y thank you for that mr astronamer
the world hasn't had that in popular culture for over 70 years :downs:
Who says aliens need water like we do?
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;19841952]I'm hoping we become sex slaves.[/QUOTE]
Who says aliens look anything like us?
[QUOTE=Rubs10;19842095]Who says aliens need water like we do?
Who says aliens look anything like us?[/QUOTE]
Who says that would make us unable to be their sex slaves?
[QUOTE=Rubs10;19842095]
Who says aliens look anything like us?[/QUOTE]
I don't think he cares.
[QUOTE=Hemroid_Man;19841891]Well , I'll go in to severe hiding and wait till all the retarded assholes of this planet ( Criminals , Terrorists , religious people , anything that would cause problems ) which has made it into the hellhole it is today , and go with the aliens to make peace and colonise a new planet as a fresh head-start ( Technology , resources, knowledge , etc) for the New Human Race.[/QUOTE]
If your hinting at destroying/sidelining the weak that's not exactly a good thing to broadcast, things like that never work.
[QUOTE=Viper01;19841738]The biggest problem with finding life is that the more hospitable a planet is, the harder it is to see. These planets have low albedos, which means that they reflect very little light.
As for why this is so, it's because of the atmosphere. Light from the sun passes through and gets absorbed by the ground, then the ground emits it's own radiation but this radiation is blocked by the atmosphere. So basically the thicker the atmosphere the less you see from the outside
There's some plans to build a terrestrial planet finder but it's horribly expensive and not guaranteed to work[/QUOTE]
A species that can develop FTL travel will probably have a scanning/detection system that relies on other details than light.
I read somewhere about an interesting theory as to why we haven't had any contact with any intelligent life. It was something to do with virtual worlds, and how the virtual entertainment invented became so advanced and life like, that life eventually chose to stay in there instead of facing the problems of real life.
Probably bullshit, but interesting nonetheless.
[quote]theory[/quote]
[quote]probably bullshit, but interesting nonetheless[/quote]
Methinks you don't know what a speculative theory is.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;19842469]Methinks you don't know what a speculative theory is.[/QUOTE]
I can say a theory is probably wrong without not knowing the definition of a theory.
"hypothesis: a tentative insight into the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena"
Notice the "if true", you can't criticise me for not thinking it as true.
If they have FTL travel abilities, we're better off than if they're limited to lightspeed, because there's a chance they aren't solely after our resources.
Anyone heard of the concept of a light-speed bubble? The basic idea is that, much like has been demonstrated at various times in history on Earth, expansion into new areas is provoked by population pressures and resources shortages at home. Therefore, a spacefaring race would begin expanding outward from their solar system, in all directions, to alleviate population pressure in their home system. Now, historically, human population growth is about 2% per year, doubling every century. It's exponential. So, as time goes on and population continues doubling every century, the speed at which the front of that colonization wave must move to keep up with population growth keeps accelerating. Eventually, as the population doubles, and doubles, and doubles, that colonization front reaches it's limit: light speed. Once that happens, the population can't be exported to new systems fast enough, and they pack in tighter and tigher, consuming their resources faster and faster. Eventually, though shortage and famine and brutal war over dwindling resources, the bubble collapses and the civilization destroys itself, or suffers so much damage they can't realistically recover.
Theoretically, our galaxy could have dozens of these light-speed bubbles, each a few hundred light-years wide, and we would have no clue as to their existence. One thing is certain, though: if the advancing front of colonization has reached a substantial fraction of light speed, population and resource pressures behind it have reached the point where nothing but utter and complete devistation would await anybody in their path.
Hence, why FTL-equipped aliens have a better chance of simply being explorers, it means they've broken the light-speed bubble and not only explore faster than their colonization bubble moves, but have access to a much wider portion of the galaxy, and therefore resources. They could still be greedy and hostile, but a civilization desperately fleeing the pressures of overpopulation at .95c is almost guaranteed to not give a shit about some puny little pink primates inhabiting a ball of water and oxygen.
Stephen Baxter's book Manifold: Space dives much deeper into this concept, but I've given the basics.
...I wasn't arguing those points. I was simply stating 'I don't think you understand that that theory was the scientific equivalent of "hey, you guys, you know why the aliens haven't spoken up yet? they're too busy playing video-games." and then a bunch of scientists going "well, I suppose we could sort of fall into the same trap if the games were good enough..." and then a lot of shrugging of shoulders and pontification'.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;19842539]...I wasn't arguing those points. I was simply stating 'I don't think you understand that that theory was the scientific equivalent of "hey, you guys, you know why the aliens haven't spoken up yet? they're too busy playing video-games." and then a bunch of scientists going "well, I suppose we could sort of fall into the same trap if the games were good enough..." and then a lot of shrugging of shoulders and pontification'.[/QUOTE]
No... you simply said " Methinks you don't know what a speculative theory is.". To which I was replying, I do and I'm still able to disagree with it.
How do you think all the phillosophers would have got on if everytime they made a theory no one could argue with them about it.
You said 'it's probably bullshit' (read: what prompted my reply). Yes. It is bullshit; an unconfirmable and untestable hypothesis which has no grounds in science whatsoever other than correlative thought relative to our own species' experience (thus, bullshit). And that has nothing to do with whether you agree/disagree with it.
