[QUOTE=Savyetski79;36215496]Theres a shit load of ignorance on how safe LSD is and what it actually does. It's not some fun party drug that you take because everyone else is doing it. If you take just LSD and dont know shit about it or what it's going to do it WILL fuck your trip up. LSD in my opinion should be taken when the user wants to explore their mind or find his place in the universe. I really think it's way to much of a brutal soul/mind trip to just take all non-shalon. I wish I could do it way more often but I know I'd be abusing LSD if I just took it for the visuals or to feel my favorite music travel out of my tv and through my skin. LSD has left me with great feelings about life and how I percieve it that still last me to this day. Honestly..you kind of need to have an extremely open mind and have a bit of a wild animal complex deep down inside your soul to have a good experience with it. If you want to have intense visuals without you putting your soul and mind through an extremely traumatic experience, eat some shrooms. LSD is not a social drug, it is a life experience. Prepare to spend the night literally inside your mind when you take it. LSD should be respected more than any other drug out there. Personally I probably won't take it again for a long time just because I dont want the feelings that the last 2 trips have left me with to go away. I wont take it again unless I have a deep spiritual life question for my soul. LSD is the gateway to the truth that is in our minds that we normally wouldn't ever be able to access sober.
That being said..you're a fucking IDIOT if you think LSD is anywhere near as dangerous as cocaine, heroine, meth, ECT. Lsd effects the mind in beautiful or horrible ways (depending on who you are and why you're taking it) where as those drugs will tear your body apart if you abuse them.
[editline]5th June 2012[/editline]
"hurrr..I drop acid cause its so stinkin FUN!! =D"
No, guy..I drop it because it allows me to explore my mind and seek answers about myself that are hidden deep down inside my soul and require LSD to unlock.[/QUOTE]
Theres nothing wrong with taking it for fun as well, because LSD is fucking fun.
What is silly is how people assume that if you take drugs to have fun you can only have fun that way, it actually means on top of the fun i can have while sober i can also have drug fun therefore there is more fun in my life.
[editline]6th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;36218777]There's just too many fucking posts in this thread that are so beyond moronic.
Every day on facepunch is starting to feel like reading a thousand arm chair professionals telling us all they know more than ACTUAL fucking professionals.
Fuck.[/QUOTE]
I've done a university paper on drugs so I feel pretty confident with what I say about drugs :v:
i take drugs because i like getting fucked up. i don't give a shit about what anyone else thinks of that because frankly it has nothing to do with anyone else. i only give a shit when people try to have me fucked over by john law!
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;36218777]There's just too many fucking posts in this thread that are so beyond moronic.
Every day on facepunch is starting to feel like reading a thousand arm chair professionals telling us all they know more than ACTUAL fucking professionals.
Fuck.[/QUOTE]
That is a result of your desire to kill your mother and have sex with your father.
I would know, I am a professional psychoanalyst.
[editline]6th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;36218804]
I've done a university paper on drugs so I feel pretty confident with what I say about drugs :v:[/QUOTE]
A 'university paper' on 'drugs' isn't particularly specific.
I've analysed the modalities of crime conducted by heroin users in Melbourne and Sydney via a Mertonian framework (with some Ohlin and Cloward thrown in) for a criminology subject, but that doesn't make me qualified to speak on the neurochemical aspects of MDMA withdrawal, for instance.
[editline]6th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;36218412]Lmfao fuck no that is not true. A few years back when me and a bunch of friends just of out high school were working in a pizza shop, we'd drop LSD. Granted this was a small business so it was easy to get away with fucking about and there was less pressure to work fast than a fast food chain.
But we did get weird looks when you realize you were staring at the pizza box for the last 30 seconds admiring the moving patterns.[/QUOTE]
I think he's thinking of handfuls of anticholinergics there.
[QUOTE=Savyetski79;36215727]I dont even know how to reply to this...there are like, no words I can even think of to respond to something this blatantly ignorant and fucking retarded.[/QUOTE]
to be fair he by od he clearly meant smoke too much and suffer a panic attack or similar. Not literally die.
same thing happens when I smoke weed. Hence I don't smoke it.
It's very simple really.
[editline]6th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gareth;36195097]krokodil only exists because heroin is illegal, why would someone want to inject an extremely un-pure substitute when they could get potentially 100% pure heroin instead?[/QUOTE]
This, krokodil is desomorphine. You can make it in your kitchen by reducing codeine like you would ephedrine to methamphetamine.
