• Malaysian passenger airliner shot down over Ukraine near Russian border
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[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45421633]At the moment I am sorta hoping that NATO goes about knocking out every SAM site in Ukraine under the guise of protecting civilian airliners.[/QUOTE] Guess, who will be raging about it if it really happens?
He does not say "stupid civilian plane", he says "it's a civilian plane, 100%".
[QUOTE=darunner;45421640]Translation of conversation between pro-Russian rebels after the plane was shot down: [url]http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/separatists-admit-downing-a-civilian-plane-in-tapped-conversation-full-transcript-356545.html[/url] [editline]17th July 2014[/editline] 200 is apparently a Russian radio code for deceased. 300 is wounded[/QUOTE] kyivpost.com
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The US and NATO should also arm Ukraine forces with high end weapons and pretend their noses bleed when Russia says we supplied them. I know this doesnt solve shit but its just an emotional response.
[QUOTE=antianan;45421668]kyivpost.com[/QUOTE] I believe the translation is from Reddit, and is based on the previously posted radio/phone conversation video.
It's also a wrong translation that dehumanizes the people present.
[QUOTE=Demeschik;45421667]He does not say "stupid civilian plane", he says "it's a civilian plane, 100%".[/QUOTE] You mind translating entirely?
[QUOTE=Thlis;45421700]I believe the translation is from Reddit, and is based on the previously posted radio/phone conversation video.[/QUOTE] I pulled it from the comments section in Jalopnik.
[QUOTE=Demeschik;45421705]It's also a wrong translation that dehumanizes the people present.[/QUOTE] I think the shooting down the plane part would be the most dehumanizing thing in it.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45421712]You mind translating entirely?[/QUOTE] I'll get on it right away, but I probably will make a couple of goofs here and there. My grammar isn't the best.
[QUOTE=Killuah;45421437]Russia will claim the debris + blackbox just like they did with the Polish plane that killed most of the Polish top tier politicians.[/QUOTE] I saw a pretty ghastly vid of that right after it crashed, sounded like gunshots going off.. pretty dodgy looking guys walking around too. Ehh apparantly this is a digitally enhanched recording of it.. [video=youtube;FEx7HL4H5yk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEx7HL4H5yk[/video] I remain neutral on this until I see solid proof. I know Russia can play games but they have said they lost some control over separatist militia's.. I can imagine one of them fucking up. They did claim they shot down a Ukrainian military transport around the time the crash happened.
[QUOTE=Thlis;45421700]I believe the translation is from Reddit, and is based on the previously posted radio/phone conversation video.[/QUOTE] Probably, but the original information (intercepted conversation) still came from SBU. I'm not saying that this is a fake, but SBU is not very trustworthy for me in anything related to rebels.
[QUOTE=Killuah;45421437]Russia will claim the debris + blackbox just like they did with the Polish plane that killed most of the Polish top tier politicians.[/QUOTE] I've heard the rebels already took the black boxes and have sent them to Russia.
[QUOTE=Demeschik;45421721]I'll get on it right away, but I probably will make a couple of goofs here and there. My grammar isn't the best.[/QUOTE] It's cool, just right now that translation is the kind of thing that can pretty obviously spark anger from a lot of people. Also: I am reading a few Facebook military pages, and places like the Funker page are full off, "KILL ALL RUSSIANS" pretty fucked up to that point.
[QUOTE=darunner;45421736]I've heard the rebels already took the black boxes and have sent them to Russia.[/QUOTE] That doesn't really matter to be honest, we know what brought the plane down we just don't know from where it was launched, and I doubt the voice recorder has anything useful.
[QUOTE=arthuro12;45421728]I saw a pretty ghastly vid of that right after it crashed, sounded like gunshots going off.. pretty dodgy looking guys walking around too.[/QUOTE] Not very likely anybody is going to survive a mid air explosion and 30,000ft drop.
[QUOTE=darunner;45421760]Not very likely anybody is going to survive a mid air explosion and 30,000ft drop.[/QUOTE] Talking about the Polish crash.
