EU Commissioner Reveals He Will Simply Ignore Any Rejection Of ACTA By European Parliament Next Week - Polidicks

[QUOTE=V12US;36499169]Why the hammer/sickle?[/QUOTE] Because it sure as hell isn't a democracy anymore.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36498332]"Democracy can only be purchased with blood" Right, because the subcontinent of India won freedom from the British Empire in a bloody and protracted war of independence.[/QUOTE] Oh right. You mean that thing that took years and years and years and years and the only reason they got their desired outcome was because their oppressors became weak. Difference between these two situations being that our oppressors are in our own country and not halfway across the globe, and that our oppressors are strong because we allow them to be strong. But, if you're on about the word 'only,' then I have to concede that you're correct :v:

I'd rather live in China.

[QUOTE=MR-X;36498540]"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." ~~Call Of Dutyz~~[/QUOTE] Thomas Jefferson, actually.

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;36497706]i dunno, the general consensus on FP is anti-EU[/QUOTE] Its mixed. They don't see the actual benefits.

[QUOTE=Irkalla;36497508] Meanwhile, here in America, people have forgotten why we have our second amendment. It's not just a nice thing, "Oh hey cool you let me have guns, thanks." No. It doesn't say that we have the right to [B]own [/B]arms (though it goes without saying,) we have the right to [B]bear [/B]arms. [B]As in, bear them against our government when they resort to despotism and totalitarianism, and give in to greed and corruption[/B].[/QUOTE] Then why haven't you all done this yet? I thought it was pretty much common knowledge the US government was corrupted.

This is it boys, this means war. More or less.

[QUOTE=V12US;36498393]Arabian Spring says hi. You don't need guns for a revolution. Besides, the US would never have a revolution, because the majority of the population is brainwashed to such a degree that they'd sooner take up weapons against all dem goshdarned domestic terr'rists rather than fight for freedom. Europeans may not be armed, but at least we can tell when our governments are trying to fuck us up the ass. Meanwhile, Americans are worried whether their president is too black or not religious enough.[/QUOTE]That is a ridiculously inaccurate generalization, support for Congress is lower than support for Ghadaffi's corpse, mistrust of ALL public institutions is at an all-time high, etc. Just because we aren't out in the streets vadalizing property and supporting neo-nazi or socialist political parties does not mean complacency at all and just because we don't go out and riot when our government attempts economic austerity measures doesn't mean no one cares about real issues. Every time someone makes a blanket statement about government corruption I seriously wonder how much they actually know about how the different levels of government function or what the word corrupt actually means. What's even better is when someone talks about armed revolt as if the democratic system isn't properly functioning, how fucking dense can you possibly be.

[QUOTE=Irkalla;36497508]The main problem with the governments in europe and america is that their peoples haven't put fear into them by arming themselves and getting rid of them, by bloody means or otherwise. They, the governments, are unafraid. In fact, we're conditioned to think that revolution is a crazy idea. The truth is, money can only purchase so much. Some things, like the rule of democracy, can only be purchased with blood. Then again, quite a few european peoples have lain down and let their governments either restrict access to, or even outright take their rifles, pistols, and even some primitive weapons like muzzleloaders or long knives. They aren't afraid of you anymore, and rightly so. You gonna depose them with sticks and stones? Meanwhile, here in America, people have forgotten why we have our second amendment. It's not just a nice thing, "Oh hey cool you let me have guns, thanks." No. It doesn't say that we have the right to [B]own [/B]arms (though it goes without saying,) we have the right to [B]bear [/B]arms. As in, bear them against our government when they resort to despotism and totalitarianism, and give in to greed and corruption. [I]"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."[/I] -Unknown, though usually attributed to either Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, or Thomas Paine. [SUB]Now, I know this may seem a little of a brash statement regarding the topic of this discussion, but I speak in regards to corruption of governments in general. Broadened the discussion, if you will.[/SUB][/QUOTE] Riiight, let's just kill everyone and destabilize the fragile system and throw everything into chaos, I'm sure the desperate civilians emerging from the aftermath will have the level-headed rationality and sanity to vote for the best kind of leaders imaginable. Completely impossible they'd go for the extremist nuts with the big promises or whoever shouts the loudest and can silence their opponents best. Yeah I can totally see that work out just fine.

[QUOTE=Fear_Fox;36500057]Then why haven't you all done this yet? I thought it was pretty much common knowledge the US government was corrupted.[/QUOTE] Most of America is either lazy or just plain stupid. We need to get some Rednecks. [editline]26th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;36501016]Riiight, let's just kill everyone and destabilize the fragile system and throw everything into chaos,[/QUOTE] Isn't that sorta the point of a revolution?

[QUOTE=oskutin;36499066]Eu's new flag. [IMG]http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs42/i/2009/097/0/c/Soviet_EU_v_2_by_nmatech.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] [IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AJKkY8Lji4k/Tak9VmB6UMI/AAAAAAAAAyc/SiZ5e0iW5gA/s1600/EU_swastika.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Ridge;36499540]Thomas Jefferson, actually.[/QUOTE] I thought it was Benjamin Franklin. [editline]26th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;36498168]is this satire[/QUOTE] If it's satire to point out a blatent fact about pieces of legislation written 200 years ago that still have importance today with so much government incompetency then I guess this is satire.

Y'know, I always wonder if people will look back on this society/government as if it was us looking back on the dark ages, or the imperialistic monarchies of the 11th-18th century. I wonder how people will be then, but I still think that it is better to focus on the now, and fix the problems we have before we try to advance to some hypothetical superiority. ACTA is a problem and this asshole hopefully won't sway them too much.

