"Gravity Does not Exist!" Says scienctist (except not really)
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Reminds me of the time I threw myself at the ground and missed
This man is full of shit, god did this all and we needn't worry.
[QUOTE=DeanWinchester;23342510]I'm pretty sure what the guy is saying is that gravity is not something in itself but a consequence of something else.[/QUOTE]
In a way, thats like saying water is wet, but's a very intriguing point.
I think he is on to something, no sarcasm, I find the explanation of gravity more appealing as a by product of something else, rather than it just happening with masses.
It's pretty damn radical, but it sounds like it'll get somewhere in the future.
It does make sense.
If he works at the Institute for Advanced Study he's at least not just some nutcase.
Hopefully this is one step towards a theory of everything.
Sounds like someone has been smoking weed. I love how scientists pull dark matter out of their black holes to back up their observations. There's always some shit in space that changes our views completely, without changing how it works.
Until we actually get to explore space by more than looking at it from a distance, they can keep it to themselves. Gravity, in name and function, serves us perfectly fine as it's definition matches it's effect. What causes it is nothing more of our buisness than knowing how the universe came to be.
But what scientists know, and what not but they want rationalized is another story.
[quote]So says Erik Verlinde, 48, a respected string theorist and professor of physics at the University of [b]Amsterdam[/b], whose contention that gravity is indeed an illusion has caused a continuing ruckus among physicists, or at least among those who profess to understand it. Reversing the logic of 300 years of science, he argued in a recent paper, titled “On the Origin of Gravity and the Laws of Newton,” that gravity is a consequence of the venerable laws of thermodynamics, which describe the behavior of heat and gases.
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He's probably just high as fuck
[QUOTE=GummyPanties;23350320]Sounds like someone has been smoking weed. I love how scientists pull dark matter out of their black holes to back up their observations. There's always some shit in space that changes our views completely, without changing how it works.
Until we actually get to explore space by more than looking at it from a distance, they can keep it to themselves. Gravity, in name and function, serves us perfectly fine as it's definition matches it's effect. What causes it is nothing more of our buisness than knowing how the universe came to be.
But what scientists know, and what not but they want rationalized is another story.[/QUOTE]
Maybe some people are, unlike you, curious as to how the universe works? Why SHOULDN'T we try to understand how gravity works? Having that kind of backwards thinking is what hinders progress.
People hundreds of years ago would have thought it was pointless to understand how electricity and magnetism worked, but, fortunately those idiots didn't get to decide what everyone did and some smart people figured it out. And guess what? Now our entire fucking civilisation is 100% dependant on that fundamental understanding.
If you actually read the article, he doesn't actually say the effects of gravity don't exist, it's just that it's not caused by what the scientific consensus believes. Pretty far out stuff, he must have been high.
oh wait it's amsterdam
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[QUOTE=GummyPanties;23350320]Sounds like someone has been smoking weed. I love how scientists pull dark matter out of their black holes to back up their observations. There's always some shit in space that changes our views completely, without changing how it works.
Until we actually get to explore space by more than looking at it from a distance, they can keep it to themselves. Gravity, in name and function, serves us perfectly fine as it's definition matches it's effect. What causes it is nothing more of our buisness than knowing how the universe came to be.
But what scientists know, and what not but they want rationalized is another story.[/QUOTE]
dark matter is like a "placeholder" theory until scientists can find out more about the universe. Stop being so cynical, if you don't like the pursuit of knowledge that's fine, just shut up about it.
[QUOTE=GummyPanties;23350320]Sounds like someone has been smoking weed. I love how scientists pull dark matter out of their black holes to back up their observations. There's always some shit in space that changes our views completely, without changing how it works.
Until we actually get to explore space by more than looking at it from a distance, they can keep it to themselves. Gravity, in name and function, serves us perfectly fine as it's definition matches it's effect. What causes it is nothing more of our buisness than knowing how the universe came to be.
But what scientists know, and what not but they want rationalized is another story.[/QUOTE]
carrotcocks like you are why we don't have people on the moon right now
Is he basically saying that Gravity is a ByProduct of our universe gradually changing from an initial Low Entropy state to a much more complex High Entropy state? I thought inflationary cosmology needed both Entropy and Gravity to work independently with the Inflation Field in order to cause and explain the inflationary phase and the increasing expansion we see today?
Gravity does exist and I'm doing anything to prove it!
/someguy
Well he has a point. We don't really understand gravity, we just kind of ignore it and assume it is as simple as it seems, when really there could be a lot more to it. Or he's just baked as fuck :drugnerd:
Interesting proposal.
I hope it's pursued, and not just marked off as another stupid idea.
