[QUOTE=TamTamJam;36214676]I don't think it's to make it burn better, it's to combine the come up of the weed high with the quick head rush of tobacco. The two together have some sort of synergy making it more powerful and pleasurable, and can create a co-addiction sort of thing, where the person won't want to smoke tobacco without weed and vice versa.[/QUOTE]
it's both really, tobacco makes it burn way easier and also makes for an easier roll. but yea it also can give you a sick head rush and then the nicotine well yeah, nicotine.
Theres a shit load of ignorance on how safe LSD is and what it actually does. It's not some fun party drug that you take because everyone else is doing it. If you take just LSD and dont know shit about it or what it's going to do it WILL fuck your trip up. LSD in my opinion should be taken when the user wants to explore their mind or find his place in the universe. I really think it's way to much of a brutal soul/mind trip to just take all non-shalon. I wish I could do it way more often but I know I'd be abusing LSD if I just took it for the visuals or to feel my favorite music travel out of my tv and through my skin. LSD has left me with great feelings about life and how I percieve it that still last me to this day. Honestly..you kind of need to have an extremely open mind and have a bit of a wild animal complex deep down inside your soul to have a good experience with it. If you want to have intense visuals without you putting your soul and mind through an extremely traumatic experience, eat some shrooms. LSD is not a social drug, it is a life experience. Prepare to spend the night literally inside your mind when you take it. LSD should be respected more than any other drug out there. Personally I probably won't take it again for a long time just because I dont want the feelings that the last 2 trips have left me with to go away. I wont take it again unless I have a deep spiritual life question for my soul. LSD is the gateway to the truth that is in our minds that we normally wouldn't ever be able to access sober.
That being said..you're a fucking IDIOT if you think LSD is anywhere near as dangerous as cocaine, heroine, meth, ECT. Lsd effects the mind in beautiful or horrible ways (depending on who you are and why you're taking it) where as those drugs will tear your body apart if you abuse them.
[editline]5th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Killuah;36193892]What else would you use them for?
Enjoyment? Then you are escaping the problem that you can't enjoy life in other ways.
People are drinking pretty much solely to overcome their fears, to lose their inhibitions.
[editline]4th June 2012[/editline]
And that's an argument to legalize it or what?[/QUOTE]
"hurrr..I drop acid cause its so stinkin FUN!! =D"
No, guy..I drop it because it allows me to explore my mind and seek answers about myself that are hidden deep down inside my soul and require LSD to unlock.
I'm getting MDMA soon. Never done it before, should be quite fun. Rock'n it with a couple of buddys.
[QUOTE=Killuah;36198196][b]But you are not exploring your mind. You are exploring the malfunction of your mind.[/b]
[editline]4th June 2012[/editline]
[b]My argument would be that it's pretty damn easy to OD on these drugs, even weed.[/b]
Typical counterarguments would be "But so is it for alcohol" and my answer is "yes, yes indeed that's not a counterargument"
On top of that the body is developed to deal with certain amounts of alcohol, I wouldn't say that for the synthetic drugs.[/QUOTE]
I dont even know how to reply to this...there are like, no words I can even think of to respond to something this blatantly ignorant and fucking retarded.
[QUOTE=AK'z;36193853]I'm still not against drug-use, but I see people get through 2 packs of cigarettes a day and it doesn't hold my faith that society can withstand people getting addicted.
However... a lot more people nowadays are more well informed of the effects and health consequences.[/QUOTE]
neither LSD or MDMA is addictive. Why do facts still evade this argument?
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;36206001]Feel free to do what you want t your body, but I'm more concerned with what you might do to me when you're flying high on mushrooms and see me as a goddamn snickers.[/QUOTE]
Damn..this isn't quite as retarded as the "you can overdose on weed" comment but it's up there..do some fucking research before you post this shit out of your ass.
[QUOTE=AK'z;36208721]I've smoked before and never found it "addictive" at all. It was a shisha which is a lot more potent than cigarettes and I even felt a little dizzy after the experience.
Haven't smoked since and that was 3 years ago.
However, caffeine is definitely more addictive imo... each and every day I reckon I take in caffeine in some shape or form.[/QUOTE]
Nicotine on its own or in certain forms isn't extremely addictive. There is a MAO inhibitor in tobacco which, simplistically, primes your pleasure circuits.
Also I'm totally going to use that line in the future when cyborgs exist -
[I]"Prime your pleasure circuits, baby"[/I]
[editline]6th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Savyetski79;36215839]Damn..this isn't quite as retarded as the "you can overdose on weed" comment but it's up there..do some fucking research before you post this shit out of your ass.[/QUOTE]
You can overdose on weed, just not through smoking it.
