Video shows what appear to be U.S. Marines urinating on bodies
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[QUOTE=barttool;34172051]I know, I posted that out of anger. These three fuckers do not represent the american military, I know that for sure. But I'm tired of hearing these type of stories of american soldiers abusing of (perhaps) innocent people in Irak and afganistan. I do apologize if I offended you, but you gotta admit there are tons of cases like this in irak happening everyday, just check the leaked cables of irak and afganisthan, there's even a section dedicated to this type of abuse and violations of human rights and war treaties.[/QUOTE]
Because the media only focuses on the bad things. No one cares if a US marine grabs a child and drags it out of a bullet storm or if they take a town. They only care if they act like dicks.
[editline]12th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34176171]Where did this ridiculously retarded logic come from? "Oh, we call it war, therefore killing is entirely justified, no matter HOW stupid the concept of the war is!"[/QUOTE]
Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for them, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That their death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And the soldiers existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want them on that wall, you need then on that wall. They use words like honor, code, loyalty. They use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that they provide, and then questions the manner in which they provide it. They would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
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[QUOTE=Shiftyze;34172118]Doesn't surprise me. I don't think they get enough brutal training for respect and politeness.[/QUOTE]
Military training does not make you a monster, I have met many well mannered soldiers. Hell, that is one of the things the military is about. You are trained to kill, not to be a dick.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34180276]
Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
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Waaait, not sure if serious...
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;34172395]>Implying that there aren't hundreds of videos on youtube or news articles describing marines doing similar things[/QUOTE]
>Implying that there aren't hundreds of videos on youtube or news articles describing marines helping people.
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[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;34180383]Waaait, not sure if serious...[/QUOTE]
Fits in context.
[editline]12th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=archangel125;34173280]What's funny is that, while horrible, this is nothing, guys. In World War II, much, much worse shit than this happened and went unreported. Ditto with the Korean War and the Vietnam War. Actually, in Vietnam, embedded war journalists were just starting to become commonplace, but there was a crapton of stuff that they didn't see, or didn't report. Today, with the internet and concealable cameras, soldiers really, really have to behave. War is bad. People die. People do horrible shit. This is just a relatively tame example of the darker side of humanity.[/QUOTE]
Not saying bad shit did not happen, but a lot of stuff reported never even happened or was overblown.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/QwZoF.jpg[/img]
Dienna brings up a good point.
[QUOTE=BradB;34177473]:eng101: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_mutilation_of_Japanese_war_dead[/url]
At my primary school there was a substitute teacher that was infamous for telling long rambling anecdotes [I][sup][sub]nb: oh god just like this one[/sup][/sub][/I] (I loved his "teaching" though- it sure beat actually doing work), often about when he served in New Guinea. I recall one of these being that at one stage, there was a bounty offered for Japanese ears. There was collecting and competing among soldiers, and as money was on offer local tribesmen joined in too. One industrious group apparently offered free dinner and a bed for Japanese soldiers, poisoned them and took all their ears. They turned up with a whole sack of them, asking for their payment.
He was a strange old guy and his casualness with such morbidity does give an idea how unimaginable war conditions must be for everyone else. [SUP][I][SUB]Either that or he was full of shit, although the ear bounty did exist.[/SUB][/I][/SUP] I say give those marines a break. They may not be in terrible jungle warfare, but IEDs, suicide bombings and all the rest of the horrors would mount up to be something reasonably comparable. Their punishment should be forced counselling.
This "teacher" also said that the Sten recoiled sidewards a fair bit so it was good for sweeping fire. Why he thought these anecdotes were suitable for 11/12yr olds I don't know.[/QUOTE]
Given what I read of the pacific war... I believe every single word of this.
[QUOTE=OvB;34171773]Who the fuck thought that would be a good idea?[/QUOTE]
Teenagers who joined the marines right after high school.
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;34177002]It [i]is[/i] a war. Your opinion on it means very little in the reality of things so just because you think the concept for it is "stupid", doesn't make soldiers murders.[/quote]
Being in a useless war, killing people, is a pretty stupid idea all around. It IS murder. My opinion is to stop this fucking war that has NO end in sight and NO foreseeable goal, or even conclusion. THAT is my opinion.
