• NJ 6-year-old dies a day after being shot by playmate.
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;40227138]well the surefire way to tell if finnish children have a tendency to grab guns can be tested by leaving a bunch of guns unattended in houses with 4 year old children. and i never said it was as likely to happen in finland, i said a finnish baby would probably be as apt to grab an accessible weapon as an american baby regardless of gun culture. there are a multitude of things that can make gun deaths less likely in finland. that doesn't mean the children are inherently less inclined to do something. it just means that gun accessibility is low.[/QUOTE] you just contradicted yourself saying that you said it wasn't as likely to happen in finland but that it would just as well happen in finland i'm not really sure what your position is here? are finnish babies more or less or exactly the same likeliness as an american child to pick up a gun and shoot someone in the face???
So the weapon was stored with the safety off, loaded, and within the reach of a toddler... This is why we can't have nice things.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;40227185]you just contradicted yourself saying that you said it wasn't as likely to happen in finland but that it would just as well happen in finland i'm not really sure what your position is here? are finnish babies more or less or exactly the same likeliness as an american child to pick up a gun and shoot someone in the face???[/QUOTE] you implied that american children are more inclined to pick up a gun and shoot someone. that is asinine.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40227254]you implied that american children are more inclined to pick up a gun and shoot someone. that is asinine.[/QUOTE] i did absolutely no such thing and made absolutely no such comparison to anything, you're the one who did that. do not misinterpret my posts. please read them again and pay close attention. i said that factors leading to young children shooting people in the united states are: common worldwide media that values violence and the american gun culture. i never said that this makes american children any more or less likely to pick up a gun and shoot someone in the face with it. you are the one who started the comparative analysis by asking the question regarding finnish children. [editline]9th April 2013[/editline] as you brought up that question (allegedly claiming that they are the same rates), I simply asked for validation via news stories. [editline]9th April 2013[/editline] which i am still waiting for
[QUOTE=Eeshton;40226441]Doesn't seem that far-fetched honestly. Probably went something like, he found it, thought it looked cool/guns from da tv!!, went to show his friend, ended in tragedy :([/QUOTE] I'd say they were playing cops and robbers.
[QUOTE=Killer900;40226439]Because the media eats this shit up, it's fucking sick. [b]Ironically,[/b] we eat it up too.[/QUOTE] I don't think that word means what you think it means. And wow this kid will need some therapy to get over this. [editline]10th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Corey_Faure;40227052]I wish more schools would teach gun safety. Not a school I've been to has even TOUCHED the issue. Not once. Being a Junior and have gone to two different high schools, this raises alarm for me.[/QUOTE] Because guns scare some people, and others wouldn't want to use them. It couldn't be mandatory for everyone to take.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40227104]since the asshole left the weapon accessible they probably left it with the safety off as well.[/QUOTE] The article says the kid wandered into the shed, picked up the gun, and brought it back and then shot his friend. That implies to me he knew where it was rather than it just being lying on the sofa.
It's so depressing that this keeps happening. really wish people would exercise enough care for their weapons to not let them get in the hands of children who aren't safety-aware around guns like this
Maybe the parent should've had the gun locked up with no ammo and the safety on.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;40226404]Gun safety is generally taught to all students in high school. Its a shame that it isn't really taught outside of that.[/QUOTE] Not in Canada.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;40227574]The article says the kid wandered into the shed, picked up the gun, and brought it back and then shot his friend. That implies to me he knew where it was rather than it just being lying on the sofa.[/QUOTE] Maybe not on the sofa, but it was still in reach loaded and with the safety off.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;40226404]Gun safety is generally taught to all students in high school. Its a shame that it isn't really taught outside of that.[/QUOTE] i'm actually worried that you think you can/have to teach 4 year olds gun safety
Less gun's around mean's less gun accidents, America has alotta of guns.
