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=BCell;36195254]This is the example of what i am trying to say. The reasons why some people wants these drugs to be legalize is not for medical reasons but for enjoyment. Also The health risk of LSD and MDMA outweighs the health benefits.
We don't want people to end up crazy from abusing LSD. It should not be legalize[/QUOTE]
Are you fucking kidding me? The health risks? There are countless pharmaceuticals that have horrendous side effects (benzos for one) and are advertised on TV and handed out like candy.
whew, as long as they dont legalise marijuana, that shit is way too potent to be legal
[editline]4th June 2012[/editline]
my friend od'd on marijuana and now he's a communist
[QUOTE=Lick;36193345]This is definitely a step in the right direction. The people who take these drugs aren't criminals, and both drugs are very very safe. They also both have therapeutic qualities.[/QUOTE]
There's a risk of mental damage with LSD though, and a friend of mine's brother had a bad trip and ended up being converted to Christianity(might be bullshit though, i never met his brother), he said that he saw jesus in his trip one day.
mental damage???? for fucks sake.
bet your friends brother also thinks he's a glass of orange juice too.
yeah it's true my brother did lsd and now he's an orange and in a mental hospital and he tried killing everyone ban this terrible drug
You know what? If adults are considered responsible enough to make the decision that they're going to commit to going overseas and potentially getting killed by people who will absolutely try to kill them in a politically unstable region, we should be considered responsible enough to choose which chemicals we put in our body.
And also, consider this: millions of American have diabetes and other health problems regarding obesity, including my father. If my father wanted to go to McDonald's and eat half-pounder-baconsplosion-lard-andcheese-super-fatass burgers until he died, he would have every right under the law to do so.
I think both sides of the drug argument war need to change. Drugs aren't amazing for you, nor will they instantly kill you. We need proper education about drugs so people know what they do and how to avoid negative side effects.
I'm not saying that we should have LSD on the shelves of 7-11, but that drug users shouldn't be punished unless they're tripping in public or causing harm.
don't spill me dude
Also, we could slap warning labels that quote from legitimate sources how bad these drugs are. Most people do drugs and assume that lies are told about them because people want to keep them illegal, and they don't trust sources. With it legal, there would be no reason to do this, and legitimate sources would stare them in the face. I know it wouldn't stop a lot of people, but it might stop some. And furthermore, like one of the sane things that Ron Paul has said "Are you going to do heroin just because it's legal?"
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;36197438]I think both sides of the drug argument war need to change. Drugs aren't amazing for you, nor will they instantly kill you. We need proper education about drugs so people know what they do and how to avoid negative side effects.
I'm not saying that we should have LSD on the shelves of 7-11, but that drug users shouldn't be punished unless they're tripping in public or causing harm.[/QUOTE]
this is it.
stop blatent advertising of drugs in films, make them available and pure to those who wish to seek them and make sure they understand the risks. remove all references to them in society, much as the research chemical market works at the moment.
you're taught from an early age that an ecstasy pill will kill you. you see others not dying after 1, you begin to think everything else they've taught you about drugs is bollocks too.
[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;36193379]Not sure about MDMA, that shit does not sound safe. At all.[/QUOTE]
Because you know nothing about it? Research it first before saying it's bad.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;36197438]I think both sides of the drug argument war need to change. Drugs aren't amazing for you, nor will they instantly kill you. We need proper education about drugs so people know what they do and how to avoid negative side effects.
I'm not saying that we should have LSD on the shelves of 7-11, but that drug users shouldn't be punished unless they're tripping in public or causing harm.[/QUOTE]
Actually, one of my biggest criticisms about D.A.R.E. is that in an attempt to be their version of "politically correct," they report every drug as if it's equally dangerous. When you over report and/or misrepresent the danger of a drug, like alcohol or marijuana, that's socially accepted, people will try it, realize it isn't quite as dangerous and assume that the program lied about the dangers of the other more serious drugs.
I think people should do some research before jumping to conclusions on these sorts of drugs (Psychadelics and whatnot).
In conjunction with the picture posted above:
[img]http://i45.tinypic.com/2ykx20y.png[/img]
The drugs mentioned by David Nutt have far lower harm ratings and addiction properties than socially accepted drugs such as Alchohol or Nicotine. While using drugs to escape problems may not be the correct path, many people who do it simply do so to explore what their mind is capable of or to have a good time. As far as something as LSD or Mushrooms go, the only true problem they have is the possibility of a bad trip, which is why most people do them responsibly in a safe and controlled environment which minimizes that risk (bad trip includes users who already have mental condition/problems/etc whose problems may be amplified).
MDMA on the other hand is still being studied and some studies believe that it can cause long-term effects (many other studies on the other hand do not state that there are long-term effects), and the days after using can be extremely depressing due to the off-balance of your serotonin levels.