[editline]6th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=macerator;36215769]neither LSD or MDMA is addictive. Why do facts still evade this argument?[/QUOTE]
Anything that feels good is addictive. The literature on addiction is a bit iffy, to say the least.
We're discussing physical addiction here, not psychological/mental addiction. Neither LSD nor MDMA or marijuana are physically addictive.
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;36213820]I think there should be a required exam that every single person needs to take before having the right to discuss legalization or decriminalization of drugs.
The exam would be a single question, and would be as follows: "How many grams of marijuana does the average person have to smoke to overdose?" and will have five possible multiple-choice answers to fill in, all of different non-zero measurements.
If the person taking the exam does not raise their hand and point out that the correct answer is not on the exam, and that the correct answer is "you can't," then they will not be given the right to talk on the matter.[/QUOTE]
That's clearly untrue, the correct answer is the amount of cannabis combusted to displace enough oxygen for a sufficient period of time for asphyxiation to occur, dependent on the size of the room and ventilation.
[QUOTE=Klammyxxl;36210353]I believe that the fact that it is additive free has something to do with how addictive it is. Not to mention, I think an addiction forms over time, as opposed to it starting with your first cigarette.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. But the shisha I had was a LOT more of a drug than a cigarette.
I'm kind of ashamed I did it at the time too, because my head was spinning.
I did enjoy the taste and feeling of it, but essentially to me it's a gimmick.
[QUOTE=Contag;36217327]That's clearly untrue, the correct answer is the amount of cannabis combusted to displace enough oxygen for a sufficient period of time for asphyxiation to occur, dependent on the size of the room and ventilation.[/QUOTE]Which isn't the marijuana's fault. You can die in a sealed room with no source of oxygen.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;36209052]If you were drinking coffee back when you smoked, it may explain why you didn't get addicted to a single smoke. As far as I know having an active, "satisfied" addiction kind of prevents new ones from popping up.[/QUOTE]
I'm not addicted to coffee you plum.
[QUOTE=TehWhale;36217362]Which isn't the marijuana's fault. You can die in a sealed room with no source of oxygen.[/QUOTE]
Clearly the cannabis has rotted your brain if you seriously think I was advocating the illegalisation of cannabis if the most significant harm was dying of asphyxiation.
[QUOTE=G-Guy;36204396]Quite the opposite in fact, MDMA is still going through studies regarding long-term effects, and the days after taking MDMA can literally be the most depressing time of your life.
I was tempted to edit this post because I assume Starlight15 got the wrong idea from it since he rated me Agree. LSD is still a wonderful drug, and MDMA is as well, just the effects should be noted before anyone fools around with either.[/QUOTE]
I felt fine in the days after I took MDMA.
[QUOTE=SatansSin;36193365]I'm not sure if you've ever taken LSD before, but it is not 'very very' safe.
If anything it'll scare you more so than any other movie, game, or person could.
Not sure MDMA, I'm sure it's used for the same reason LSD is.[/QUOTE]
Respect the drug and it respects you.. if you've heard stories of anyone dying or having a bad trip on psychedelic, chances are that they didn't do their research before taking said drug. You don't just consume a drug and hope for the best; you gotta read up on it.
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I think the government should make all drugs legal. Who are they to control what we put in our body? It's OUR body, we do what we want with it. They should only intervene if it puts others around you in danger such as operating a vehicle or anything like that. Not to mention it'll cool things down in Mexico...
[QUOTE=Contag;36217327]That's clearly untrue, the correct answer is the amount of cannabis combusted to displace enough oxygen for a sufficient period of time for asphyxiation to occur, dependent on the size of the room and ventilation.[/QUOTE]
that's not an overdose though
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;36206101]last time i checked we punished people when they committed crimes, not because they might???[/QUOTE]
Yesh, and we also try to prevent people commiting crimes.
[editline]6th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Arctic Snow;36207002]Why would you say imagine if coffee ran out, or cocaine dominated drug usage among people when they are never going to fucking happen. Please be more realistic, why the fuck would coffee suddenly run out one day when there is a huge demand for it?[/QUOTE]
Christ almighty facepunch is a stickler for taking something too literally. My point was that having a whole civilisation using a highly addictive substance can in no way be a sensible thing. Obviously not everyone would use it, and obviously the plant wouldn't just die all across the globe one day, but I'm sure you can see my point.
I don't care if stuff gets legalised, at least, as long as it isn't harmful of overly addicitive, do as much weed, LSD, what the fuck ever as you like, I don't care. I do start to care when my safety gets threatened. Of course (and I'm sure this will get promptly ignored), the chances of me being attacked by a stoner are much lower than being attacked by someone who just ingested enough PCP to make a fucking elephant trip balls.