I was raising my theoretical internet eyebrow at your 'probably bullshit' and wondering "exactly what would not be bullshit in that theory"?
But by all means keep your dukes up and rush to conclusions; I enjoy a good rough and tumble now and again.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;19842626]But you said 'it's probably bullshit'. Yes. It is. And that has nothing to do with whether you agree/disagree with it.
I was raising my theoretical internet eyebrow at your 'probably bullshit' and wondering "exactly what would not be bullshit in that theory"?
But by all means keep your dukes up and rush to conclusions; I enjoy a good rough and tumble now and again.[/QUOTE]
How is me calling something bullshit not a disagreement?
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LATE. Stephen Hawking warned us of the exact same thing over twenty years ago.
[QUOTE=Doug52392;19842668]
LATE. Steven Hawking warned us of the exact same thing over twenty years ago.[/QUOTE]
Stephen Hawking is a smart motherfucker.
I did not say it was or wasn't. I simply raised the question 'why would you think it wouldn't be a bullshit theory'?
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;19842685]I did not say it was or wasn't. I simply raised the question 'why would you think it wouldn't be a bullshit theory'?[/QUOTE]
Because as a theory it has to have some basis to it. And it is with this basis I am disagreeing with.
[QUOTE=BrokenSanity;19842421]I read somewhere about an interesting theory as to why we haven't had any contact with any intelligent life. It was something to do with virtual worlds, and how the virtual entertainment invented became so advanced and life like, that life eventually chose to stay in there instead of facing the problems of real life.
Probably bullshit, but interesting nonetheless.[/QUOTE]
That's matrix
[QUOTE=Eleventeen;19839772]We're alone in the universe. There are no aliens. It's stupid that you guys believe in aliens because 'derp we can't be alone' but you don't believe in a god because 'derp, show me proof'[/QUOTE]
There is life in the universe, and I have proof. Namely, our entire planet. It is perfectly logical and possible that there is life somewhere else. It's not like we hold a monopoly on oxygen, nitrogen, and a temperate planet.
In fact, the odds of there NOT being another planet similar to ours with life on it are infinitely small. But of course, we talk in probability. See, the idea of most religions is 100% devotion to a god, so there is no room for possibilities. For you, it's black and white.
Thankfully, not everyone sees everything as black and white anymore, or we'd still be in the dark ages with the rest of you assholes.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19840970]Also, I thought I'd share this: There will not be any middle ground, no "equal technology" standing between two alien species if they meet, the meeting will be equivalent to Gods to savages, the odds of two civilizations (already rare) having developed technology at the same pace and became space faring at the same time is simply too unlikely.[/QUOTE]
Though what you have described is the most likely scenerio, there is always the possibility that two species have taken completely different technological routes. For example: one race might have ship hulls that can repair themselves with nanobots and the other might have advanced shielding, and the materials for both of these might render the other species' weapons useless. That would be interesting to see. But yes, your situation is most likely: one race will stomp the shit out of the other one with little to no effort.
-snip-
Fokking Prawns.
[QUOTE=Rich209;19840194]I read something a while ago that said just because they might be able to fly in space doesn't mean they have super weapons. The aliens could be running around with flint locks if thats all they needed to conquer.[/QUOTE]
I had an idea like that, the aliens have WW2 style weapons (like 1-hit kill 'bolt action' laser rifles) and the humans have moderen projectile weapons (assault rifles that do damage, but don't insta-kill). I think that would be interesting to see.
[QUOTE=LeonS;19839987]I myself hope we get aliens like them in Mass Effect.[/QUOTE]
Alien-human cross breeding :q:
Seriously though, yeah, that'd be great. If our species got to be invited in a galactic council thing that'd be pretty effin' rad.
It would be stupid to assume that life doesn't exist in the Galaxy, much less the Universe.
However, arguments can begin when you are arguing about [I]intelligent[/I] life, and the debate [B]really[/B] steps up when you are arguing about Space-Faring Civilizations.
[QUOTE=Best4bond;19839981]Oh no!
Hopefully they look like this...
[IMG]http://msp116.photobucket.com/albums/o16/moshitlikeitshot/mars_attacks.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
And they're fatal weakness is still good old fashioned country music?
[i]Sign me up.[/i]
[QUOTE=Hoboharry;19841546]Although alien-life forms have been found they are about microscopic.[/QUOTE]
Yeah no they haven't
if they had that would be the biggest news in umm THE HISTORY OF SCIENCE
[QUOTE=KaIibos;19843278]Yeah no they haven't
if they had that would be the biggest news in umm THE HISTORY OF SCIENCE[/QUOTE]
Only a matter of time though, I'm sure we'll find [I]something[/I] in either Europa, Ganymede, or Titan.
[quote]Yes, you have fun with colonizing that deadly ball of not-farmable-at-all desert and deadly gas which is incredibly hot (461.85 °C), whose pressure crushes steel and iron like men's faces in Chun-Li's thighs, and also some times just 'lets off some incredibly hot steam'.[/quote]
You didn't read his post at all did you?
[quote]Recently, scientists have speculated on the existence of microbes in the stable cloud layers [b]50 km above the surface[/b], evidenced by [b]hospitable climates[/b] and chemical disequilibrium.[/quote]
The atmosphere is so dense that you could probably construct floating cities.
[quote]Although alien-life forms have been found they are about microscopic.[/quote]
WRONG.
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