• Malaysian passenger airliner shot down over Ukraine near Russian border
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[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45421464]What about the Americans and the French?[/QUOTE] Thatll be the 47 unknown. They are known, but they have also said they will not identify people before their next of kin are informed. A french reporter is now asking about the french. The official answer is that he doesnt know yet and that they do not wish to disclose info that hasnt been 100% verified. They are crosschecking found passports with lists of passengers. As long as passports or bodies havent been found, the nationality remains unknown.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;45421477]The EU and NATO is going to have a shitfit.[/QUOTE] Or they'll prove how useless they are.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45421464]What about the Americans and the French?[/QUOTE] They still have to verify.
[QUOTE=Killuah;45421437]Russia will claim the debris + blackbox just like they did with the Polish plane that killed most of the Polish top tier politicians.[/QUOTE] I bet we won't. It's a really delicate situation, so since i'm pretty sure it wasn't Russia who took the plane down, it's in our interests to play as open as we can. So i think even if these rebels will send the black box to Moscow, our government will share it with western specialists. As we did with polish plane wreckage, by the way.
Well that video was a dud. [QUOTE=l337k1ll4;45421515]That's probably one of the Ukrainian planes they shot down.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=IceBlizzard;45421513]This video is a few days older[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Roll_Program;45421518]That's not MH17, that was an An-26 from a few days ago.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=laserguided;45421521]That video is of the An-26 they shot down.[/QUOTE] Video removed. Sorry I hadn't seen the videos of other Aircraft shot down before.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;45421477]The EU and NATO is going to have a shitfit.[/QUOTE] if by shitfit you mean saying "oh my god we are super upset" and then not really doing anything until people have moved on yeah, sure
[QUOTE=Thlis;45421508]Ignore the title and view this with skepticism, nothing is confirmed yet. [video=youtube;ZWDGIRqmKsg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWDGIRqmKsg[/video][/QUOTE] This video is a few days older
[QUOTE=Thlis;45421508]Ignore the title and view this with skepticism, nothing is confirmed yet. [video=youtube;ZWDGIRqmKsg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWDGIRqmKsg[/video][/QUOTE] That's probably one of the Ukrainian planes they shot down.
[QUOTE=Thlis;45421508]Ignore the title and view this with skepticism, nothing is confirmed yet. [video=youtube;ZWDGIRqmKsg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWDGIRqmKsg[/video][/QUOTE] That's not MH17, that was an An-26 from a few days ago.
That video is of the An-26 they shot down.
The Dutch has confirmed that 27 Australian passengers were on board Whoever shot this plane down is going to get a fucking kick to the head
[QUOTE=IceBlizzard;45421444]Dutch Schiphol press conference was just on, 284 people were on board. 47 unknown 154 Dutch 27 Australians 32 Malaysians 11 Indonesians 6 UK 4 Germans 4 Belgium 3 Philippines 1 Canadian[/QUOTE] If you add them up, you get 289. False flag confirmed.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;45421477]The EU and NATO is going to have a shitfit.[/QUOTE] I hope the politicians are smart enough to know that it is a requirement at this point that they react strongly to this. Otherwise, at least the EU, will prove how weak and useless it is
Assuming ukraine is a warzone.. what this aircraft were doing there?
There is no "strong" reaction to this. Going in like that will just bring a ton of more problems. What is EU and NATO gonna do? Get troops into Ukraine? Get planes to bomb them? Hell no. First, there needs to be a detailed investigation who actually shot the plane down. Escalating the situation will bring nothing.
[QUOTE=antianan;45421505]I bet we won't. It's a really delicate situation, so since i'm pretty sure it wasn't Russia who took the plane down, it's in our interests to play as open as we can. So i think even if these rebels will send the black box to Moscow, our government will share it with western specialists. As we did with polish plane wreckage, by the way.[/QUOTE] I'm hoping so. As severe as my doubts about the Kremlin are, the separatists just seem like a bunch of hooligans at this point, whether you agree with their cause or not. The last thing we need is for the rift between Russia and the West to get bigger still.
[QUOTE=unidentified;45421553]Assuming ukraine is a warzone.. what this aircraft were doing there?[/QUOTE] It's not.