Just keep the goddamn stuff away from me, and often the users too. And yes, I feel exactly the same way about certain legal drugs, such as alchohol and nicotine, though of course its much harder to avoid users of those two.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;36217564]Yesh, and we also try to prevent people commiting crimes.[/QUOTE]
ok so we arrest anyone that has a drink because that will prevent drunk driving??? we arrest people that own knives because that will prevent stabbings???????? this isn't minority report dude we can't arrest people for future crimes
dude, in London if you carry a knife on your person you will be arrested.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;36217691]ok so we arrest anyone that has a drink because that will prevent drunk driving??? we arrest people that own knives because that will prevent stabbings???????? this isn't minority report dude we can't arrest people for future crimes[/QUOTE]
No, we arrest people who are driving while drunk, because that will prevent drunk driving accidentes.
As for the knives, we do arrest most people with knives above a certain length. Because that will [I]help[/I] prevent stabbings, someone wants to stab someone they'll probably still manage it, mind.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;36217564]I don't care if stuff gets legalised, at least, as long as it isn't harmful of overly addicitive, do as much weed, LSD, what the fuck ever as you like, I don't care. I do start to care when my safety gets threatened. Of course (and I'm sure this will get promptly ignored), the chances of me being attacked by a stoner are much lower than being attacked by someone who just ingested enough PCP to make a fucking elephant trip balls.
Just keep the goddamn stuff away from me, and often the users too. And yes, I feel exactly the same way about certain legal drugs, such as alchohol and nicotine, though of course its much harder to avoid users of those two.[/QUOTE]
yeah this is fair enough, i don't like doing drugs with fuckheads so i generally just drink and get fucked up with my friends. and yes some people are gonna do stupid shit on drugs, but the vast majority won't. so punish the abusers, not me and my friends who use drugs (reasonably) responsibly
[QUOTE=Killuah;36198196]But you are not exploring your mind. You are exploring the malfunction of your mind.[/quote]
Malfunction? With that logic whenever you dream your brain is malfunctioning. Whenever you dream, your brain releases Dimethyltryptamine, or as you might know it as DMT, the killer drug.
[quote]My argument would be that it's pretty damn easy to OD on these drugs, even weed.[/QUOTE]
LOL
[QUOTE=AK'z;36217731]dude, in London if you carry a knife on your person you will be arrested.[/QUOTE]
yeah it's same here in NZ unless you have a good reason for it. but i mean that's not my point
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;36217753]yeah it's same here in NZ unless you have a good reason for it. but i mean that's not my point[/QUOTE]
Yeah but you said arresting people with knives won't prevent crime :v:
anyway carry on
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;36217735]No, we arrest people who are driving while drunk, because that will prevent drunk driving accidentes.
As for the knives, we do arrest most people with knives above a certain length. Because that will [I]help[/I] prevent stabbings, someone wants to stab someone they'll probably still manage it, mind.[/QUOTE]
exactly, we arrest people for committing the crime of drunk driving, not because they MIGHT commit it. so arrest people that do fucked shit on drugs, not because they MIGHT do fucked shit. and gosh, you were just complaining about facepunchers taking shit too literally!
[editline]6th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=AK'z;36217761]Yeah but you said arresting people with knives won't prevent crime :v:
anyway carry on[/QUOTE]
well it wont, i'm fairly sure london still has a huge number of stabbings haha
[QUOTE=HiddenMyst;36206465]Trust me, the last thing some kid wants is to be at work while still under the effects of LSD.[/QUOTE]
Lmfao fuck no that is not true. A few years back when me and a bunch of friends just of out high school were working in a pizza shop, we'd drop LSD. Granted this was a small business so it was easy to get away with fucking about and there was less pressure to work fast than a fast food chain.
But we did get weird looks when you realize you were staring at the pizza box for the last 30 seconds admiring the moving patterns.
I took molly once, I will never do that shit again. From personal experience it would make it wayy to easy for kids to get their hands on and fuck their brains up.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;36217735]As for the knives, we do arrest most people with knives above a certain length. Because that will [I]help[/I] prevent stabbings, someone wants to stab someone they'll probably still manage it, mind.[/QUOTE]
This presents a good parallel for drug use, though. If someone wants to use a drug enough, laws aren't going to stop them, only make it more difficult.
[QUOTE=modern nomad;36217751]Malfunction? With that logic whenever you dream your brain is malfunctioning. Whenever you dream, your brain releases Dimethyltryptamine, or as you might know it as DMT, the killer drug.
LOL[/QUOTE]
Dude youre just as bad as them by spreading that misinformation, that dmt creates dreams is literally just an idea a scientist said, there is nothing that suggests that it creates dreams
There's just too many fucking posts in this thread that are so beyond moronic.
Every day on facepunch is starting to feel like reading a thousand arm chair professionals telling us all they know more than ACTUAL fucking professionals.
Fuck.
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