[QUOTE=arthuro12;45421776]Talking about the Polish crash.[/QUOTE] conspiracy bullshit
[QUOTE=darunner;45421760]Not very likely anybody is going to survive a mid air explosion and 30,000ft drop.[/QUOTE] I believe he's talking about the Polish PM shoot down where a video came out a year afterwards showing a bunch of people getting killed after a plane crash. After the video came out, the guy was hunted down and got the shit beaten out of him by a group of unknown thugs, who later came by and attempted to kill him in the hospital.
[QUOTE=arthuro12;45421728]I saw a pretty ghastly vid of that right after it crashed, sounded like gunshots going off.. pretty dodgy looking guys walking around too. Ehh apparantly this is a digitally enhanched recording of it.. [video=youtube;FEx7HL4H5yk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEx7HL4H5yk[/video] I remain neutral on this until I see solid proof. I know Russia can play games but they have said they lost some control over separatist militia's.. I can imagine one of them fucking up. They did claim they shot down a Ukrainian military transport around the time the crash happened.[/QUOTE] Holy shit that video.
[QUOTE=arthuro12;45421776]Talking about the Polish crash.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45421782]I believe he's talking about the Polish PM shoot down where a video came out a year afterwards showing a bunch of people getting killed after a plane crash. After the video came out, the guy was hunted down and got the shit beaten out of him by a group of unknown thugs, who later came by and attempted to kill him in the hospital.[/QUOTE] My bad!
Just in from Fox: Ukrainian Military ruled out as the one's who fired the missile, based on they type of missile.
[QUOTE=Splash Attack;45421851]Just in from Fox: Ukrainian Military ruled out as the one's who fired the missile, based on they type of missile.[/QUOTE] CNN says nothing has been ruled out
Here is the full translation of the video. (the text intro is in Ukrainian, something about people from Bes' group taking down the plane and reporting to "the colonel") BES: They just took down the plane. The "Miner" group. It fell behind Yenakievo. (Miner here doesn't stand for mine worker) GERANIN: What about the pilots? Where are the pilots? B: They went to seek and photograph the plane. It's smoking... (he isn't talking about the pilots) G: How many minutes ago? B: About 30. (ukrainian text, something about them finding out that it's a civilian plane) [b]a different conversation begins[/b] GREEK: Yes, "Major"! MAJOR: So, people from Chernuhino took down the plane. From the Chernuhino checkpoint. The cossacks guarding Chernuhino. GR: Yes, Major. (not transcribed, probably a part of their conversation missing) M: The plane fell apart in the air, near the Petropavlovskaya mine. First 200, they found the first 200. A civilian. GR: What's going on? M: So, 100%, it's a civilian plane. GR: How many people? M: It's fucked up. The wreckage fell right into people's yards. GR: What plane? (I do not know how to translate that one correctly) M: I don't know yet. I haven't been near the main part. I'm near the place where the first bodies fell. M (again): There are remnants of inside supports, seats and bodies. GR: Are there any weapons? M: Absolutely nothing. Civilian belongings, medical stuff, towels, toilet paper. GR: Any documents? M: Yes. Documents of an Indonesian stundent, from the Thompson university. [b]a different conversation begins[/b] TERRORIST: About that plane that got taken down near Snezhny-Torez. It's a civilian plane. It fell near Grabovo, there's a lot of female and children bodies. The cossacks are watching over it all. T (again): On the television they report that it was a AN-26, a ukrainian transport, but say that it's marked "Malaysian Airlines". What was it doing in Ukraine? KOZYTSIN: It means that they were transporting spies. They shouldn't have flown, there's a war going on. T: Yes, sir, I understand (not transcribed)
[QUOTE=laserguided;45421781]conspiracy bullshit[/QUOTE] Reality is unrealistic. Writing shit off as "conspiracy bullshit" right away is not a wise thing to do. This kind of shit actually does happen, and sometimes is uncovered. Watergate, for example, could easily be written off as a "nut job conspiracy".
[QUOTE=Splash Attack;45421851]Just in from Fox: Ukrainian Military ruled out as the one's who fired the missile, based on they type of missile.[/QUOTE] What kind of stupid reasoning is that. The separatists captured several ukrainian AA vehicles, no fucking shit the missile is ukrainian
Simon otrovskey is on cnn reporting
[QUOTE=Demeschik;45421873] KOZYTSIN: It means that they were transporting spies. They shouldn't have flown, there's a war going on.[/QUOTE] If this is accurate it doesn't bode too well for the separatists, it looks like a motive
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