LSD and MDMA 'should be decriminalised' - Polidicks

If they decide to make those legal, then they will have to make sure people aren't allowed to go to work or at school or wherever else completely high off their asses. Back at highschool I've had enough completely high fellow students doing shit in class to know it's a massive pain in the ass to work on anything with high people around. [editline]5th June 2012[/editline] Honestly I don't care about drugs as long as you take them away from me. Being bothered by some guy who's tripping his ass off because he thought it would be a great idea to take that stuff in public is as annoying as being bothered by some guy who's smoking in public because he thought no one would care about the massive puffs of smoke he's exhaling every 5 seconds.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;36206001]Feel free to do what you want t your body, but I'm more concerned with what you might do to me when you're flying high on mushrooms and see me as a goddamn snickers.[/QUOTE] lol that doesn't happen you moron

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;36206001]Feel free to do what you want t your body, but I'm more concerned with what you might do to me when you're flying high on mushrooms and see me as a goddamn snickers.[/QUOTE] You'd have to be pretty damn high and on some much stronger substances than LSD or MDMA to start eating people.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;36206001]Feel free to do what you want t your body, but I'm more concerned with what you might do to me when you're flying high on mushrooms and see me as a goddamn snickers.[/QUOTE] you should try shrooms maybe then you would be able to talk about it without sounding retarded Honestly all the people in this thread speaking about the horrible dangers of weed and psychedelics have probably only learnt about it from biased anti-drug classes in their schools [editline]5th June 2012[/editline] I think it's a problem that when people hear the word "hallucination" their minds automatically jump to this: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=944cPciN-kw[/media]

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36206171]If someone does a trip with his buddies in their house, and goes to work sober, fine by me. Last thing I want is some kid high on LSD serving my burger at McDonald's.[/QUOTE] Trust me, the last thing some kid wants is to be at work while still under the effects of LSD.

social stigmas suck :( [editline]5th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=HiddenMyst;36206465]Trust me, the last thing some kid wants is to be at work while still under the effects of LSD.[/QUOTE] My mate works at a pizza store and he went to work tripping balls and ended up making patterns and pictures when he put the toppings on the pizzas.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;36206001]Feel free to do what you want t your body, but I'm more concerned with what you might do to me when you're flying high on mushrooms and see me as a goddamn snickers.[/QUOTE] There's a reason drug-influenced art looks the way it does. And it's not because it makes people look like chocolate bars. "Hallucinations" (which I've always preferred to refer to as visuals) are more of this world than you think and don't often bring upon the stereotypical effects portrayed by movies.

[QUOTE=joost1120;36205067]The problem with addicting drugs is that they're sold for such a high price that eventually, people run out of money and sell stuff to get more drugs.[/QUOTE] and contaminants and filler as a side effect of the black market

[QUOTE=Killuah;36198196]But you are not exploring your mind. You are exploring the malfunction of your mind. [editline]4th June 2012[/editline] [b]My argument would be that it's pretty damn easy to OD on these drugs, even weed.[/b] Typical counterarguments would be "But so is it for alcohol" and my answer is "yes, yes indeed that's not a counterargument" On top of that the body is developed to deal with certain amounts of alcohol, I wouldn't say that for the synthetic drugs.[/QUOTE] Your argument is retarded and so are you if you honestly believe that statement along with your last statement. Honestly this post is one of the stupidest posts on facepunch about drugs I have ever read in my life. [editline]5th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=valkery;36203144]I will probably get dumbs for this, but fuck it. All the people for the decriminalization seem to think that people will approach drugs with intelligence and a solid thought process, rather than just grabbing a couple patches off of a supermarket shelf and starting to trip. Sure, the government should make people aware of the issues and side effects of taking certain drugs, but that won't stop people from abusing them. Just look at alcohol and cigarettes. People abuse the fuck out of both, even with the common knowledge that both of these substances are terrible for you and will make you die. What is to stop someone from abusing a legal, and very powerful, hallucinogen? I just see it as adding one more ingredient to an already full pot. On the topic of pot, shouldn't you people take one victory at a time? You are very slowly getting a safe and less powerful drug legalized. It is natural, can be used safely (easily) and is still getting slammed around the Government offices like no tomorrow. Trying to push for synthetic, potentially very very harmful drugs that can cause relapses, even when you haven't used them in a long time seems to me a very high-handed idea. Just my two cents. Take it or leave it, or better yet, explain to me how you are so sure that these drugs won't be abused, and it is a great idea to let idiots that can't spell "cat" get a hold of powerful hallucinogens.[/QUOTE] Decriminlization isn't legalisation it wont be available to buy legally anywhere [editline]5th June 2012[/editline] Also the natural drugs are safer and synthetic drugs are terrible argument is stupid because its not true at all