[QUOTE]He and his brother Herman, a Princeton professor, are celebrated twins known more for [B]their mastery of the mathematics of hard-core string theory[/B] than for [B]philosophic flights.[/B][/QUOTE]
It's the same thing really.
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[QUOTE=GummyPanties;23350320]Sounds like someone has been smoking weed. I love how scientists pull dark matter out of their black holes to back up their observations. There's always some shit in space that changes our views completely, without changing how it works.
Until we actually get to explore space by more than looking at it from a distance, they can keep it to themselves. Gravity, in name and function, serves us perfectly fine as it's definition matches it's effect. What causes it is nothing more of our buisness than knowing how the universe came to be.
But what scientists know, and what not but they want rationalized is another story.[/QUOTE]
People like you make me want to watch humanity die screaming in blood and fire.
And you do know that we can get the exact same data from looking at space as we would from reaching out and touching it, except with the added bonus that we won't die by looking at it and we can get the data faster than going there and coming back and analysing it.
Oh and we have almost proven black holes.
:colbert: go wait in the corner.
the scientist's probably thinking that it made more sense in his head
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[QUOTE=CivilProtection;23350568]dark matter is like a "placeholder" theory until scientists can find out more about the universe.[/QUOTE]
so i suppose the meaning of life is dark matter then
What? no it's just a theory about why distant galaxies bend light more than they should, it's just a phrase used for the matter that we can't see.
I read the title, went ":what:", then read that it was string theory.
[QUOTE=sltungle;23350435]Maybe some people are, unlike you, curious as to how the universe works? Why SHOULDN'T we try to understand how gravity works? Having that kind of backwards thinking is what hinders progress.
People hundreds of years ago would have thought it was pointless to understand how electricity and magnetism worked, but, fortunately those idiots didn't get to decide what everyone did and some smart people figured it out. And guess what? Now our entire fucking civilisation is 100% dependant on that fundamental understanding.[/QUOTE]
I am curious how things work, but the stone in my shoe is the fact we can't leave any rocks unturned. We must tackle as much as we can at the same time. Why not take our time focussing on one thing so we can use something we actually know for a fact to explain something else?
Basically we're researching stuff that's way out of our league, and whatever it is most scientists say, is considered the factual truth. We don't know everything there is to be found on this earth, but we claim to know so much about space.
Also, gravity is already a part of our life as it is. Finding yet another theory on how it may or may not be generated hardly changes what is already there.
[QUOTE=CivilProtection;23350568]dark matter is like a "placeholder" theory until scientists can find out more about the universe. Stop being so cynical, if you don't like the pursuit of knowledge that's fine, just shut up about it.[/QUOTE]
I used the term 'pulling dark matter out of one's black hole' as a figure of speech.
[QUOTE=wonkadonk;23350640]carrotcocks like you are why we don't have people on the moon right now[/QUOTE]
So me and carrotcocks like me are responsible for making it unsafe for astronauts to stay on the moon (and space) for longer than a few days at most? Or are you referring to the unfeasability to transport goods to the moon we need for colonisation with our currently below par propulsion systems?
And what exactly is it that you have contributed to progress our science in a way that is closer to becoming reality?
[QUOTE=GummyPanties;23354425]I am curious how things work, but the stone in my shoe is the fact we can't leave any rocks unturned. We must tackle as much as we can at the same time. Why not take our time focussing on one thing so we can use something we actually know for a fact to explain something else?
Basically we're researching stuff that's way out of our league, and whatever it is most scientists say, is considered the factual truth. We don't know everything there is to be found on this earth, but we claim to know so much about space.
Also, gravity is already a part of our life as it is. Finding yet another theory on how it may or may not be generated hardly changes what is already there.[/QUOTE]
Humans are ambitious. We like to ask big questions well out of our league and attempt to tackle them. Relativity and quantum physics were rather major leaps in our understanding of... well, everything, and yet we developed them in a seemingly unlikely period of time. They led to huge technological booms.
Gravity is a rather MAJOR part of the universe. It would seem logical to attempt to understand it. Hell, what if we discover that we're actually able to CONTROL gravity to an extent by learning the 'truth' about it? Would that not have many, many important applications?
Turning our eye back towards Earth and away from the cosmos would be a mistake (although to have some people focussing on one and some people focussing on the other is good). We need to get away from Earth as soon as possible. Establish a permanent, self-sustaining, off-world presence so that if there's ever some huge cataclysm here we survive. So far, for the most part, science has been the only incentive we've had to actually go out into space. It's good that we're focussing some of our attention out there.