I wonder how you explain this to the kid when he's grown up, if at all.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;40227348]i did absolutely no such thing and made absolutely no such comparison to anything, you're the one who did that. do not misinterpret my posts. please read them again and pay close attention. i said that factors leading to young children shooting people in the united states are: common worldwide media that values violence and the american gun culture. i never said that this makes american children any more or less likely to pick up a gun and shoot someone in the face with it. you are the one who started the comparative analysis by asking the question regarding finnish children. [editline]9th April 2013[/editline] as you brought up that question (allegedly claiming that they are the same rates), I simply asked for validation via news stories. [editline]9th April 2013[/editline] which i am still waiting for[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=BrickInHead;40226655]because children learn at a very young age that people with guns are cool due the media and due to the overarching gun culture in the united states[/QUOTE] do you have short term memory loss or do you just post without thinking? if you didn't mean what you said, next time choose your words more carefully so you don't look completely ignorant.
ugh seriously, when my dad got guns he taught us how to handle them properly, why the hell do parents not put a lock on these damn things
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40227901]do you have short term memory loss or do you just post without thinking? if you didn't mean what you said, next time choose your words more carefully so you don't look completely ignorant.[/QUOTE] i know precisely what I've said, perhaps you ought to read it again. (hint: just because the american gun culture exists does not mean that it makes american children any more predisposed than any other state, but to claim that american gun culture isn't having an effect is downright ignorant.) [editline]10th April 2013[/editline] i'm sorry that you have difficulty reading words.
Just a reminder, New Jersey has some of the toughest gun laws in the Country.
and considering you're the one who brought up comparative perspectives, i'm still waiting on that finnish kid who shot a friend in the face
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;40227963]i know precisely what I've said, perhaps you ought to read it again. (hint: just because the american gun culture exists does not mean that it makes american children any more predisposed than any other state, but to claim that american gun culture isn't having an effect is downright ignorant.) [editline]10th April 2013[/editline] i'm sorry that you have difficulty reading words.[/QUOTE] yea i keep reading the post and every time i do i feel a bit nauseous because of how ridiculous it sounds. you literally implied an american child grabbed a gun and shot his playmate because of american gun culture.
are you trying to say that the pure american obsession with firearms and manhood has nothing to do with normalizing violence as play because if you are i'd say that's a rather foolish thing to think! [editline]10th April 2013[/editline] and i'm still waiting on that finnish kid who shot someone in the face
I can't even imagine what I'd think if some kid that young can go into his house and come out with a gun and kill someone right in front of me. What level of stupidity does it take for this to happen, it's almost beyond comprehension. There's probably some lame excuse behind this, someone was 'cleaning' their gun or was going out shooting, but put the gun down 'for a minute' while they did something else. Coincidentally the little kid comes in right then and finds it.
to try and keep this from devolving into the bbq thread 2.0 it could have been one of those trigger safety pistols (afaik glocks are one) which i think is the dumbest idea ever but i'm not a gunsmith so what do i know
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;40228030]are you trying to say that the pure american obsession with firearms and manhood has nothing to do with normalizing violence as play because if you are i'd say that's a rather foolish thing to think! [editline]10th April 2013[/editline] and i'm still waiting on that finnish kid who shot someone in the face[/QUOTE] i think the fact that 4 year olds are naturally curious, see a shiny thing, and naturally want to play with it plays a bigger part than american gun culture. but wtf do i know
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40228088]i think the fact that 4 year olds are naturally curious, see a shiny thing, and naturally want to play with it plays a bigger part than american gun culture. but wtf do i know[/QUOTE] dude he picked up a [I]rifle and shot his friend in the head with it.[/I] [editline]10th April 2013[/editline] that's a tad bit more than picking up something shiny and fucking around with it. don't underestimate young children, they are extremely perceptive of gendered norms and know that they should gravitate towards certain things and again, still waiting on that finnish kid [editline]10th April 2013[/editline] children are taught that violence is good from a really young age, before they know the true implications of it. kids play cops and robbers and bullshit like that where they use finger guns like it's nothing. that combined with our gun culture and our hyper masculine culture? cmon
Storing a gun loaded (retard) with safety off (full retard) and in the reach of your 4 year old son (full retard to the max squared)
were they playing cod a lot?
[QUOTE=canofcats;40228448]were they playing cod a lot?[/QUOTE] Lets not blame video games.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;40226415]I think at this point it's quite clear that we can't rely on people not being so stupid.[/QUOTE] Well it [I]IS[/I] the US. It's pretty much mandatory for microwave oven manufacturers to put a sticker on it that warns the consumer that they shouldn't dry their beloved pet in it.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;40226386]*braces for inevitable gun control debate we've been having since Newtown* An unfounded tragedy because some parents weren't quite clever enough to keep their gun out of the reach of their child without their supervision.[/QUOTE] I agree Article should be more along the lines of "idiot parents allow their kid easy access to a loaded, non-safety-enabled firearm; leads to death of one"
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