They don't bother to clean the product and it's left extremely impure and full of toxic byproducts like phosphorus and other nasties. Inject those and that's what rots your skin.
Pure desomorphine will not rot you.
[QUOTE=Contag;36219108]A 'university paper' on 'drugs' isn't particularly specific.
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He means he wrote a university paper under the influence of a drug.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;36218777]There's just too many fucking posts in this thread that are so beyond moronic.
Every day on facepunch is starting to feel like reading a thousand arm chair professionals telling us all they know more than ACTUAL fucking professionals.
Fuck.[/QUOTE]
this sums up this thread pretty concisely
David Nutt's always had this viewpoint, only reason he's making another BIG SHINY CONTROVERSIAL press release is to promote his new book
It's a bit crass, really -there's not going to be any move on the govt's part, especially a bloke who was kicked out his post for ruffling too many feathers- he's trying to make an omelette using a blowtorch and a sledgehammer
[QUOTE=Contag;36219108]That is a result of your desire to kill your mother and have sex with your father.
I would know, I am a professional psychoanalyst.
[editline]6th June 2012[/editline]
A 'university paper' on 'drugs' isn't particularly specific.
I've analysed the modalities of crime conducted by heroin users in Melbourne and Sydney via a Mertonian framework (with some Ohlin and Cloward thrown in) for a criminology subject, but that doesn't make me qualified to speak on the neurochemical aspects of MDMA withdrawal, for instance.
[editline]6th June 2012[/editline]
I think he's thinking of handfuls of anticholinergics there.[/QUOTE]
It was a paper called drugs and society, it when in detail about a lot of recreational drugs. It was a pharmacy paper so it went into a lot of detail.
Also for like the past 4 years I have researched all sorts of drugs in detail and how they work chemically etc
I think that all drugs should be legalized so long as they don't cause harm to others in the process. Like how you can get as drunk as you want but not in public.
Aside from a few people, FP is full of armchair experts.
Cool somebody else said exactly that
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;36214169]I think it is fine if weed, LSD, MDMA, and DMT are made legal, but meth, heroin, morphine, and other dangerous drugs, should be reserved for medical use(except PCP, it causes too much harm). PCP should be destroyed completely, it was used as an antiseptic, but we have much safer ones today, and it causes a lot of harm to the body.[/QUOTE]
This doesn't make sense. First of all, meth is available via prescription already (at least in the US, not sure about elsewhere - look up desoxyn). Heroin is not toxic, but extremely addictive. It's the fillers that can be toxic. Morphine, once again, is prescription. Who are you to decide what's dangerous? Leave it to the research.
As for PCP, most of those stories you hear are myths, and it was never an antiseptic (are you thinking of formaldehyde? I can't tell, because that's not typically used as an antiseptic, although it does exhibit antiseptic properties. Important note: PCP is not actually embalming fluid). Some guy may have sliced his face off and fed it to his dogs, but there's no actual public record of the police report or medical report of it actually happening, much less evidence suggesting he was on PCP. The myths about superhuman strength are completely false. It will, however, detach you from physical sensations (such as pain), but so will cough syrup (dextromethorphan hbr). You don't see people with superhuman strength after taking that, or mxe, ketamine, etc...
It really bothers me when people who are trying to argue how other drugs are perfectly fine (lsd, weed, etc...), then they believe the media hype about other drugs, such as PCP. I'm not saying PCP is harmless, just take everything in moderation.
Also, "reserving" a drug for medical uses doesn't keep it out of the hands of people who are going to use/abuse it without a prescription. People will get prescriptions, just to sell the medication and make a profit.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;36217691]ok so we arrest anyone that has a drink because that will prevent drunk driving??? we arrest people that own knives because that will prevent stabbings???????? this isn't minority report dude we can't arrest people for future crimes[/QUOTE]
This logic seems to come out a lot with the "ban shit" crowd. If someone is gonna do something irresponsible while on drugs like drink driving then whether the drugs are legal or not is irrelevant - the person is the problem and will probably do it regardless.
I support full legalisation of all drugs with a rational scientific regulatory approach tailored to each one individually. People who endanger others will endanger others and will be punished as they already are.
[QUOTE=Killuah;36198196]
My argument would be that it's pretty damn easy to OD on these drugs, [B]even weed[/B].
