Trump Pardons Sheriff Joe Arpaio - Polidicks

It's really strange to me that you can undermine the justice system in such a way as president, is this setting him on another crash course with the courts or is there nothing to be done?

[QUOTE=Streecer;52615537]It's really strange to me that you can undermine the justice system in such a way as president, is this setting him on another crash course with the courts or is there nothing to be done?[/QUOTE] If the executive branch refuses enforce judicial decisions, the judicial branch is essentially powerless. (The judicial branch doesn't control any police or military forces - directly, at least.) It could be challenged but there is no real precedent to this. The court could just ignore the pardon and continue to sentencing, but then the executive branch still doesn't enforce it. Then you end up with a constitutional crisis. Nobody's really asked these questions before because nobody thought someone as stupid and irresponsible as Trump would have the power to pardon. That said, it's questionable whether he would still be liable for state charges, to which a presidential pardon doesn't apply.

[QUOTE=Streecer;52615537]It's really strange to me that you can undermine the justice system in such a way as president, is this setting him on another crash course with the courts or is there nothing to be done?[/QUOTE] nothing that can be done, but he can probably be sued for other things not related to what he was pardoned for.

TBH if there's anyone out there who deserves to be on the on the receiving end of any harsh punishment it's people like Joe Arpaio - this is a man who's office oversaw piss poor prison conditions (in which a pregnant woman lost her healthy child due to delayed treatment), blatantly racially profiled people despite being ordered to stop by the courts and ignored/overlooked rape and sexual abuse cases which IIRC often involved children. He's an embodiment of why the "cowboy sheriff" trope doesn't work and an example of what's wrong with the US justice system. That Trump has given him a free pass on this is deplorable and sets a terrible precedent that the abuses this man committed are acceptable.

[QUOTE=meharryp;52614957][url]https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6w37y6/sheriff_joe_arpaio_is_a_true_patriot_and_deserves/[/url] I actually can't believe that these people exist. [editline]a[/editline] Like how much of a self-centred, ignorant, psychopathic person do you have to be to think that a man who ran prisons with abysmal conditions, where most of the prisoners in there weren't even charged, is a good person and deserves a presidential fucking pardon[/QUOTE] The really fucking braindead part about that is what he calls a "liberal paradise" sounds pretty god damn nice

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;52615403]Is there anything the international community could do? If this guy was in a war, these would be egregious war crimes.[/QUOTE] No. No country will want to upset relations with the States even if the man in charge is a utter degenerate.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52615712]If he accepts the pardon, it'll be an admission of guilt, and he will be liable in civil courts[/QUOTE] you can't accept or deny a pardon, trump has said, in the eyes of the US justice system he has not committed any crimes, him accepting it or not is irrelevant [editline]26th August 2017[/editline] it does make one hell of a case for abuse of office though to pardon a convicted man who was a key campaign ally and donor to you.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52615712]If he accepts the pardon, it'll be an admission of guilt, and he will be liable in civil courts[/QUOTE] You don't "accept" a pardon, the police just don't follow the orders of the courts to enforce judgement. You don't have to do anything. In fact, you can't do anything, unless you go out of your way to make them rescind the pardon.

[QUOTE=Snowmew;52615991]You don't "accept" a pardon, the police just don't follow the orders of the courts to enforce judgement. You don't have to do anything. In fact, you can't do anything, unless you go out of your way to make them rescind the pardon.[/QUOTE] "I'll show'em i'm guity of murder!"

Its hard to tell in the moment but I think this a massive point in American history that will get looked back on. I can really see having learned about this in school alongside Brown v. Board of Ed. and Jim Crow laws and stuff..

It is also amazingly cowardly to do this while the strongest hurricane in years is smashing into Texas

[media]https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/901485168900284416[/media] Read this tweet Thread it get's worse.

Regardless of the pardon he's 85. justice will come soon enough. Oh and if that isn't enough for you the Judges are most likely pissed as fuck and will be watching his every move now.

[QUOTE=Shirt.;52616488]Regardless of the pardon he's 85. justice will come soon enough. Oh and if that isn't enough for you the Judges are most likely pissed as fuck and will be watching his every move now.[/QUOTE] Trumps still managed to shit on the rule of law and the judiciary based on little more than allegiance to each other and avoidance of the rules

[QUOTE=Shirt.;52616488]Regardless of the pardon he's 85. justice will come soon enough. Oh and if that isn't enough for you the Judges are most likely pissed as fuck and will be watching his every move now.[/QUOTE] oh man, really? they'll be [I]watching[/I] him while he undermines the government by exploiting his power? what a relief, for a minute there I was worried

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52616335][media]https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/901485168900284416[/media] Read this tweet Thread it get's worse.[/QUOTE] Twitter is basically the dumbest platform for people to make posts like this. TL;DR: Arpaio is a figurehead for the "Constitutional Sheriffs" movement, one of many anti-government extremists (dominated mostly by sovereign citizens) and some of the more dangerous ones at that given their power. Trump's pardon validates that nonsense and heavily undermines the federal government.

These last few months have been quite the stress test of the american system of government

[QUOTE=Shirt.;52616488]Regardless of the pardon he's 85. justice will come soon enough. Oh and if that isn't enough for you the Judges are most likely pissed as fuck and will be watching his every move now.[/QUOTE] Him dying as a free man isn't justice.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;52616538]oh man, really? they'll be [I]watching[/I] him while he undermines the government by exploiting his power? what a relief, for a minute there I was worried[/QUOTE] Damn straight you shouldn't be worried. Judges have as much mercy as dobermans do and don't give a rats ass what side of the political spectrum your on, the law is the law.

