Video shows what appear to be U.S. Marines urinating on bodies
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Implying the American military isn't primarely full of idiots...
Soldiers will be soldiers... People tend to forget one thing... Even though stuff like this isn't very nice... People make today's soldiers, especially the american ones to be so bad, but I would bet my ass that they ain't worse than any other soldiers in any period of time, in fact I'd bet that they were even worse during WWII. Difference is technology. Not many cameras to videya tape all these episodes. I bet stuff like this happens everyday. We only hear about a tiny fraction.
I'm not defending the actions of these soldiers, because frankly, i find it very distasteful. But people forget the big picture and all other factors.
also, Rest In Piss.
I don't think you guys understand what it's like to be in a war. I'm not condoning their actions, I just don't think anyone here but a handfull of others really understands what it's like.
It has to be frustrating to be a normal soldier hearing all of these stories and knowing your reputation is being tarnished as a result.
When you gotta go, you gotta go.
[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;34175257]It has to be frustrating to be a normal soldier hearing all of these stories and knowing your reputation is being tarnished as a result.[/QUOTE]
You have no idea. It's the same thing with police videos featuring brutality, abuse of power etc. The 10 percent of bad cops get all the recognition while the remaining 90 percent that do their jobs remain in the shadows.
"Bad news is good news"
[QUOTE=Nick Lomax;34175040]Soldiers will be soldiers... People tend to forget one thing... Even though stuff like this isn't very nice... People make today's soldiers, especially the american ones to be so bad, but I would bet my ass that they ain't worse than any other soldiers in any period of time, in fact I'd bet that they were even worse during WWII. Difference is technology. Not many cameras to videya tape all these episodes. I bet stuff like this happens everyday. We only hear about a tiny fraction. [/QUOTE]
My grandpa told me a story about how he went to Germany pretty much when the war was over.
He was on this truck with all these guys who were so damned eager to shoot stuff. They were pretty much shooting everything that wasn't American and moved. Paper and junk in the wind, a bunny, even a couple people. Luckily they never actually hit the people or the bunny, but they tried to. The whole trip he was horrified that they'd shoot him eventually.
Aw man, my automerge.
"They are terrorist, the deserve being killed and pissed to death!"
>:(
[QUOTE=GunFox;34172251]They aren't dead, they just encountered the rare desert jellyfish. A terrifying beast that hides just beneath the dunes. :P[/QUOTE]
Comic book, dibs
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[QUOTE=Benjimon007;34174950]Implying the American military isn't primarely full of idiots...[/QUOTE]
Said the Belgian, who's arms manufacturers arm hundreds of Terrorists and Drug Cartels around the world.
[QUOTE=JLea;34173766]That doesn't excuse pissing on someone... they're supposed to be trained professionals who represent their fighting force, there's literally no reason to piss on a corpse. And just because something happened in WW2, doesn't mean "Oh see it's ok, we have it so much better now. Suck it up baby's". The troops in WW2 both did fucked up things which shouldn't set the standard for soldier behaviour.[/QUOTE]
That wasn't justification. Merely a statement that it's just the tip of the iceberg.
[QUOTE=MR-X;34172113]Well, it is terrible to see that because you would want to think the marine core values thought them better. But at the same time I'm not really upset because it just a few idiots and i know not all of them are like that. But what they did is really no different then what the insurgents/Taliban do to people.
I don't see how you cannot understand this. It is pretty disrespectful to do that to a body, any body. That would be like someone coming and pissing on one of your family members graves. It is just wrong and sickening.[/QUOTE]
you missed his point.
If that person urinated on his family member grave, is also the same person who killed said family member, the fact he killed them is a bigger issue.
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[QUOTE=OvB;34172228]Pissing on bodies is not in their job description. Killing them is. They should do their job with a sense of professionalism.[/QUOTE]
Are you actually serious?
Where do you get this ass-backwards flat out stupid idea that somehow urinating on people is worse than killing them?
"they should kill people, respectively!"
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[QUOTE=Reserved Parkin;34173333]Amen, humans can be fucked up violent little creatures sometimes. This shit is still wrong, as mentioned by the past 50 posts.[/QUOTE]
You know you're one of those "fucked up violent little creatures" right?
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[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;34175496]
Said the Belgian, who's arms manufacturers arm hundreds of Terrorists and Drug Cartels around the world.[/QUOTE]
Said the America, who's government arms and puts genocidal dictators into power.
[QUOTE=Motherfuckers;34172231]Killing people, Totally kewl
Urinating on corpses, omg disrespectful[/QUOTE]
I doubt these were civilians they killed.
Killing them was probably necessary. Urinating on them is not
I don't want to stir anything up, but Though this is wrong, I don't see why the news is having such a shit fit about this, when a car bomb goes off and 20 Iraq civilians are killed, its not even mentioned on the news, well that's America for you.
I'm not really surprised, it's war get over it. It's brutal, I bet it's a lot more common that what we hear from the media.
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[QUOTE=Deac;34172134]They showed the video on my local news with the entire screen blurred.[/QUOTE]
Don't worry, I'm sure you can use your imaaaaginaaation.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34175552]you missed his point.
If that person urinated on his family member grave, is also the same person who killed said family member, the fact he killed them is a bigger issue.
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Uh, it's war you know ? people are supposed to kill eachother, so they might as well do it respectfully and not rape anyone or shit on corpses.
