• Malaysian passenger airliner shot down over Ukraine near Russian border
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[QUOTE=40kplayer;45425891]I expected them to let it stay at the scene like decent people without motive. If they were worried about it being used against them, they could have guarded the crash site and waited for investigators to arrive. Regardless, the black box will likely have no useful information, as everyone seems to believe some form of SAM hit occurred. The pilots wouldn't notice the missile until the explosion took place, and after that the black box would either have stopped recording or would continue to record during the descent of debris. Oh, my bet's on them doing just that, they hate having a bad reputation. If they publish the black box recording, I don't believe I would trust it, due to the bias they might have. Parts of the recording may be altered, removed, or rerecorded once they extract the files, if such a thing is even possible. I don't truly know how black boxes work, but it is possible that tampering with it can happen, I believe.[/QUOTE] Russia does have a history of fucking up black boxes, with KAL 007 they faked the signal by putting down a radio transmitter as they took the black box to moscow, took them 8 years to give it back.
[QUOTE=finbe;45425909]Russia does have a history of fucking up black boxes, faked the signal by putting down a radio transmitter as they took the black box to moscow, took them 8 years to give it back.[/QUOTE] Well, don't worry, it's been reported that Ukraninians on site recovered second black box. Also, ITAR TASS referred to that interview with Yarema aswell [url]http://itar-tass.com/proisshestviya/1326489[/url] the text is the same soo no need for oyur googled up translators.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45425871]That alot of swearing and how about you provide your sources? Tweets?[/QUOTE]They've been posted several times in this very thread. Also fuck, shit, piss, and cunt; glad I could swear for you. [QUOTE=BlackPhoenix;45418450][img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bswi16fIYAAiUS1.png[/img][QUOTE]What we shot An-26 with. This is the BUK captured by DNR spetznaz. Repaired, works)))) [/QUOTE][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=croguy;45419174]Strelkov is at it again: [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19459374/strelkov_at_it_again.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Ignhelper;45419197]My Dad might have to fly to Malaysia for Journalism. He flew previously for MH370. And its supposed to be his off tomorrow dammit. Also, this was from the rebels, they deleted it: [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/8oWvNa6.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Brandy92;45424693]If any of you want some sort of confirmation. This is Igor Strelok's (leader of pro russian rebels) VK page moments after the plane was shot down. Has since been removed, but the payback machine has this cached. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/zf7tBuQ.png[/IMG] What a headache for Putin.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.businessinsider.com/leak-separatists-discuss-shooting-down-civilian-aircraft-in-east-ukraine-2014-7"]LEAKS: SEPARATISTS DISCUSS SHOOTING DOWN CIVILIAN AIRCRAFT IN EAST UKRAINE[/URL] [video=youtube;V5E8kDo2n6g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g[/video] [QUOTE] “Greek”: Well, what do you have there? “Major”: In short, it was 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft. “Greek”: Are many people there? “Major”: Holy sh__t! The debris fell right into the yards (of homes). “Greek”: What kind of aircraft? “Major”: I haven’t ascertained this. I haven’t been to the main sight. I am only surveying the scene where the first bodies fell. There are the remains of internal brackets, seats and bodies. “Greek”: Is there anything left of the weapon? “Major”: Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Fighter: Regarding that plane downed in the area of Snezhny-Torez. Mykola Kozitsin: Yes. Fighter: It turned out to be a passenger flight. It fell in the area of Grabovo, there is a sea of corpses of women and children. Now the Cossacks are looking at all this. Fighter: They're broadcasting on TV that this is apparently an AN-26, a Ukrainian, a transport plane, but "Malaysian Airlines" is written on it. What was it doing on the territory of Ukraine? M. Kozitsin: That means they were bringing in spies, I don't know. You see. Fighter: Yes, sir. M. Kozitsin: What the f**k were they flying in here for, there's a war on. Fighter: I understand.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;45425923]They've been posted several times in this very thread. Also fuck, shit, piss, and cunt; glad I could swear for you.[/QUOTE] Tweet with a guy standing near buk. Tweet with a picture of Strelkov. Tweet with a lonely Buk. And a video from social network that depicts downing of other plane with no confirmation of it being shot down by buk. Basically, yout proof is bunch of out of context photos with captions and one video. Good job. And an audio from youtube. Soo this is all against what official representative of Ukraninan goverment said, nice. Show that to him soo he can have good laughs.