[quote]The bodies aren't just villagers that were indiscriminately slaughtered, they were enemy combatants.[/quote]
YOU have no fucking idea about that. For all you know, they could have been a victim of a war crime, and you wouldn't even know.
[quote]Therefore they were killed. The enemy would be trying to kill you in equal, if not more so, measure. Thus people [b]die[/b] in conflict and in war.[/quote]
I have a fucking CRAZY idea, now bare with me here
okay you following?
how about, you still following?
How about, you, the US, stops PUTTING people into the position to shoot at eachother? Oh no, that's impossible,
[quote]Learn to deal with it because the war is not ending any time soon and you've missed that war protest by about 6 or so years.[/quote]
You would have been a fucking blast during the Vietnam war, that's when the REAL hardcore warmongering apologists were out.
[quote]With regards to the OP, I'm sure they'll be dealt with accordingly because the Marine Corps seems to take image pretty seriously. Don't really understand why they bothered to put it up on YouTube though...it's like they wanted to have their superiors breathing down their neck.[/QUOTE]
Yeah okay, please excuse me if I doubt that. The marines are incompetent, they're too busy making gaudy commercials about how the military makes you into fucking superman.
[QUOTE=Olas;34180493][img]http://i.imgur.com/QwZoF.jpg[/img]
Dienna brings up a good point.[/QUOTE]
No she doesn't. People who join the marines are almost always super-macho bullies. They have no other marketable skills. They had no "humanity" to begin with.
[QUOTE=OvB;34179481]When they're trying to kill you, killing them isn't a problem. If these were innocent people then both acts would be deplorable but these guys -as far as we know- are enemy combatants. So yes, they should be killed respectively, that's how war works.[/QUOTE]
If some guy took a knife and ran into a fucking hornets nest of gang activity, and was shot, it would be very difficult to think of this guy as a hero, more of an idiot. So stop with this armchair commando "THEY NEED TO KILL TO NOT DIE AMERICA! HOORAH" bullshit.
If they're shit enough to piss on people they've killed, laugh about it, and put it on fucking youtube, I'm not in anyway coloured surprised if they're shit enough to kill a bunch of innocent people.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34180276]Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom.[/QUOTE]
the war against terror has done nothing to protect american citizens. it's done a lot to actively hurt innocent civilians outside of the US though! don't address people as son, you aren't hard or honorable for being stupid enough to sign your life away to the military, so stop acting so high and mighty about the fact that you're a hired international murderer.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34180276]You weep for them, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That their death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And the soldiers existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.[/quote]
the only lives being saved by killing enemy combatants in the middle east are the lives of american soldiers that enlisted to go over there and kill people. you chose to put yourself in an organization that would likely send you into a combat situation, there is nobody being saved by this killing, you're just fueling the guerrilla warfare and saving your own lives in combat. and stop pretending you know something, like you're some battle hardened god of war that knows a deep dark truth about the war on terror that nobody else knows about. you know that if they didn't shoot those guys, they would have shot them, and that's what we know as well, so there's no need to pretend you're holding in a dire secret that somehow justifies what is happening in the war.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34180276]You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want them on that wall, you need then on that wall. They use words like honor, code, loyalty. They use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline.[/quote]
what a beautiful failed attempt at poetry by pinkpanzer. after reading this passage i now understand why we're killing brown people in the middle east, because of honor, code, and loyalty!
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34180276]I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that they provide, and then questions the manner in which they provide it. They would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to[/quote]
so why are you writing this long, drawn out, and incredibly stupid and self righteous post in the first place? finish with a bang, pretending you're defending someone's freedoms. tell me, what would happen if you weren't over there destroying villages, indiscriminately drone striking anyone unlucky enough to walk down the wrong dirt road, and killing enemy combatants that exist solely to push you out of their country? would all of our freedoms evaporate? because so far the score is 3000~ to 1,000,000~, so i think the whole 9/11 thing (which took none of our freedoms, although it did give the government an excuse to do the terrorists job for them and strip away plenty of our rights) has been made up for considering the utter devastation we've managed to unleash on whichever country we felt was a threat
seriously, piss off with your self righteous attitude, feeling like you're the shining american hero that defends everyone's rights. you're a hired gun killing people because our government is too weak to accept defeat and admit mistakes, nothing more.
