[QUOTE=Bonde;45421157]Remember that RT is a bit like Fox. They might sprew propaganda, but not necessarily what the president is going to roll with in the end. I know that Fox is quite hostile to Obama, but they are likely still trying to blame Russia.[/QUOTE]
I thought RT was literally state funded, it certainly gets a lot of flak for being a Russian propaganda outlet. Fox is certainly right-wing pro-patriotic trash, but doesn't report to the US government on any level.
I know that RT isn't what Russia will officially will say but it gives an idea of the types of conspiracies that could come out of this.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45421256]I thought RT was literally state funded, it certainly gets a lot of flak for being a Russian propaganda outlet.[/QUOTE]
Yes.
e: My mistake, RT hasn't been confirmed for the blatant falsifications, I was thinking of other Russian news outlets.
Still, generally speaking since Russian media is completely state-controlled none of their news outlets are credible sources.
Um. Translation?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45421256]I thought RT was literally state funded, it certainly gets a lot of flak for being a Russian propaganda outlet. Fox is certainly righ-wing pro-patriotic trash, but doesn't report to the US government on any level.
I know that RT isn't what Russia will officially will say but it gives an idea of the types of conspiracies that could come out of this.[/QUOTE]
That is definitely true, their job is probably to delay and confuse the public until Putin has come up with a plan.
[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;45421284]Um. Translation?[/QUOTE]
it says the plane was being escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets prior to being shot down. seeing as it's some random guy with no sources, it's probably bollocks
and another one
[img]http://s4.pikabu.ru/post_img/2014/07/17/11/1405622960_1816522760.JPG[/img]
Link to dispatcher's twitter. [url]https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489835522849009664[/url]
I'm a bit dubious of that twitter.
Yes, I'm sure Carlos can enlighten us on who caused this!
[QUOTE=Thlis;45421346]I'm a bit dubious of that twitter.[/QUOTE]
he has a plane emoji in his name he must be legit
[QUOTE=Bonde;45421113]If the rebels really shot that plane down, he is going to have a really hard time explaining it. I see him handling it in two ways: 1. Abandoning the rebels completely, knowing they have fucked up beyond salvation, or 2: Coming up with some kind of crazy conspiracy theory that no one outside of Russia will believe.
I think the first answer is the most likely, since he is already having a hard time controlling them, so he will probably decide to let them be put down as fast as possible.[/QUOTE]
They will never definitively find out who did this. It will end up like all the other incidents, with both sides pointing fingers at each other with little evidence of who actually did it.
[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;45421361]Yes, I'm sure Carlos can enlighten us on who caused this![/QUOTE]
Read the rest, guy might be dispatcher who was controlling flight for this damn plane.
[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;45421284]Um. Translation?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Google translate]In radar this all collected, for unbelievers, brought down by kiev, here we know and military air traffic control also[/QUOTE]
Sounds like a Yoda speech, and also a bit sensational in it's worst meaning. Who is this Carlos guy, by the way?
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45421375]Read the rest, guy might be dispatcher who was controlling flight for this damn plane.[/QUOTE]
And I might be Jesus.
Seriously how can you fall for information given to you by "some random guy" when literally nobody official has said anything even remotely like that.
[QUOTE=antianan;45421381]Sounds like a Yoda speech, and also a bit sensational in it's worst meaning. Who is this Carlos guy, by the way?[/QUOTE]
he claims to be an air traffic controller in Kiev, but all he seems to tweet is pro-Russian stuff and RT articles so yeah, make of that what you will
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;45421229]You can see the video of the crashing site [URL="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0e5_1405626203"]here[/URL] (nsfw of course), some of the bodies are recognizable, others are just a pile of burned flesh.[/QUOTE]
Fucking amateurs they are destroying evidence.
Sounds to me like the separatists thought it was a Ukrainian war plane and are now all shitting themselves because they accidentally shot down an airliner.
[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;45421248][url]http://cnnworldlive.cnn.com/Event/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17/mobile&Theme=16921[/url][/QUOTE]
[quote]The plane was shot down -- U.S. view
A radar system saw a surface-to-air missile system turn on and track an aircraft right before MH17 was shot down, a senior US official tells CNN’s Barbara Starr.
A second system saw a heat signature at the time the airliner was hit, the official explained.
That leads the U.S. to conclude the Malaysian airline was shot down.
The U.S. is analyzing the trajectory of the missile to try to learn where the attack came from. The U.S. has not determined who was responsible, the source said.
Other senior US officials tell CNN’s Evan Perez and Elise Labott that the United States so far has “nothing to substantiate” Ukraine’s claims that pro-Russian separatists shot down the plane.[/quote]
Russia will claim the debris + blackbox just like they did with the Polish plane that killed most of the Polish top tier politicians.
Dutch Schiphol press conference was just on, 284 people were on board.
47 unknown 154 Dutch 27 Australians 32 Malaysians 11 Indonesians 6 UK 4 Germans 4 Belgium 3 Philippines 1 Canadian
[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;45421417]Sounds to me like the separatists thought it was a Ukrainian war plane and are now all shitting themselves because they accidentally shot down an airliner.[/QUOTE]
Yep, but I doubt that they will ever admit it.
[QUOTE=IceBlizzard;45421444]Dutch Schiphol press conference was just on, 284 people were on board.
47 unknown 154 Dutch 27 Australians 32 Malaysians 11 Indonesians 6 UK 4 Germans 4 Belgium 3 Philippines 1 Canadian[/QUOTE]
What about the Americans and the French?
[QUOTE=IceBlizzard;45421444]Dutch Schiphol press conference was just on, 284 people were on board.
47 unknown 154 Dutch 27 Australians 32 Malaysians 11 Indonesians 6 UK 4 Germans 4 Belgium 3 Philippines 1 Canadian[/QUOTE]
what about the report of 23 americans though
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45421464]What about the Americans and the French?[/QUOTE]
Same difference.
[QUOTE=IceBlizzard;45421444]Dutch Schiphol press conference was just on, 284 people were on board.
47 unknown 154 Dutch 27 Australians 32 Malaysians 11 Indonesians 6 UK 4 Germans 4 Belgium 3 Philippines 1 Canadian[/QUOTE]
those are quite different numbers. Unless those 'unknown' are the us citizens.
The EU and NATO is going to have a shitfit.
[QUOTE=Clavus;45417899]Oh shit, it left from Amsterdam. Could be quite a few Dutch people on board, especially because it's the summer holidays :([/QUOTE]
I know you absolutely didn't mean this in a mean-spirited way [B]at all[/B] but the nationality is completely irrelevant, 295 people man :(
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