I have no idea how AA systems work and I just woke up so keep that in mind,but is it possible that some dumbass rebel or civilian got into that BUK launcher tank thingy and heard some beeps or something and fired it? Or just started pressing buttons and accidentely fired it? I mean,civilians accidentely fired a tank once so it's not [I]completely[/I] impossible. But then again,i'm probably giving the rebels way too much credit.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45425918]Well, don't worry, it's been reported that Ukraninians on site recovered second black box.[/QUOTE] I have just found [url=http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7feadbb4-0dc6-11e4-85ab-00144feabdc0.html#slide0]an article[/url] that says a second black box was found, but I cannot get the text of the article to display. Can anyone else give it a try?
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45425931]Tweet with a guy standing near buk. Tweet with a picture of Strelkov. Tweet with a lonely Buk. And a video from social network that depicts downing of other plane with no confirmation of it being shot down by buk. Basically, yout proof is bunch of out of context photos with captions and one video. Good job. And an audio from youtube. Soo this is all against what official representative of Ukraninan goverment said, nice. Show that to him soo he can have good laughs.[/QUOTE] Funny enough, each of those actually has information tied to it. You're the one who ignored the context of them. Not me. Nice try though. Seriously, just own up to the fact that you're wrong.
[QUOTE=40kplayer;45425942]I have just found [url=http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7feadbb4-0dc6-11e4-85ab-00144feabdc0.html#slide0]an article[/url] that says a second black box was found, but I cannot get the text of the article to display. Can anyone else give it a try?[/QUOTE] Behind a paywall. Wow.
Apparently I need an account. One moment.
[QUOTE=40kplayer;45425942]I have just found [url=http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7feadbb4-0dc6-11e4-85ab-00144feabdc0.html#slide0]an article[/url] that says a second black box was found, but I cannot get the text of the article to display. Can anyone else give it a try?[/QUOTE] It's a paid news site. Only somebody with a subscription can get it.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45425931]Tweet with a guy standing near buk. Tweet with a picture of Strelkov. Tweet with a lonely Buk. And a video from social network that depicts downing of other plane with no confirmation of it being shot down by buk. Basically, yout proof is bunch of out of context photos with captions and one video. Good job. And an audio from youtube. Soo this is all against what official representative of Ukraninan goverment said, nice. Show that to him soo he can have good laughs.[/QUOTE] you are just shit posting because of your national pride. What you should do right now is, stop posting.
I know Facepunch has seemingly had a couple run-ins with Israel's weird internet propaganda group in the past, would anyone be surprised if karimatrix were the Russian equivalant?
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;45425945]Funny enough, each of those actually has information tied to it. You're the one who ignored the context of them. Not me. Nice try though. Seriously, just own up to the fact that you're wrong.[/QUOTE] Tied, HOW? Hashtags? article referencig tweets themselfs? Pfff. Also, here is nice gem: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28MrASx-RiM[/media] For all youtube lovers.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;45425955]I know Facepunch has seemingly had a couple run-ins with Israel's weird internet propaganda group in the past, would anyone be surprised if karimatrix were the Russian equivalant?[/QUOTE] No, he simply took up MuffinZerg's torch.