[QUOTE=Sanius;34180727]No she doesn't. People who join the marines are almost always super-macho bullies. They have no other marketable skills. They had no "humanity" to begin with.[/QUOTE]
Please tell me you are kidding.
[editline]12th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34180735]seriously, piss off with your self righteous attitude, feeling like you're the shining american hero that defends everyone's rights. you're a hired gun killing people because our government is too weak to accept defeat and admit mistakes, nothing more.[/QUOTE]
Nice insults, now google that and realize I was quoting a movie. Idiot.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34180786]Please tell me you are kidding.
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People who willingly sign up to go overseas and kill people have no conscience. Stop defending them as if they're some kind of tortured souls.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34180276]Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for them, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That their death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And the soldiers existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want them on that wall, you need then on that wall. They use words like honor, code, loyalty. They use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that they provide, and then questions the manner in which they provide it. They would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.[/QUOTE]
Save the fucking metaphorical speech on how they're doing ME a favour. Go apply for a job for a Marines commercial voice over, don't tell me Taliban insurgents are lurking around every fucking corner.
[editline]12th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34180786]
Nice insults, now google that and realize I was quoting a movie. Idiot.[/QUOTE]
You know what a quote is? Typically it's something that looks like a quote, not a believable 'AMURICA SAVES THE DAY' dramatised post. I've seen plenty of those.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34180786]Please tell me you are kidding.
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Nice insults, now google that and realize I was quoting a movie. Idiot.[/QUOTE]
why the fuck did you post a quote from a movie if it doesn't represent your views and your opinions?
and do you really expect me to google each of your posts to see if you're quoting some shitty war movie?
[QUOTE=Sanius;34180834]People who willingly sign up to go overseas and kill people have no conscience. Stop defending them as if they're some kind of tortured souls.[/QUOTE]
I am going into the marines, I do not have a soul that feels hate for everyone and everything alive, I have manners and I have a soul, I cry during PETA commercials, I am there when a friend is in an accident or gets sick, I love my country and I love it's people, I do not agree with my government, I was raised by heavily religious parents and have been told since I was young that killing is wrong.
I want to go into the military to help people like many of my friends do, do not bullshit me and say everyone in the military has no conscience. Actually meet a service member first.
[editline]12th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34180897]why the fuck did you post a quote from a movie if it doesn't represent your views and your opinions?
and do you really expect me to google each of your posts to see if you're quoting some shitty war movie?[/QUOTE]
It is aligned with my views.
It is obvious I did not make that myself, I do not make giant paragraphs of well done speeches. Also, shitty? It is four stars out of five.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34180919]I am going into the marines, I do not have a soul that feels hate for everyone and everything alive, I have manners and I have a soul, I cry during PETA commercials, I am there when a friend is in an accident or gets sick, I love my country and I love it's people, I do not agree with my government, I was raised by heavily religious parents and have been told since I was young that killing is wrong.
I want to go into the military to help people like many of my friends do, do not bullshit me and say everyone in the military has no conscience. Actually meet a service member first.
[editline]12th January 2012[/editline]
It is aligned with my views.
It is obvious I did not make that myself, I do not make giant paragraphs of well done speeches. Also, shitty? It is four stars out of five.[/QUOTE]
if it aligns with your views then why are you attempting to use "its a quote!!" as an excuse for how inexorably stupid it was? at least be consistent with your backpedaling
also what is wrong with you, you were raised religiously and you think killing is wrong, and you disagree with your government, yet you're still enlisting in the marines? is there any inkling of thought or logic that could explain to you how contradictory and stupid this all is?
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34180665]Yeah okay, please excuse me if I doubt that. The marines are incompetent, they're too busy making gaudy commercials about how the military makes you into fucking superman.[/QUOTE]
You do realize you need to have a certain IQ to get into the marine corps. It is not like they let everyone in. Also, how are they incompetent? They do their job damn well.