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It is physically impossible to smoke enough weed fast enough to OD. Your body simply doesn't process it fast enough.
Im pretty sure you would die of having no oxygen before you died of a weed overdose
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;36221207]Im pretty sure you would die of having no oxygen before you died of a weed overdose[/QUOTE]
It's like this. You'd die from carbon monooxide before the THC kills you. So I'd say weed is pretty darn safe.
If you're just looking at Delta-9 THC, you [i]could[/i] overdose. The LD50 in rats was shown to be 666mg/kg when taken orally. That means if you weigh 75kg (165 lb), you would need to ingest (if we have the same LD50 as rats) 49,950mg of THC to overdose. That's about 50 grams, and good luck getting that much pure THC.
Party on.
[QUOTE=FalseLogic;36222193]If you're just looking at Delta-9 THC, you [i]could[/i] overdose. The LD50 in rats was shown to be 666mg/kg when taken orally. That means if you weigh 75kg (165 lb), you would need to ingest (if we have the same LD50 as rats) 49,950mg of THC to overdose. That's about 50kg (110 lb), and good luck getting that much THC.[/QUOTE]
Wow, a trip that does actually result in floating off to Heaven.
[QUOTE=FalseLogic;36222193]If you're just looking at Delta-9 THC, you [i]could[/i] overdose. The LD50 in rats was shown to be 666mg/kg when taken orally. That means if you weigh 75kg (165 lb), you would need to ingest (if we have the same LD50 as rats) 49,950mg of THC to overdose. That's about 50kg (110 lb), and good luck getting that much THC.[/QUOTE]
eh? do you mean 50kg of cannabis plant or 50kg of pure thc?
cos 49,950mg is just shy of 50 grammes
IDK about you guys but smoking 110 lbs of weed sounds pretty funny.
Roll it up into a giant joint and bench press it in between hits.
[QUOTE=Killuah;36193805]
The only reason why alcohol is not illegal is because it's so well established.[/QUOTE]
This statement is quite true, alcohol is about as scary of a drug as it gets. How many other substances, when overused can result in death due to the user quitting? (Delirium tremens)
[QUOTE=joe588;36222602]eh? do you mean 50kg of cannabis plant or 50kg of pure thc?
cos 49,950mg is just shy of 50 grammes[/QUOTE]
made a mistake. corrected. my bad
Looked up thc in weed content though, and apparently it's 6-10 mg of thc per gram of weed. So, assuming potent weed (10mg/g), you're looking at 5000g of weed. So 5 kg.
[QUOTE=FalseLogic;36222193]If you're just looking at Delta-9 THC, you [I]could[/I] overdose. The LD50 in rats was shown to be 666mg/kg when taken orally. That means if you weigh 75kg (165 lb), you would need to ingest (if we have the same LD50 as rats) 49,950mg of THC to overdose. That's about 50kg (110 lb), and good luck getting that much THC.[/QUOTE]
Your math is off.
666mg*75kg= 49,950mg, Yes.
But 49,950mg ≠ 50 kg. 49,950 is 49.95 grams. Still a substantial amount of Δ9-THC, more than one could ever hope to consume.
Oh someone beat me to it.
[editline]6th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=FalseLogic;36223279]made a mistake. corrected. my bad
Looked up thc in weed content though, and apparently it's 6-10 mg of thc per gram of weed. So, assuming potent weed (10mg/g), you're looking at 5000g of weed. So 5 kg.[/QUOTE]
Which is still an absurd amount, comparing the LD50 of THC to most medications (even those available over the counter) it becomes apparent that it's quite harmless in immediate relative terms. The only concerning thing I've ever encountered in reading about cannabinoids is that they might effect catechol-O[I]-[/I]methyltranferase function (albeit temporarily from what I've seen). This could have both postive and negative implications. For individuals with conditions pertaining to catecholamine neutransmitters it could causes issues (eg schizophrenics, if I recall correctly) . For others, however, it could be used to treat conditions which result in insufficient production of those neurotransmitters. It's rare that we're concerned with the LD50:ED50 outside of the context of dosage, for cannabis at least, it's the long term effects of chronic usage which raise concerns. I'm very much for legalization, but I want nothing but truth to be spoken.
Consuming pure THC isn't the same as smoking weed. It's obvious you could overdose if you ate a goddamn huge amount of edibles containing it, but that's extracted THC still.
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