[QUOTE=unidentified;45421553]Assuming ukraine is a warzone.. what this aircraft were doing there?[/QUOTE] tourism? business? personal? just because a "war" is raging, that doesnt mean everything stops.
[QUOTE=unidentified;45421553]Assuming ukraine is a warzone.. what this aircraft were doing there?[/QUOTE] Nobody would expect an airliner to be shot down.
[QUOTE=H4wkeye;45421558]There is no "strong" reaction to this. Going in like that will just bring a ton of more problems. What is EU and NATO gonna do? Get troops into Ukraine? Get planes to bomb them? Hell no. First, there needs to be a detailed investigation who actually shot the plane down. Escalating the situation will bring nothing.[/QUOTE] NATO, more troop movements to Eastern Europe. Both EU and NATO send advisors and weapons to the Ukrainian army. If not crush the separatists directly, then indirectly.
There's a no-fly zone over that part of the Ukraine but only for planes that are below 33,000m (or ft, not sure which), which is normal cruising altitude for commercial airliners. So long as they do not go under that, they are technically not violating it.
Well at least this is a real image. [img]http://i.imgur.com/r5LUsfG.png[/img]
If this gets pinned on the Seperatists, then I wonder if Ukraine will try to retake crimea with their new-found zeal.
[QUOTE=Thlis;45421591]Well at least this is a real image. [img]http://i.imgur.com/r5LUsfG.png[/img][/QUOTE] lol "you launching your counter-terrorist operation [B]made[/B] the seperatist shoot the commercial airliner!11!!1!"
[QUOTE=Thlis;45421591]Well at least this is a real image. [img]http://i.imgur.com/r5LUsfG.png[/img][/QUOTE] Putin truely is a major league cockhead.
[QUOTE=Thlis;45421591]Well at least this is a real image. [img]http://i.imgur.com/r5LUsfG.png[/img][/QUOTE] This takes grasping at straws to a whole new level.
At the moment I am sorta hoping that NATO goes about knocking out every SAM site in Ukraine under the guise of protecting civilian airliners.
Dutch TV showed a 5 second video showing a zoomed in shot of a plane with the right engine on fire, can't find it yet.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45420017]Honestly I don't believe it's rebels. They don't have a history of being THAT incompetent. Either way even if they are not responsible they probably won't be able to prove it, even if they had unbeatable facts.[/QUOTE] Translation of conversation between pro-Russian rebels after the plane was shot down: [quote]0:20: A: Just now, just now, "Minera" group downed an airplane. It fell on Yenakivo. 0:26: B: Pilots? Where are the pilots? 0:29: A: We're going now to search and take photos of the wreckage. 0:33: B: How long ago? 0:34: A: About 30 minutes. [At this point, video skips ahead to a different conversation, apparently some time later and between two different people] 0:44: C: Yes, "Major" 0:45: D: From Chernuhino, they downed the plane. 0:48: C: Who? 0:49: C: From Chernuhino post, cossacks that are stationed at Chernukino. 0:56: C: The plane broke up in mid-air, near Petropavlosk mine. First 200 (ed: ?). Found first 200 (ed: ?). Civilian. 1:12: D: So what's going on? 1:15: C: Stupid civilian plane. 1:18: D: Understood. Are there many people? 1:20: C: SNAFU. Wreckage falling right in peoples yards. 1:24: D: What model? 1:26: C: I haven't figured it out yet. Haven't yet gotten to the main debris. I'm still where the first bodies fell. 1:31: C: There's wreckage of internal containers, seats, bodies. 1:35: D: Understood. Are there any weapons? 1:37: C: Nothing at all. Civilian stuff, medical supplies, towels, toilet paper. 1:43: D: Any documents? 1:45: C: Yes. Indonesian student. From Thompson university.[/quote] [url]http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/separatists-admit-downing-a-civilian-plane-in-tapped-conversation-full-transcript-356545.html[/url] [editline]17th July 2014[/editline] 200 is apparently a Russian radio code for deceased. 300 is wounded
[quote]1:15: C: Stupid civilian plane.[/quote] That comment alone make me pull any sympathies away for these fuckers. Blow them all to kingdom come.
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