[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;36501016]Riiight, let's just kill everyone and destabilize the fragile system and throw everything into chaos [/QUOTE] You sure do know what you're talking about. Why is it when people hear talk of revolution in a first world country, they assume everyone would be out for themselves and rape, murder, etc would be the countries pasttime? Why can't people just riot specificly at the things that anger them, IE the government? [QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;36501016]I'm sure the desperate civilians emerging from the aftermath will have the level-headed rationality and sanity to vote for the best kind of leaders imaginable. [/QUOTE] We have a democracy already in the US and our choices are a kinda black guy who hasn't kept a single promise, or a morman republican who wants to bring us back to more of what Bush gave us. Now it sounds like you're describing America now instead of something after a civil war or etc. [QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;36501016]Completely impossible they'd go for the extremist nuts with the big promises or whoever shouts the loudest and can silence their opponents best.[/QUOTE] Wait now this sounds exactly like America now. So what would be the difference if there was a revolution sir?

The EU as a whole is still a favourable institution when looking at the Europe of the early 20th Century or 19th Century. It would be far easier and indeed produce a better result to reform the parts of it which are not democratic, while increasing integration. [editline]26th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=purvisdavid1;36502126]We have a democracy already in the US and our choices are a kinda black guy who hasn't kept a single promise, or a morman republican who wants to bring us back to more of what Bush gave us. Now it sounds like you're describing America now instead of something after a civil war or etc.[/QUOTE] Obama's a pretty bad candidate for a Progressive to choose, but saying he has fulfilled a single promise is blatantly false. DADT repeal, for example, is one. If there were a Progressive or Socialist or even just an overall decent candidate to vote for instead of Obama then I certainly would, but they probably won't win. So I'll just vote Green instead.

Yeah, let's ignore democracy in Europe, because the last time that happened (in Germany), good stuff happened that brought joy to many people! [editline]26th June 2012[/editline] Seriously, FUCK politicians and all people related.

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;36502293]Yeah, let's ignore democracy in Europe, because the last time that happened (in Germany), good stuff happened that brought joy to many people![/QUOTE] Could it not be that this particular EU commissioner is shit, rather than the idea that the entirety of Europe is ignoring democracy?

[QUOTE=Megafan;36502325]Could it not be that this particular EU commissioner is shit, rather than the idea that the entirety of Europe is ignoring democracy?[/QUOTE] I was exaggerating obviously but it's still outrageous that politicians in representative democracy don't do their jobs properly. [I]Especially[/I] when it involves decisions that affect daily lives of MILLIONS of people.

[QUOTE=Megafan;36502166]Obama's a pretty bad candidate for a Progressive to choose, but saying he has fulfilled a single promise is blatantly false. DADT repeal, for example, is one. If there were a Progressive or Socialist or even just an overall decent candidate to vote for instead of Obama then I certainly would, but they probably won't win. So I'll just vote Green instead.[/QUOTE] Wow gays can serve but America still has problems. There is more he could be doing, but admittingly this is also the fault of house and senate republican's who see anything with Obama's name on it and give it a nay vote. The whole power structure is failing. We put too much support into two parties, now they only care about dominance in government instead of actually doing their jobs.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;36501842]If it's satire to point out a blatent fact about pieces of legislation written 200 years ago that still have importance today with so much government incompetency then I guess this is satire. [/QUOTE] A lot of the American government system is horribly inflexible and/or outdated.

Time for more cryptoanarchy

[QUOTE=The fox;36497519]Hardly surprising. I wonder how long it'll take before the mass hordes of FP people coming in and claiming this is something completely different from whats being said and then blindly defending the EU once more. Why don't you three who rated me dumb, actually post something in the thread? Or can't you, because you know I am right?[/QUOTE] People rate you dumb because anything the EU does that is positive, you downplay enormously, while anything bad it does you go "SEE I TOLD YOU". That and the last sentence probably net you a few dumbs alone.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36502681]A lot of the American government system is horribly inflexible and/or outdated.[/QUOTE] True, but even outdated or inflexible legislation can be amended.

So the UK might be lucky enough to get both the domestic Snooping Bill and the international ACTA bill? Good luck, I'm behind 7 proxies!!

[QUOTE=Crimor;36499318]Because it sure as hell isn't a democracy anymore.[/QUOTE] Communism isn't the opposite of democracy. Communism is the opposite of capitalism. Ironically, capitalism is the major driving force behind all these ACTA schemes and whatnot. Corporations lobbying for more control over and less freedom for the consumer. I'm a bit of a socialist, and one of my major pet peeves is when Americans refer to communism/communists as some kind of shady force of evil waiting to take over the world. It's got it's cons for sure, but it also has merits. The world would be a much better place if people stopped seeing it as black and white. Or red and blue, rather.

you know i think i'm gonna start believing all those conspiracy theorists preaching about the NWO and shit

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;36502492]Wow gays can serve but America still has problems. There is more he could be doing, but admittingly this is also the fault of house and senate republican's who see anything with Obama's name on it and give it a nay vote. The whole power structure is failing. We put too much support into two parties, now they only care about dominance in government instead of actually doing their jobs.[/QUOTE] That's true, but I was addressing the claim that he "hasn't fulfilled any promises", not a claim of "America has no problems".

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;36502980]Time for more cryptoanarchy[/QUOTE] Some actual anarchy wouldn't hurt either :P

[QUOTE=zakedodead;36501196][IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AJKkY8Lji4k/Tak9VmB6UMI/AAAAAAAAAyc/SiZ5e0iW5gA/s1600/EU_swastika.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Much more accurate as ACTA is corporatist legislation.

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;36505004]Some actual anarchy wouldn't hurt either :P[/QUOTE] [I]i am an antichrist...[/I]