[QUOTE=Zero-Point;46156171]Well there was that time he went around chasing people with whips, but they don't like talking about that.[/QUOTE]
To be fair he was doing it to get moneylenders and merchants out of the temple.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;46156864]While I aint interested in discussing the historicity of Jesus I'll just mention that scholars disagree on the accuracy of Tacitus' Annals.
Some think it was Tacitus talking, others that it was just him relaying what Christians of the time thought.
Plus it's inaccurate, since Pontius was not a Procurator ("during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus")[/QUOTE]
Boy do I have news for you about the accuracy of most of our ancient sources. Despite Tacitus being problematic he is still a source of primary knowledge and shouldn't be discredited because he got the position of someone wrong. Hell, Herodotus believed there was pygmy wizards in Libya yet we still use him as a direct source of information about Xerxes' invasion of Greece. Like it or not the consensus of academics is that there was a historical Jesus, the evidence given by Tacitus and Josephus is too compelling to disregard.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;46159089]To be fair he was doing it to get moneylenders and merchants out of the temple.[/QUOTE]
What's wrong with those? Last I checked merchants and moneylenders are both necessary things to have, and I'd rather they be conveniently and safely located in my city's temple than my city's dark and ominous alleyways.
I bet a lot of those merchants only set up there because the competition did it first and got more revenue. Think about all of the fathers with hungry families that Jesus whipped because of his capitalism phobia.
[QUOTE=Pr0fane;46155362]Haha. Thinking Jesus is real based on a plate made 400 years after his death.
Silly americans
[editline]5th October 2014[/editline]
I agree[/QUOTE]
I'm an athiest and believe SOME one like Jesus was real*
*minus the miracles and basically he was just some guy that was really persuasive and had a huge following
I also find the thing where you thought you were being clever funny because you're not you're just being dumb
please don't quote me ever again.
[QUOTE=RobbL;46156152]what?[/QUOTE]
I believe it's Hebrew for homosexual, or an equivalent to fag.
The title is misleading. I don't think it's the oldest depiction..even in the article it just calls it one of the oldest. Regardless, this is neat!
[QUOTE=EcksDee;46156864]While I aint interested in discussing the historicity of Jesus I'll just mention that scholars disagree on the accuracy of Tacitus' Annals.
Some think it was Tacitus talking, others that it was just him relaying what Christians of the time thought.
Plus it's inaccurate, since Pontius was not a Procurator ("during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus")[/QUOTE]
if you want to take that route, I can guarantee that you will be able to find different groups of scholars that will dispute almost every single piece of ancient literature there is, so using that argument gets you absolutely nowhere
it does not matter if it was lucius dickbuttus who actually wrote what tacitus did and if he said that pontius pilate was a prostitute with a seven foot cock, he mentions jesus and his trial - that's what matters, what reason does he have to lie?
Personally, I find the evidence fairly compelling, and therefore it seems pretty likely to me that the guy actually existed in some form. There's no compelling evidence with regards to his divine powers, though.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46162413]Personally, I find the evidence fairly compelling, and therefore it seems pretty likely to me that the guy actually existed in some form. There's no compelling evidence with regards to his divine powers, though.[/QUOTE]
I agree as well. With the impact he had, chances are he was at the least a philosopher who spread and gave a peaceful message to everyone.
Swinging in on your edgy vine (don't cut yourself) and happily proclaiming that god isn't real is pointless and more than anything adds [I]nothing[/I] the discussion, which peaceful discourse on historical references to the person Jesus does.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;46160910]Boy do I have news for you about the accuracy of most of our ancient sources. Despite Tacitus being problematic he is still a source of primary knowledge and shouldn't be discredited because he got the position of someone wrong. Hell, Herodotus believed there was pygmy wizards in Libya yet we still use him as a direct source of information about Xerxes' invasion of Greece. Like it or not the consensus of academics is that there was a historical Jesus, the evidence given by Tacitus and Josephus is too compelling to disregard.[/QUOTE]
those inconsistencies still make the possibility of at least a partial forgery very real. If the non-christian scholars also think that he was a real person, then they're doing so with other sources that I'm not aware of
[QUOTE=EcksDee;46162957]those inconsistencies still make the possibility of at least a partial forgery very real. If the non-christian scholars also think that he was a real person, then they're doing so with other sources that I'm not aware of[/QUOTE]
if I knew how to do that tin-toil hat emote thing I'd do it now
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;46156140]There's tons of historical accounts that all point to Jesus actually being around during that time. The only thing we're uncertain of is whether or not he did any of the miracles he was claimed to do.[/QUOTE]
Nobody is uncertain of wether the miracles happened.
Only religious people who take it on faith believe it.
If you are actually reasonable, and require more than "Believe me or youll go to a pit of fire" theres no doubt whatsoever.
[editline]6th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;46161216]I'm an athiest and believe SOME one like Jesus was real*
*minus the miracles and basically he was just some guy that was really persuasive and had a huge following
I also find the thing where you thought you were being clever funny because you're not you're just being dumb
please don't quote me ever again.[/QUOTE]
Ha wow it was a joke. You guys take things way too seriously. My apologies then.
And you are right, SOMEone like Jesus was real. In fact there were dozens of guys that were born from a virgin mother, died and got resurrected.
All these people predate Jesus and Christianity:
There is [B]Attis of Phrygia. [/B] He was considered the savior who was slain for the salvation of mankind. His body as bread was eaten by his worshippers. He was both the Divine Son and the Father. On “Black Friday,” he was crucified on a tree, from which his holy blood ran down to redeem the earth. He descended into the underworld. After three days, Attis was resurrected.
[B]There is Zarathustra[/B], also born of a virgun by immaculate conception. He was baptized in a river. In his youth he astounded wise men with his wisdom. He was tempted in the wilderness by the devil. He began his ministry at age 30. Zoroaster baptized with water, fire and “holy wind.” He cast out demons and restored the sight to a blind man. He taught about heaven and hell, and revealed mysteries, including resurrection, judgment, salvation and the apocalypse. He had a sacred cup or grail. He was slain. His religion had a eucharist. He was the “Word made flesh.” Zoroaster’s followers expected a “second coming” in the virgin-born Saoshynt or Savior, who is to come in 2341 AD and begin his ministry at age 30, ushering in a golden age.
[B]There is Dionysus[/B]. Dionysus was born of a virgin on December 25 and, as the Holy Child, was placed in a manger. He was a traveling teacher who performed miracles. He “rode in a triumphal procession on an ass.” He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification. Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25. He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine. He was called “King of Kings” and “God of Gods.” He was considered the “Only Begotten Son,” Savior,” “Redeemer,” “Sin Bearer,” Anointed One,” and the “Alpha and Omega.” He was identified with the Ram or Lamb. His sacrificial title of “Dendrites” or “Young Man of the Tree” intimates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
Wow, I bet all of this sounds REALLY familiar to that one Jesus story. Its almost like Christianity is a combination of all of these. Thats so coincidental.
Wonder why noone worships Attis of Phrygia anymore. He gave his life for all of our salvation too. So unfair.
-snip im being just as much an asshat and adding nothing-
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