WaPo reports Trump tried to have the DOJ end its case against Arpaio back in the spring, before deciding it would be easier to just pardon him after conviction [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/trump-asked-sessions-about-closing-case-against-arpaio-an-ally-since-birtherism/2017/08/26/15e5d7b2-8a7f-11e7-a94f-3139abce39f5_story.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Snowmew;52616558]Twitter is basically the dumbest platform for people to make posts like this. TL;DR: Arpaio is a figurehead for the "Constitutional Sheriffs" movement, one of many anti-government extremists (dominated mostly by sovereign citizens) and some of the more dangerous ones at that given their power. Trump's pardon validates that nonsense and heavily undermines the federal government.[/QUOTE] Twitter is one of the biggest social media sites and makes it super easy to share stories/news with people even if they're not keyed into a forum or read/watch the news everyday. Theres no reason not to use Twitter as a platform for this, even the 140 character limit is easily fixed by using threads, where you only have to link the top tweet to link all of them, like exactly what they did here.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52616904]Am I the only one who has noticed how quiet Trump's most loyal brown nosers on FP have been the last few months?[/QUOTE]They're not gonna jump into here just to get shat on left and right; they'd rather defend the president if it was with a less sensitive topic. It proves though that there's nothing to logically defend, since the adminstration (except for Mattis) is just downright horrible.

[QUOTE=Shirt.;52616862]Damn straight you shouldn't be worried. Judges have as much mercy as dobermans do and don't give a rats ass what side of the political spectrum your on, the law is the law.[/QUOTE] except when you're pardoned ;)

[QUOTE=Cone;52614985]the fact that Trump is now so brazenly trying to court white supremacists says one thing: pure desperation if he feels the need to reinforce a base that is (or was) possibly the most dogmatic and dedicated in American history, it means he's given up all hope of ever expanding beyond the 20% of the population who strongly approve of him. which isn't exactly a winning strategy in a democracy, even a gerrymandered one[/QUOTE] I'm not sure he was ever trying. You really have to try in order to burn as many bridges as quickly as he did, and it seems pretty in-character for him to be unwilling to work for more approval.

[QUOTE=Snowmew;52615559]If the executive branch refuses enforce judicial decisions, the judicial branch is essentially powerless. (The judicial branch doesn't control any police or military forces - directly, at least.) It could be challenged but there is no real precedent to this. The court could just ignore the pardon and continue to sentencing, but then the executive branch still doesn't enforce it. Then you end up with a constitutional crisis. Nobody's really asked these questions before because nobody thought someone as stupid and irresponsible as Trump would have the power to pardon. That said, it's questionable whether he would still be liable for state charges, to which a presidential pardon doesn't apply.[/QUOTE] I've often wondered what the founding fathers would have to say if they could see what's going on these days. Would they go back and re-write the Bill of Rights?

[QUOTE=Judas;52615530]At this rate, 7 years[/QUOTE] While it wouldn't surprise me if he somehow did get reelected if he makes it through the full four years, I think you may be underestimating the American people. There's a lot of morons still in support of Trump but a lot of conservatives are goign to be reluctant to vote for him unless there's no better choice. And unless the Democrats field a candidate as unlikable as Clinton (an unfortunate possibility since they're so reluctant to learn their lesson) more moderate conservatives are going to be more open to voting for another party simply to avoid Trump getting back into office. [QUOTE=Lambeth;52616217]It is also amazingly cowardly to do this while the strongest hurricane in years is smashing into Texas[/QUOTE] So what you're saying is it's typical and expected from Trump of all people? [QUOTE=Vodkavia;52616904]Am I the only one who has noticed how quiet Trump's most loyal brown nosers on FP have been the last few months?[/QUOTE] That's because this is an action they either know they can't defend or one they outright disagree with. And despite the fact that criticizing Trump once in awhile would help their credibility on the site they simply can't do that so they'd rather just argue in intellectually dishonest fashions and make themselves out to be more of a joke than they already are.

[QUOTE=MedicWine;52616108]Its hard to tell in the moment but I think this a massive point in American history that will get looked back on. I can really see having learned about this in school alongside Brown v. Board of Ed. and Jim Crow laws and stuff..[/QUOTE] Not to mention what is essentially becoming "McCarthyism 2: Bad Hair-do Boogaloo", what with all the "liberals are evil COMMIES" nonsense I've seen spread around.

I thought I knew who Joe Arpaio is but some of the posts in this thread (but really Snowmews) shows I knew [B]nothing[/B]. Trump pardoned a monster.

[QUOTE]Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) sharply criticized President Donald Trump's Friday pardon of Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his directive to halt recruitment of transgender troops Friday — just as Hurricane Harvey was barreling towards the Texas coastline. "As millions of people in TX and LA are prepping for the Hurricane, the President is using the cover of the storm to pardon a man who violated a court's order to stop discriminating against Latinos and Ban courageous transgender men and women from serving in our nation's Armed Forces," Schumer posted in a series of tweets. A spokesman said House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.) opposed the pardon. He was the highest-ranking Republican lawmaker to do so. “The speaker does not agree with the decision,” Ryan spokesman Doug Andres said in a statement. “Law-enforcement officials have a special responsibility to respect the rights of everyone in the United States. We should not allow anyone to believe that responsibility is diminished by this pardon.”[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/26/schumer-mccain-trump-arpaio-pardon-242065[/url]

You wonder why a lot of minorities are terrified of Trump... Trump just pardoned a man who bragged about making prison camps for minorities and calling them "Concentration Camps..."