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;36205293]Imagine is coffee became impossible to get suddenly, people would get back to "normal" but there'd be a hell of a rough patch. Now imagine if instead of caffeine, the most popular drug in the world was cocaine, or heroin. What happens then when if becomes impossible to get? Chaos.[/QUOTE] Why would you say imagine if coffee ran out, or cocaine dominated drug usage among people when they are never going to fucking happen. Please be more realistic, why the fuck would coffee suddenly run out one day when there is a huge demand for it? [QUOTE=Killuah;36198196]My argument would be that it's pretty damn easy to OD on these drugs, even weed.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Killuah;36198196]pretty damn easy to OD on these drugs, even weed[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Killuah;36198196]even weed[/QUOTE] pffft..hahaha. Please please please find me a source of anyone that has died from a overdose on weed (p.s you won't because it's impossible to find). Seriously saying something like that and not even providing a citation. [QUOTE=SatansSin;36193365]Not sure MDMA, I'm sure it's used for the same reason LSD is.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=jimhowl33t;36193379]Not sure about MDMA, that shit does not sound safe. At all.[/QUOTE] "FUCK RESEARCHING MAN. MDMA sounds scary as shit, criminalize it!" [QUOTE=DinoJesus;36197725]Hey guys, here's an idea. Maybe we should stop shoving dangerous shit in our bodies in general. That includes alcohol and cigarettes so don't start that shit.[/QUOTE] Mention many times before in this thread but what if fucking fat asses want to shove chocolate bars or sugary sodas down their throat, they are damaging their bodies yet they are not getting arrested? [QUOTE=BCell;36195224]I am wondering whether the people who want drugs to be legalize are actually drug addicts themselves. They uses drugs not for medical purposes or healing but for enjoyment.[/QUOTE] Ah yes, and everybody who plays games are game addicts. Stop fucking generalizing. Not everyone who uses drugs are addicts, and not everyone who does drugs does it for enjoyment. Medical marijuana dispensers are protected by state law but they can be raided under federal law. These people can be in favor of legalization so that they don't have to worry about being arrested/raided. Also what is wrong with smoking weed for enjoyment? Why should it be illegal to have fun if you do not inflict harm onto others? Just stay the fuck away from my body and what I do to it, I can take care of myself.

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;36206883]Your argument is retarded and so are you if you honestly believe that statement along with your last statement. Honestly this post is one of the stupidest posts on facepunch about drugs I have ever read in my life.[/QUOTE] HAHAHAh wait WHAT i didn't see him post that 'even weed' part hahahah lol killuah you just lost all rights to ever post about drugs ever again in your whole life [editline]5th June 2012[/editline] seriously why the fuck are you trying to argue about lsd & mdma when you don't even know shit about the most widely used (illegal) drug in the whole world???????????

[QUOTE=Killuah;36198196]But you are not exploring your mind. You are exploring the malfunction of your mind. [editline]4th June 2012[/editline] My argument would be that [b]it's pretty damn easy to OD on these drugs, even weed.[/b] Typical counterarguments would be "But so is it for alcohol" and my answer is "yes, yes indeed that's not a counterargument" On top of that the body is developed to deal with certain amounts of alcohol, I wouldn't say that for the synthetic drugs.[/QUOTE] never post again

[QUOTE=DeadKiller987;36195701]I agree with this. Especially so since LSD isn't addictive nor toxic. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Drug_danger_and_dependence.svg/1000px-Drug_danger_and_dependence.svg.png[/img] Everything below alcohol should be legal IMHO [editline]4th June 2012[/editline] Else alcohol should be banned just the same.[/QUOTE] I've smoked before and never found it "addictive" at all. It was a shisha which is a lot more potent than cigarettes and I even felt a little dizzy after the experience. Haven't smoked since and that was 3 years ago. However, caffeine is definitely more addictive imo... each and every day I reckon I take in caffeine in some shape or form.

[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;36194125]Which is interesting because recent tests have shown you cant abosorb it through the skin, even when mixed with DMSO.[/QUOTE] Have a friend break a vial inside his pocket accidently and see how wrong those tests are. Why are people having so mixed views about these things? You can find credible information easy, and if that fails you can always try these yourself, quite cheap and easily available if you look around a bit. Basically LSD makes you wonder, MDMA makes you more open/easier to contact with. You can say anything about them to try to prove that they're harmful, but there's actually SCIENTIFIC proof claiming otherwise, so it's almost as pointless as your life. Death comes to everyone, most also become insane before that, so do some drugs while you still can. Besides, we have THE MOST DEPRESSED PEOPLE EVER ON THIS FUCKING BALL, and these drugs could fix that. Instead they're being drugged with useless bullshit(well, useless in any other way than lining somebodys pockets with cash), and these chumps keep killing people randomly because they want to get into an institution where they get these drugs for free. Why not ban psychology and introduce LSD? Cheaper and more effective, and as a bonus douchebags wont make any more money on others expense. People who would cure minds would also require some real medical degree, like, you know.. Doctors. I assume that over half of the people who prescribe shit are salesmen in white coats.

[QUOTE=AK'z;36208721]I've smoked before and never found it "addictive" at all. It was a shisha which is a lot more potent than cigarettes and I even felt a little dizzy after the experience. Haven't smoked since and that was 3 years ago. However, caffeine is definitely more addictive imo... each and every day I reckon I take in caffeine in some shape or form.[/QUOTE] If you were drinking coffee back when you smoked, it may explain why you didn't get addicted to a single smoke. As far as I know having an active, "satisfied" addiction kind of prevents new ones from popping up.

