• Malaysian passenger airliner shot down over Ukraine near Russian border
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The only assumption you could make at this point is that the plane was shot down. Any other type of speculation, at this moment, is fairly dumb.
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[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;45423010]The only assumption you could make at this point is that the plane was shot down. Any other type of speculation, at this moment, is fairly dumb.[/QUOTE] Well you can't help but think or speculate, I just couldn't see the Ukrainian military being dumbfucks and blowing up a civilian airliner, but I could definitely see a few Russian Separatist jacked up on nationalism to destroy a plane they thought was either European or Ukrainian
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;45423036]Well you can't help but think or speculate, I just couldn't see the Ukrainian military being dumbfucks and blowing up a civilian airliner, but I could definitely see a few Russian Separatist jacked up on nationalism to destroy a plane they thought was either European or Ukrainian[/QUOTE] Honestly painting either side of this as the 'better' side is just down right retarded both ukraine and russia have a lot to answer for, and they're both very bad.
fml we're falling into the nationalism traphole...
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;45423047] both ukraine and russia have a lot to answer for, and they're both very bad.[/QUOTE] how about your side?
[QUOTE=FluD;45423067]how about your side?[/QUOTE] I'll take "ad hominem" for $200
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;45422956]I agree. I think their actions were reprehensible, but so many people in this thread are going on a shitfit acting like they purposefully shot down a civilian aircraft.[/QUOTE] They did purposely start an armed conflict, they did purposely seize military weapons, and they did purposely fire a missile at a plane, and the entire time they knew that innocents would get hurt. They didn't know it would happen today, or any other date, they just knew that at some point innocent people were probably going to die. That's not okay.
[QUOTE=FluD;45423067]how about your side?[/QUOTE] Considering the two key players of this conflict are Ukraine and Russia, I'd say that's irrelevant :v:
Are these planes allowed to fly over war zones? Inform me on this, I don't know.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45423108]Are these planes allowed to fly over war zones? Inform me on this, I don't know.[/QUOTE] Never was technically a 'warzone' cause there is technically no 'war'
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45423108]Are these planes allowed to fly over war zones? Inform me on this, I don't know.[/QUOTE] My take is that because the conflict was pretty much only on the ground, planes never had any reason to avoid that area. It's sometimes up to companies to decide whether or not they want that plane flying over war territory
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we send troops over to help with the investigation.
It's still a dangerous area to fly over and it's idiotic of them to do so. What a shame this happened.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;45422804][video=youtube;RWb8BGiIyoA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWb8BGiIyoA[/video] apparently an eye witness shows what really caused the plane to crash.[/QUOTE] Why is it always Howard Stern?
I think they'll probably send some troops to guard the investigators
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45423165]It's still a dangerous area to fly over and it's idiotic of them to do so. What a shame this happened.[/QUOTE] While obviously it's nowhere near the airlines fault that this happened, perhaps this will cause a few more flight paths to be changed in order to avoid more losses.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45423165]It's still a dangerous area to fly over and it's idiotic of them to do so. What a shame this happened.[/QUOTE] Its wasn't dangerous till recently, when it became clear that someone has the ability to shoot down planes at that height. Prior to this people only thought they had MANPADs which mean flying over is quite safe.
how about they have planted in the plane dead bodies from the mortuary, thrown passport, plane detonated themselves without a soul, well, yes, the first re-routed, and exactly over the militia separatists. perfectly invented
[QUOTE=FluD;45423214]how about they have planted in the plane dead bodies from the mortuary, thrown passport, plane detonated themselves without a soul, well, yes, the first re-routed, and exactly over the militia separatists. perfectly invented[/QUOTE] is that u in your avatar
[QUOTE=Mbbird;45423222]is that u in your avatar[/QUOTE] yeah it fits, but still, everyone want a war with Russia ._. why?
I'm hearing a lot of speculation that the black boxes are currently en route to Moscow. How objective... :suicide:
[QUOTE=Jsm;45423200]Its wasn't dangerous till recently, when it became clear that someone has the ability to shoot down planes at that height. Prior to this people only thought they had MANPADs which mean flying over is quite safe.[/QUOTE] Oh please, anything the russians have, it's better to assume that the Ukraine has it as well. Not to claim that it was separatists funded by russia, this kinda stuff is spread out all over the old bloc lands.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;45422804][video=youtube;RWb8BGiIyoA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWb8BGiIyoA[/video] apparently an eye witness shows what really caused the plane to crash.[/QUOTE] I cried a little.
[QUOTE=FluD;45423214]how about they have planted in the plane dead bodies from the mortuary, thrown passport, plane detonated themselves without a soul, well, yes, the first re-routed, and exactly over the militia separatists. perfectly invented[/QUOTE] people died
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;45422855]I'm starting to think the separatists were not behind this, if the evidence was really pointing in that direction, the US would have come out with some pretty severe rhetoric by now, instead, their leaders have been unusually restrained. My guess is they know, or at least suspect the Ukrainian military was responsible. If they had serious reason to believe it was the Russian's they would have at least [B]heavily[/B] implied it by now.[/QUOTE] Thou doth protest too little
[QUOTE=Brandy92;45423250]I'm hearing a lot of speculation that the black boxes are currently en route to Moscow. How objective... :suicide:[/QUOTE] I'm not sure if we can even learn anything useful from the black box, other than the plane's last position and possibly where the missile was coming from.
[QUOTE=Stopper;45423288]I'm not sure if we can even learn anything useful from the black box, other than the plane's last position and possibly where the missile was coming from.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure there's a message on the box saying "Putin was here." Which is why it's being sent to Moscow for editing.
I keep hearing things about how its becoming next to impossible to solve this diplomatically... Why can't we just stop? People should just step back from the situation and look at it objectively. individually they will never gain anything from wars and violence, and if a majority reject the fighting maybe it will stop. When fighting escalates there will always be innocent casualties like this, why cant the humans ever just get along? Just look at it from the cosmic perspective [img]http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/BlueMarble/Images/globe_west_540.jpg[/img] Or even better [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/PaleBlueDot.jpg/530px-PaleBlueDot.jpg[/img] This, the Palestine/Israel conflict, the middle east and many others in recent history. All these pointless wars everywhere. Why hasn't the world learned to live with itself? :( [editline]Edited:[/editline] Please rate me boxes for having the slightest belief that humans can eventually live without blowing each other up. Apparently this stance is a bit [img]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/ratings/rainbow.png[/img] for FP
You are ridiculous.
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