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[QUOTE=Kopimi;34181000]if it aligns with your views then why are you attempting to use "its a quote!!" as an excuse for how inexorably stupid it was? at least be consistent with your backpedaling
also what is wrong with you, you were raised religiously and you think killing is wrong, and you disagree with your government, yet you're still enlisting in the marines? is there any inkling of thought or logic that could explain to you how contradictory and stupid this all is?[/QUOTE]
You scream at me over how I am spewing patriotic propaganda when those were not my words, just ones I agree with.
I said, I want to help people. The US military is the biggest supplier of humanitarian aid in the world, not to mention the pay is good and ensures I am good for a future family once I get out.
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[QUOTE=Kopimi;34181000]if it aligns with your views then why are you attempting to use "its a quote!!" as an excuse for how inexorably stupid it was? at least be consistent with your backpedaling
also what is wrong with you, you were raised religiously and you think killing is wrong, and you disagree with your government, yet you're still enlisting in the marines? is there any inkling of thought or logic that could explain to you how contradictory and stupid this all is?[/QUOTE]
You scream at me over how I am spewing patriotic propaganda when those were not my words, just ones I agree with.
I said, I want to help people. The US military is the biggest supplier of humanitarian aid in the world, not to mention the pay is good and ensures I am good for a future family once I get out.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34181031]You do realize you need to have a certain IQ to get into the marine corps. It is not like they let everyone in. Also, how are they incompetent? They do their job damn well.[/QUOTE]
yes they're excellent at killing people and racking up combo points with all their collateral damage
the most competent army in the world, what with their 10 year chase for a cave dwelling man and his dialysis machine
[QUOTE=Sanius;34180834]People who willingly sign up to go overseas and kill people have no conscience. Stop defending them as if they're some kind of tortured souls.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure a lot of people who join the Marines don't join with the intention of killing people. A lot join because of things like wanting to serve their country, or because they want the bonuses that comes with being a member of the armed forces.
Not that everybody who joins is completely sane. I'm just saying, you don't have to want to kill people to want to join; I'm sure there's a fair few Facepunch members who can attest to that.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34181055]yes they're excellent at killing people and racking up combo points with all their collateral damage
the most competent army in the world, what with their 10 year chase for a cave dwelling man and his dialysis machine[/QUOTE]
And providing humanitarian aid, and developing technology, to name some.
A man hiding in an allied country.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34180919]
It is aligned with my views.
It is obvious I did not make that myself, I do not make giant paragraphs of well done speeches. Also, shitty? It is four stars out of five.[/QUOTE]
In full fucking fairness, it's REALLY difficult to determine that was a speech from a film.
[QUOTE=Cone;34181078]I'm sure a lot of people who join the Marines don't join with the intention of killing people. A lot join because of things like wanting to serve their country, or because they want the bonuses that comes with being a member of the armed forces.
Not that everybody who joins is completely sane. I'm just saying, you don't have to want to kill people to want to join; I'm sure there's a fair few Facepunch members who can attest to that.[/QUOTE]
neither of these are valid excuses
a. you aren't defending your country, and even if you think you are, you must still be aware that you're facing the possibility of combat
b. if you join just for benefits you're even worse, because you're saying that human life is worth less than whatever dwindling benefits you get for enlisting and serving
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34181125]neither of these are valid excuses
a. you aren't defending your country, and even if you think you are, you must still be aware that you're facing the possibility of combat
b. if you join just for benefits you're even worse, because you're saying that human life is worth less than whatever dwindling benefits you get for enlisting and serving[/QUOTE]
a. if the military was there, everyone would leave the US alone and no one would decide to attack it of course.
b. a job is a job, and there are plenty of military ones not making you kill.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34181086]And providing humanitarian aid, and developing technology, to name some.
A man hiding in an allied country.[/QUOTE]
developing killing machines and trying to play damage control after all of the innocent deaths we've caused, good on you, USA!
seriously can i just ask why you're joining the marines even though it contradicts your religion and even though you say you disagree with the government?