[QUOTE=AK'z;36208721]I've smoked before and never found it "addictive" at all. It was a shisha which is a lot more potent than cigarettes and I even felt a little dizzy after the experience. Haven't smoked since and that was 3 years ago. However, caffeine is definitely more addictive imo... each and every day I reckon I take in caffeine in some shape or form.[/QUOTE] I quit amphetamines in one shot, but still smoking after trying to stop so many times :/

[QUOTE=AK'z;36208721]I've smoked before and never found it "addictive" at all. It was a shisha which is a lot more potent than cigarettes and I even felt a little dizzy after the experience. Haven't smoked since and that was 3 years ago. However, caffeine is definitely more addictive imo... each and every day I reckon I take in caffeine in some shape or form.[/QUOTE] I believe that the fact that it is additive free has something to do with how addictive it is. Not to mention, I think an addiction forms over time, as opposed to it starting with your first cigarette.

[QUOTE=Klammyxxl;36210353]I believe that the fact that it is additive free has something to do with how addictive it is. Not to mention, I think an addiction forms over time, as opposed to it starting with your first cigarette.[/QUOTE] this is true, I've smoked my fair amount of straights and rollies and I'm not addicted

Don't most people think they're addicted to weed because they mix it with tobacco to make it burn better, so they're actually addicted to the nicotine?

[QUOTE=Coffee;36210425]Don't most people think they're addicted to weed because they mix it with tobacco to make it burn better, so they're actually addicted to the nicotine?[/QUOTE] yeah I have a friend who has a dependency on weed because she's a smoker and she subconsciously associates smoking a spliff with the alleviation of nicotine withdrawals

[QUOTE=Coffee;36210425]Don't most people think they're addicted to weed because they mix it with tobacco to make it burn better, so they're actually addicted to the nicotine?[/QUOTE] That's how I started smoking cigarettes.

[QUOTE=Killuah;36198196]But you are not exploring your mind. You are exploring the malfunction of your mind. [editline]4th June 2012[/editline] My argument would be that it's pretty damn easy to OD on these drugs, [b]even weed.[/b] Typical counterarguments would be "But so is it for alcohol" and my answer is "yes, yes indeed that's not a counterargument" [b]On top of that the body is developed to deal with certain amounts of alcohol, I wouldn't say that for the synthetic drugs.[/b][/QUOTE] [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wUQr64Rlz_M/T7Ab5zGqbxI/AAAAAAAABKQ/A5679p9HR8Y/s1600/idi-amin-laughing.gif[/img] Maybe you should take a break buddy, have a lie down, you'll probably post better after you relax a bit.

People against decriminalization in this thread keep stating something along the lines of, they're afraid of what people might do when they're on something like LSD or Shrooms. Trust me, when people take those drugs, they don't want shit to go down either, as it would carry the risk of fucking their life up. Thus they generally take such drugs in controlled, safe environments, as opposed to coming in to work at McDonald's (as a person earlier stated).

I pity anyone who starts tripping all the balls, and then goes to work anywhere, that's a recipe for complete disaster.

I think there should be a required exam that every single person needs to take before having the right to discuss legalization or decriminalization of drugs. The exam would be a single question, and would be as follows: "How many grams of marijuana does the average person have to smoke to overdose?" and will have five possible multiple-choice answers to fill in, all of different non-zero measurements. If the person taking the exam does not raise their hand and point out that the correct answer is not on the exam, and that the correct answer is "you can't," then they will not be given the right to talk on the matter.

I think it is fine if weed, LSD, MDMA, and DMT are made legal, but meth, heroin, morphine, and other dangerous drugs, should be reserved for medical use(except PCP, it causes too much harm). PCP should be destroyed completely, it was used as an antiseptic, but we have much safer ones today, and it causes a lot of harm to the body.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;36214169]I think it is fine if weed, LSD, MDMA, and DMT are made legal, but meth, heroin, morphine, and other dangerous drugs, should be reserved for medical use(except PCP, it causes too much harm). PCP should be destroyed completely, it was used as an antiseptic, but we have much safer ones today, and it causes a lot of harm to the body.[/QUOTE] It's not right to tell people what the can and can't do with their own bodies, it's all okay or nothing is man.

Why not make it completely legal to distribute to adults? It would take so much money away from the militias that threaten the stability of other countries and it would create a lot of businesses, and with those businesses, jobs in cultivation. Do you guys have any idea how much fucking money cocaine would bring into our revenue if taxed?

[QUOTE=Coffee;36210425]Don't most people think they're addicted to weed because they mix it with tobacco to make it burn better, so they're actually addicted to the nicotine?[/QUOTE] I don't think it's to make it burn better, it's to combine the come up of the weed high with the quick head rush of tobacco. The two together have some sort of synergy making it more powerful and pleasurable, and can create a co-addiction sort of thing, where the person won't want to smoke tobacco without weed and vice versa.

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