[QUOTE=farmatyr;34175952]I'm not really surprised, it's war get over it. It's brutal, I bet it's a lot more common that what we hear from the media.[/QUOTE]
No, I'm not going to fucking "get over it". it's immoral, bullshit and unnecessary. Just being a passive aggressive child isn't going to solve issues.
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[QUOTE=FuzzyPoop;34176160]Uh, it's war you know ? people are supposed to kill eachother, so they might as well do it respectfully and not rape anyone or shit on corpses.[/QUOTE]
Where did this ridiculously retarded logic come from? "Oh, we call it war, therefore killing is entirely justified, no matter HOW stupid the concept of the war is!"
[QUOTE=FuzzyPoop;34176160]Uh, it's war you know ? people are supposed to kill eachother, so they might as well do it respectfully and not rape anyone or shit on corpses.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand what you mean by killing someone respectfully. Seems like quite the oxymoron really...
[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;34176212]I don't understand what you mean by killing someone respectfully. Seems like quite the oxymoron really...[/QUOTE]
You can start by not pissing on dead enemy combatants and uploading it to youtube.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34176171]Where did this ridiculously retarded logic come from? "Oh, we call it war, therefore killing is entirely justified, no matter HOW stupid the concept of the war is!"[/QUOTE]
It [i]is[/i] a war. Your opinion on it means very little in the reality of things so just because you think the concept for it is "stupid", doesn't make soldiers murders. The bodies aren't just villagers that were indiscriminately slaughtered, they were enemy combatants. Therefore they were killed. The enemy would be trying to kill you in equal, if not more so, measure. Thus people [b]die[/b] in conflict and in war.
Learn to deal with it because the war is not ending any time soon and you've missed that war protest by about 6 or so years.
With regards to the OP, I'm sure they'll be dealt with accordingly because the Marine Corps seems to take image pretty seriously. Don't really understand why they bothered to put it up on YouTube though...it's like they wanted to have their superiors breathing down their neck.
[QUOTE=Nick Lomax;34175040]Soldiers will be soldiers... People tend to forget one thing... Even though stuff like this isn't very nice... People make today's soldiers, especially the american ones to be so bad, but I would bet my ass that they ain't worse than any other soldiers in any period of time, in fact I'd bet that they were even worse during WWII. Difference is technology. Not many cameras to videya tape all these episodes. I bet stuff like this happens everyday. We only hear about a tiny fraction.
I'm not defending the actions of these soldiers, because frankly, i find it very distasteful. But people forget the big picture and all other factors.
also, Rest In Piss.[/QUOTE]
:eng101: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_mutilation_of_Japanese_war_dead[/url]
At my primary school there was a substitute teacher that was infamous for telling long rambling anecdotes [I][sup][sub]nb: oh god just like this one[/sup][/sub][/I] (I loved his "teaching" though- it sure beat actually doing work), often about when he served in New Guinea. I recall one of these being that at one stage, there was a bounty offered for Japanese ears. There was collecting and competing among soldiers, and as money was on offer local tribesmen joined in too. One industrious group apparently offered free dinner and a bed for Japanese soldiers, poisoned them and took all their ears. They turned up with a whole sack of them, asking for their payment.
He was a strange old guy and his casualness with such morbidity does give an idea how unimaginable war conditions must be for everyone else. [SUP][I][SUB]Either that or he was full of shit, although the ear bounty did exist.[/SUB][/I][/SUP] I say give those marines a break. They may not be in terrible jungle warfare, but IEDs, suicide bombings and all the rest of the horrors would mount up to be something reasonably comparable. Their punishment should be forced counselling.
This "teacher" also said that the Sten recoiled sidewards a fair bit so it was good for sweeping fire. Why he thought these anecdotes were suitable for 11/12yr olds I don't know.
Great job, this is why the world hates us...
Marines, soldiers and other fighting men and women are conditioned to think of the enemy as less than human - how else would people who aren't psychopaths be able to kill other people? Naturally they have nothing but contempt for their defeated enemies as shown historically with rape, pillage, killing of children, burning of homes and so on.
Not saying what these men did was ok - it wasn't. But it [B]is[/B] understandable. And as other people have said earlier in the thread, the main difference is that with modern communications we get to know about it - whereas in the past we would probably never have heard of the incident.
[QUOTE=Hiurst;34171940]This is absolutely barbaric and I hope they are punished[/QUOTE]
I like the subtle irony in that it is considered more barbaric that they are peeing on the corpses of their dead enemies, rather than the fact that they just shot and killed three men.
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And I'm apparently not the first one to think so
If I were there, I'd probably be pissed off at the guys shooting at me too.
Also, the video [B]HASN'T BEEN CONFIRMED REAL YET.[/B]
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34175552]y
Are you actually serious?
Where do you get this ass-backwards flat out stupid idea that somehow urinating on people is worse than killing them?
"they should kill people, respectively!"[/QUOTE]
When they're trying to kill you, killing them isn't a problem. If these were innocent people then both acts would be deplorable but these guys -as far as we know- are enemy combatants. So yes, they should be killed respectively, that's how war works.
Giving the enemy golden properganda like this by filming it is a stupid thing to do.
[QUOTE=Cuon Alpinus;34179272]If I were there, I'd probably be pissed off at the guys shooting at me too.
Also, the video [B]HASN'T BEEN CONFIRMED REAL YET.[/B][/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-16538159[/url]
Looks like its real..
Bet the Taliban gained some new members now.
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