[editline]12th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34181146]a. if the military was there, everyone would leave the US alone and no one would decide to attack it of course.
b. a job is a job, and there are plenty of military ones not making you kill.[/QUOTE]
a. are you stupid
b. and yet you're still contributing and helping lube the gears of an organization that focuses primarily on annihilating the enemy?
Honestly, I don't have a problem with this as much as I'm just disappointed in those particular people. They've probably lost a friend or two to the Taliban, and they've been trained to kill when they're told without a second thought. The corpses are... well, corpses, it isn't some kind of abuse, it's just disrespectful, in the same way that someone trying to hunt an animal that's been breaking into their house might kick the thing in disgust (vague comparison).
It isnt really cruel, and probably not all that unusual. It's just unprofessional, and trust me when I say they will be punished (my father was in the marines, according to him it's worse than in the movies) :v:
But not for war crimes, or cruelty, just for being unprofessional and letting it get caught on tape.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34181125]a. you aren't defending your country, and even if you think you are, you must still be aware that you're facing the possibility of combat[/QUOTE]
Combat doesn't necessitate killing. 90% of it is suppression to begin with, and if you take a look at the statistics for rounds fired to people killed, it takes quite a few (around the ball-park of a few thousand) bullets to kill a single person. So either only a small amount of people want to kill, or they're sane enough to have their training outweigh their bloodlust.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34181125]b. if you join just for benefits you're even worse, because you're saying that human life is worth less than whatever dwindling benefits you get for enlisting and serving[/QUOTE]
Again, just because you join doesn't mean that you [I]want[/I] to kill, only that you will when it's necessary (and even though I think that it never is necessary, that depends primarily on the situation).
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34181031]You do realize you need to have a certain IQ to get into the marine corps. It is not like they let everyone in. Also, how are they incompetent? They do their job damn well.[/quote]
It's not an IQ test, it's an aptitude test. It shows you can learn.
[quote]You scream at me over how I am spewing patriotic propaganda when those were not my words, just ones I agree with.
I said, I want to help people. The US military is the biggest supplier of humanitarian aid in the world, not to mention the pay is good and ensures I am good for a future family once I get out.[/quote]
Actually no, it's Red Cross and Red Crescent. You know what else provides a good future for your family? Any job with benefits. You don't need to go shoot little brown people to give a good future to your family.
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[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34181086]And providing humanitarian aid, and developing technology, to name some.
A man hiding in an allied country.[/QUOTE]
Believe it or not, there are other groups that develop technology and provide humanitarian aid that invades countries for lies. Shocking, I know.
[QUOTE=Cone;34181230]Combat doesn't necessitate killing. 90% of it is suppression to begin with, and if you take a look at the statistics for rounds fired to people killed, it takes quite a few (around the ball-park of a few thousand) bullets to kill a single person. So either only a small amount of people want to kill, or they're sane enough to have their training outweigh their bloodlust.
Again, just because you join doesn't mean that you [I]want[/I] to kill, only that you will when it's necessary (and even though I think that it never is necessary, that depends primarily on the situation).[/QUOTE]
so you don't want to kill but you're still willing to risk killing people if you're told do?
i don't see how this is any form of a defense
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34181152]developing killing machines and trying to play damage control after all of the innocent deaths we've caused, good on you, USA!
seriously can i just ask why you're joining the marines even though it contradicts your religion and even though you say you disagree with the government?[/quote]
Read above posts, I want to help people and secure a future life with a family.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34181152]
a. are you stupid
b. and yet you're still contributing and helping lube the gears of an organization that focuses primarily on annihilating the enemy?[/QUOTE]
a. Keep throwing insults, it just makes you look like more of a dick (which is hard.)
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34181146]a. if the military was there, everyone would leave the US alone and no one would decide to attack it of course.
b. a job is a job, and there are plenty of military ones not making you kill.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE='[LOA] SonofBrim;34181184']They've probably lost a friend or two to the Taliban, and they've been trained to kill when they're told without a second thought. [/QUOTE]
or maybe they're just assholes.
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