[QUOTE=cucumber;45425954]you are just shit posting because of your national pride. What you should do right now is, stop posting.[/QUOTE] you take too much credit for advicing me to when stop posting.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45425956]Tied, HOW? Hashtags? article referencig tweets themselfs? Pfff.[/QUOTE] Hey, could you link that article with the news about the second black box? The website I found does have a free account I could use, but I encountered an error when trying to register the account.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45425931]Tweet with a guy standing near buk. Tweet with a picture of Strelkov. Tweet with a lonely Buk. And a video from social network that depicts downing of other plane with no confirmation of it being shot down by buk. Basically, yout proof is bunch of out of context photos with captions and one video. Good job. And an audio from youtube. Soo this is all against what official representative of Ukraninan goverment said, nice. Show that to him soo he can have good laughs.[/QUOTE] Of course the Ukraine would not have confirmed that such valuable and powerful equipment has been seized and now after this they sure will NOT backpedal "hey guys we were lying back then but now that a plane was shot down, ummm, yeah they DID seize that stuff back then look it was totally the rebels not us"
[QUOTE=40kplayer;45425942]I have just found [url=http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7feadbb4-0dc6-11e4-85ab-00144feabdc0.html#slide0]an article[/url] that says a second black box was found, but I cannot get the text of the article to display. Can anyone else give it a try?[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-malaysia-plane-ukraine-20140717,0,3092919.story?track=rss"]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-malaysia-plane-ukraine-20140717,0,3092919.story?track=rss[/URL]
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45425956]Tied, HOW? Hashtags? article referencig tweets themselfs? Pfff.[/QUOTE] The tweets and the information in them. Like people known to be part of the separatists saying these things, post within a very short time after the plane was shot down bragging about having shot down an AN-26 just then. The things I know you're aware of.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45425967]you take too much credit for advicing me to when stop posting.[/QUOTE] When you find yourself on the losing end of an argument, and can't continue without being told to stop arguing because it doesn't hold any water, I would take that advice. Otherwise, sad consequences tend to result, and dumbs are not one of them.
[QUOTE=40kplayer;45425969]Hey, could you link that article with the news about the second black box? The website I found does have a free account I could use, but I encountered an error when trying to register the account.[/QUOTE] The one i got was from russian new website but i don't think there is point in posting that one.
[QUOTE=cucumber;45425926][URL="http://www.businessinsider.com/leak-separatists-discuss-shooting-down-civilian-aircraft-in-east-ukraine-2014-7"]LEAKS: SEPARATISTS DISCUSS SHOOTING DOWN CIVILIAN AIRCRAFT IN EAST UKRAINE[/URL] [video=youtube;V5E8kDo2n6g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g[/video][/QUOTE] I swear this video gets posted every 3 pages.
Seriously, karimatrix, you should just quit while you're only moderately far behind. This is a fight you lost before you took the first swing.
[QUOTE=Zotobom;45425939]I have no idea how AA systems work and I just woke up so keep that in mind,but is it possible that some dumbass rebel or civilian got into that BUK launcher tank thingy and heard some beeps or something and fired it? Or just started pressing buttons and accidentely fired it? I mean,civilians accidentely fired a tank once so it's not [I]completely[/I] impossible. But then again,i'm probably giving the rebels way too much credit.[/QUOTE] Not likely. Radar guided SAMs are significantly more complicated than IR man portable SAMs You have to coordinate between the weapon and the radar system for starters, you have to get tracking down pat and then you have to give that data to the weapon. It would be hard to do accidentally.
Thank you cucumber. So, if Russian attempts to modify the black box recording in any way, it appears that the international community will have their own copy to compare it to.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45425975]When you find yourself on the losing end of an argument, and can't continue without being told to stop arguing because it doesn't hold any water, I would take that advice. Otherwise, sad consequences tend to result, and dumbs are not one of them.[/QUOTE] How am i on a losing end if i provide multiple references to interview with Ukranian official regarding buks and yet tweets somehow outsource on a matter wich now both sides agree? [editline]18th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;45425985]Seriously, karimatrix, you should just quit while you're only moderately far behind. This is a fight you lost before you took the first swing.[/QUOTE] How about you do not take much credit and wait till interview surfs up in more resources if you doubt mine? Also, itar-tass got article in English: [url]http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741271[/url]
You still don't get it, do you? both sides do agree on this matter, but the sources we have agree on something else entirely, and the sources you posted agree on another piece of information entirely.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45425992]How am i on a losing end if i provide multiple references to interview with Ukranian official regarding buks and yet tweets somehow outsource on a matter wich now both sides agree?[/QUOTE] Actions speak louder than words.
[url]http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/malaysia-airlines-plane-mh17-shot-down-on-ukrainerussia-border/story-fnizu68q-1226992889461[/url] rather in depth article on this matter and a few interesting tidbits on the illusive BUK missile launchers.
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