I agree that harder drugs such as Heroin are awful to use, but not all drugs that are currently criminalized deserve to be so, some of the reasons for their original criminalization are just absurd (reefer madness etc.).
Hey guys, here's an idea. Maybe we should stop shoving dangerous shit in our bodies in general. That includes alcohol and cigarettes so don't start that shit.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;36197725]Hey guys, here's an idea. Maybe we should stop shoving dangerous shit in our bodies in general. That includes alcohol and cigarettes so don't start that shit.[/QUOTE]
Looks like you solved the entire drug problem. Yes, let's just tell people not to drugs and they won't do drugs. It completely worked when Ronald Reagen tried it.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;36197725]Hey guys, here's an idea. Maybe we should stop shoving dangerous shit in our bodies in general. That includes alcohol and cigarettes so don't start that shit.[/QUOTE]
If I want to smoke and drink, why shouldn't I be allowed to? I am 100% aware of the dangers associated. If I'm not hurting anyone else, what is the issue?
I don't smoke or drink, but you get my point.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;36197725]Hey guys, here's an idea. Maybe we should stop shoving dangerous shit in our bodies in general. That includes alcohol and cigarettes so don't start that shit.[/QUOTE]
there are people who actually believe prohibition still works?
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[QUOTE=DinoJesus;36197725]Hey guys, here's an idea. Maybe we should stop shoving dangerous shit in our bodies in general. That includes alcohol and cigarettes so don't start that shit.[/QUOTE]
So you can live until your incapable of moving or having a shit by yourself, and your body starts deteriorating to the point where you start coughing up blood or any other number of things start fucking up.
And what's wrong with that?
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;36195400]Life is a drama-riddled soap opera from the moment we wake up to the moment we go to bed, why not shake it up a bit by adding a bit of horror, comedy, psychosis, excitement, etc?
If you can shake it up and stimulate your ability to see it as a dramatic events that are unfolding on the screen of consciousness, fantastic.
Bring that into the real world and then you can stop living out 'Eastenders' filled with your bullshit 'problems' that you invented and see what's actually going on.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SatansSin;36193365]I'm not sure if you've ever taken LSD before, but it is not 'very very' safe.
If anything it'll scare you more so than any other movie, game, or person could.
Not sure MDMA, I'm sure it's used for the same reason LSD is.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if you've ever taken LSD before, because your lack of drug knowledge and experience emanates from this post.
good job
Glad to see facepunches durgz patrol is here to exaggerate whatever I say.
LOL mdma makes you piss out spinal fluid
[QUOTE=bull3tmagn3t;36198102]LOL mdma makes you piss out spinal fluid[/QUOTE]
Spinal fluid is final and you won't get it back..
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksrI6fu232w[/media]
^ Best drug education video ever FYI.
[QUOTE=SatansSin;36193365]I'm not sure if you've ever taken LSD before, but it is not 'very very' safe.
If anything it'll scare you more so than any other movie, game, or person could.
Not sure MDMA, I'm sure it's used for the same reason LSD is.[/QUOTE]
Actually I've taken lsd 4 times and in the right environment it is very safe. It is probably the most physically safe drug out there
Disagrees for LSD being physically safe? You can take 1000 times the standard does and your body will be fine. Find another drug like that.
[QUOTE=joe588;36193939][editline]4th June 2012[/editline]
hurr i don't need drugs to enjoy life
shut up. people use drugs because it's fun to explore your mind, to see things in a different perspective. what is the problem with that?[/QUOTE]
But you are not exploring your mind. You are exploring the malfunction of your mind.
[editline]4th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;36197438]I think both sides of the drug argument war need to change. Drugs aren't amazing for you, nor will they instantly kill you. We need proper education about drugs so people know what they do and how to avoid negative side effects.
I'm not saying that we should have LSD on the shelves of 7-11, but that drug users shouldn't be punished unless they're tripping in public or causing harm.[/QUOTE]
My argument would be that it's pretty damn easy to OD on these drugs, even weed.
Typical counterarguments would be "But so is it for alcohol" and my answer is "yes, yes indeed that's not a counterargument"
On top of that the body is developed to deal with certain amounts of alcohol, I wouldn't say that for the synthetic drugs.
[QUOTE=Killuah;36198196]But you are not exploring your mind. You are exploring the malfunction of your mind.[/QUOTE]
Call it malfunction or not... both are the malfunction because they're both just stories.
You're looking at life through rainbow-tinted spectacles until you realize that all the dialogue and drama is just that. It's like your unconsciously living in a real-time 3d render with no idea of the viewport, bones, sound effects, the 190 degree camera you're using, etc.
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