• Malaysian passenger airliner shot down over Ukraine near Russian border
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[QUOTE=Ignhelper;45419480]Suddenly FP is full of armchair generals and Aviation experts.[/QUOTE] Suddenly?
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;45419480]Suddenly FP is full of armchair generals and Aviation experts.[/QUOTE] we're talking to each other through an instantaneous portal to all of humankind's knowledge despite a lot of FP'ers existing hardons for military tech, anybody's an expert given a few facts to bank some research off
Unconfirmed reports are that their were 80 kids on the flight... [I]fuck guys...[/I]
[QUOTE=Ghost656;45419508]The fire started from inside the building, one of the pro-Russian scum was probably that dumb and handled his molotov incorrectly from inside the building. Causing so many people to die.[/QUOTE] Hypocrite.
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;45419253]i blame the people who shot down the plane[/QUOTE] Yes, but Malaysia Airlines could have avoided taking the risk. I blame them for making their planes fly over such a dangerous area knowingly.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45419522]Hypocrite.[/QUOTE] I'm not the one sucking Putler's dick here and blaming innocent victims.
[video=youtube;UjCQ7Byk3x8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjCQ7Byk3x8[/video] [video=youtube;-hbAirCuNnA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hbAirCuNnA[/video] Found passports [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bswx9RJCYAAjSUn.png[/IMG] The BUK used by pro-Russian separatist that shot down the plane. [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsw15KwIUAANdW4.jpg[/IMG] [B]UPDATES:[/B] -23 US citizens on the plane
[QUOTE=Kljunas;45419523]Yes, but Malaysia Airlines could have avoided taking the risk. I blame them for making their planes fly over such a dangerous area knowingly.[/QUOTE] Nobody could've expected SAMs to be deployed against civilian airliners cruising at 10km. It's easy to identify a civil aircraft - this was murder. It isn't their fault.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;45419460]Even if they were little more than anarchist thugs (and they may have been level-headed people who genuinely support Russia for reasons you don't understand), there's no justice in burning 42 people alive. I am pro-Ukrainian in this conflict but there's good and bad people on both sides.[/QUOTE] Unless they're fostering a political position that involves attempting to cause mass unrest and internal instability in a sovereign nation. People tend to react brutally to other people who do this. As for how they died, it doesn't make much difference whether they were burned alive or if they'd been shot or bombed. The fact of the matter is they're dead, and that's how simple it is.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;45419523]Yes, but Malaysia Airlines could have avoided taking the risk. I blame them for making their planes fly over such a dangerous area knowingly.[/QUOTE] for the benefit of the doubt, it was mentioned earlier that the 'no fly' zone extended only a certain area above the ground, which airliners were far above. It's also likely airliners had been flying over there consistently and this was just the day some asshat slipped up on ID'ing targets
[QUOTE=Govna;45419544]Unless they're fostering a political position that involves attempting to cause mass unrest and internal instability in a sovereign nation. People tend to react brutally to other people who do this. As for how they died, it doesn't make much difference whether they were burned or alive or if they'd been shot or bombed. The fact of the matter is they're dead, and that's how simple it is.[/QUOTE] It takes two to tango. Extremists on both sides kicked off and expanded the conflict, otherwise Ukrainian police and military forces would've had it under control.
[QUOTE=Ghost656;45419531]blaming innocent victims.[/QUOTE] You just did.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;45419523]Yes, but Malaysia Airlines could have avoided taking the risk. I blame them for making their planes fly over such a dangerous area knowingly.[/QUOTE] I would have to agree, the NSTB already banned U.S flights from entering that airspace. And when you got planes and aircraft getting shot down daily in that area its generally a bad idea. I think the one thing people are gonna take away from this is not to fly civilian flights over warzones
[QUOTE=Kljunas;45419523]Yes, but Malaysia Airlines could have avoided taking the risk. I blame them for making their planes fly over such a dangerous area knowingly.[/QUOTE] Almost all shootdowns we've seen have been MANPADS. If I'm an airline exec, who I'm sure has employed safety personnel, they go "Little threat" and go on with their day. Something like this happened blindsided everyone. I don't disagree with you though, I think it was silly to continue flights over contested areas.
[QUOTE=cucumber;45419538][video=youtube;UjCQ7Byk3x8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjCQ7Byk3x8[/video] [/QUOTE] This video is suggesting an armed military aircraft shot down the airliner?