If we fully understand gravity then we will colonise other solar systems and galaxies in a matter of a century.
Guaranteed.
And Gravity is massively important it's one of the 4 fundamental forces of the universe.
[QUOTE=sltungle;23355029]Humans are ambitious. We like to ask big questions well out of our league and attempt to tackle them. Relativity and quantum physics were rather major leaps in our understanding of... well, everything, and yet we developed them in a seemingly unlikely period of time. They led to huge technological booms.
Gravity is a rather MAJOR part of the universe. It would seem logical to attempt to understand it. Hell, what if we discover that we're actually able to CONTROL gravity to an extent by learning the 'truth' about it? Would that not have many, many important applications?
Turning our eye back towards Earth and away from the cosmos would be a mistake (although to have some people focussing on one and some people focussing on the other is good). We need to get away from Earth as soon as possible. Establish a permanent, self-sustaining, off-world presence so that if there's ever some huge cataclysm here we survive. So far, for the most part, science has been the only incentive we've had to actually go out into space. It's good that we're focussing some of our attention out there.[/QUOTE]
I can see where you're coming from, but rationalizing something we don't understand with something else we don't understand will only make us more confused when we find out the truth. I have yet to see a scientist confess something is too big a mystery at the moment, instead they make up a bullshit story about it and people decide to roll with it.
I'd rather have no answer than a incorrect answer. False answers causes us to interfere with things we shouldn't, but because we think we understand it, we can. And that often leads to more problems than leaving it alone.
I just want to get off this planet. Let the scientists do their work and stop bitching about it. :byodood:
[QUOTE=bravehat;23353586]It's the same thing really.[/QUOTE]
String theory, while being entirely theoretical, is a much more convincing theory then many seem to think - its definitely not any kind of [I]pseudo-science[/I] as many would seem to believe.
Its been around a lot longer then people think too. It was originally a by-product of a paper Einstein received on unifying electrodynamics with general relativity (in 5 dimensions). It was reworked in the 70's to include gravity, and then in the 80's, after it successfully predicted super-symmetric particles, there was a massive 'super-string revolution', where most mainstream physicists began to accept string theory.
Its the closest we've come to a theory of Quantum Gravity so far, and I think it will continue to bear fruit. While the strings themselves are not directly observable (hence the obnoxious 'pseudo-science' doubt some people have) there are many other indirect observations we can make and predictions we can verify using the framework of the theory. Indeed this is something which CERN is using right now in its search for the Higgs. I'm still reading a book about it at the moment. Maybe when I've finished it I'll make a big thread justifying it :P
The second I read 'string theory' I knew I wouldn't really understand what he was going on about.
Wait, this guy is attempting to explain gravity through entropy?
Wouldn't gravity be the total reverse? Gravity brings stability to chaotic movement. By saying that it means that everything is the total reverse than how we observe it. Order is chaos and chaos is order :byodood:. Wait, and what happens to light then? Light isn't affected by entropy.
Gravity is already something that eludes us, I mean, there are people saying that it's mediated through both a boson and spacetime curves. How that works completely quizzes me.
[QUOTE=GummyPanties;23355838]I can see where you're coming from, but rationalizing something we don't understand with something else we don't understand will only make us more confused when we find out the truth. I have yet to see a scientist confess something is too big a mystery at the moment, instead they make up a bullshit story about it and people decide to roll with it.
I'd rather have no answer than a incorrect answer. False answers causes us to interfere with things we shouldn't, but because we think we understand it, we can. And that often leads to more problems than leaving it alone.[/QUOTE]
No scientists don't bullshit, they look at evidence and throw out a possible idea, A Hypothesis (very important cause every theory starts of as that)
And you sound like the folk who say "science is going to fast, they are messing with forces they can't comprehend!!" :bahgawd:
And seriously no one runs off of a hypothesis, if they did I'd be trying to smash atoms together in my back garden to create a particle with negative energy to make a warp drive, but I'm not.
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[QUOTE=Big Bang;23357601]Wait, this guy is attempting to explain gravity through entropy?
Wouldn't gravity be the total reverse? Gravity brings stability to chaotic movement. By saying that it means that everything is the total reverse than how we observe it. Order is chaos and chaos is order :byodood:. Wait, and what happens to light then? Light isn't affected by entropy.
Gravity is already something that eludes us, I mean, there are people saying that it's mediated through both a boson and spacetime curves. How that works completely quizzes me.[/QUOTE]
Well we know that force is carried by certain particles and our current theory predicts that the Higgs Boson and particles like it carry the force of gravity.
Which is good because that means we can alter gravity and I could get my ass a warp drive :smugdog:
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