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;45419540]Nobody could've expected SAMs to be deployed against civilian airliners cruising at 10km. It's easy to identify a civil aircraft - this was murder. It isn't their fault.[/QUOTE] But this is like if a cruise ship was hijacked off the coast of Somalia, or a bus tour was destroyed while travelling through Iraq. Sure the people who did it are responsible, but if a carnival cruise liner was hijacked by Somalians I guarantee people would be saying "Well what they hell were they doing there?" It's a warzone that for the past several weeks and as recently as yesterday was home to planes being shot down by anti-air. Common sense dictates that you reroute aircraft away from the active warzone.
Shit's gonna hit the fan for Ukraine...
[QUOTE=Kljunas;45419523]Yes, but Malaysia Airlines could have avoided taking the risk. I blame them for making their planes fly over such a dangerous area knowingly.[/QUOTE] It wasn't a dangerous area till very recently (like the last couple of days), all the previous shoot downs were within MANPAD range.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;45419560]But this is like if a cruise ship was hijacked off the coast of Somalia, or a bus tour was destroyed while travelling through Iraq. It's a warzone that for the past several weeks and as recently as yesterday was home to planes being shot down by anti-air. Common sense dictates that you reroute aircraft away from the active warzone.[/QUOTE] No because those are at ground level and can easily be hijacked or destroyed with no special equipment. The plane was 10 KM in the air, only military grade equipment posed a threat. Plus both the regions you mentioned have a history of doing those things, Ukraine has no history of blowing up civilian aircraft.
[QUOTE=Ghost656;45419508]The fire started from inside the building, one of the pro-Russian scum was probably that dumb and handled his molotov incorrectly from inside the building. Causing so many people to die.[/QUOTE] Some people were found hanged, there was also a pregnant women who was strangled by the wire, and another woman found raped. So i really doubt it was an accident molotov, since they don't rape people, as far as i know. And let's stop taling about this already.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45419555]You just did.[/QUOTE] In fact they were not innocent at all and started it from the very beginning. [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27275383[/url] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("derailing thread" - dai))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=seano12;45419558]This video is suggesting an armed military aircraft shot down the airliner?[/QUOTE] Military planes don't show on FR24, they don't carry (or have turned off) ADS-B transceivers.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;45419560]But this is like if a cruise ship was hijacked off the coast of Somalia, or a bus tour was destroyed while travelling through Iraq. Sure the people who did it are responsible, but if a carnival cruise liner was hijacked by Somalians I guarantee people would be saying "Well what they hell were they doing there?" It's a warzone that for the past several weeks and as recently as yesterday was home to planes being shot down by anti-air. Common sense dictates that you reroute aircraft away from the active warzone.[/QUOTE] It's more like if small military cargo vessels were being sunk a few hundred feet from shore, and then one day a cruise ship took an anti-ship missile in the side.
4 of my old classmates were almost on that flight but found a later, cheaper flight that also made a stop in Dubai. Luckiest people I know right now.
[QUOTE=Jsm;45419584]Military planes don't show on FR24, they don't carry (or have turned off) ADS-B transceivers.[/QUOTE] I remember once seeing a military aircraft (transport or air radar) on FR24 flying around on the East Coast U.S.. So what does the yellow aircraft represent?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45419579]No because those are at ground level and can easily be hijacked or destroyed with no special equipment. The plane was 10 KM in the air, only military grade equipment posed a threat.[/QUOTE] Military grade equipment like what the rebels have been taking from Ukraine for months?
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;45419599]4 of my old classmates were almost on that flight but found a later, cheaper flight that also made a stop in Dubai. Luckiest people I know right now.[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;45419553]It takes two to tango. Extremists on both sides kicked off and expanded the conflict, otherwise Ukrainian police and military forces would've had it under control.[/QUOTE] The situation was already extreme. When the police and the fucking military have to get involved, you're well past the point of "extreme". What makes you think it would have ended any better with them intervening?
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;45419605]Military grade equipment like what the rebels have been taking from Ukraine for months?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45419579] Plus both the regions you mentioned have a history of doing those things, Ukraine has no history of blowing up civilian aircraft.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;45419599]4 of my old classmates were almost on that flight but found a later, cheaper flight that also made a stop in Dubai. Luckiest people I know right now.[/QUOTE] Wow. Sounds like a plot for another final destination movie.
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