• Malaysian passenger airliner shot down over Ukraine near Russian border
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How to cling to one point that is not even verified. A book by Karimatrix.
[QUOTE=demotech;45426226]Why do people think that the separatists don't have Buk's? Theres been plenty pictures of them having those SAMs[/QUOTE] There are even photo's of them in the city where the flight was flying over when it got shot down, and photos showing them hastily getting removed. It is clear as shit that the separatists are behind it. They are just trying to hide their colossal fuck-up for as long as they can.
[QUOTE=Jordax;45426263]There are even photo's of them in the city where the flight was flying over when it got shot down, and photos showing them hastily getting removed. It is clear as shit that the separatists are behind it. They are just trying to hide their colossal fuck-up for as long as they can.[/QUOTE] I think they are entering first level of the Kübler-Ross model :v:, denial.
[QUOTE=Jordax;45426263]There are even photo's of them in the city where the flight was flying over when it got shot down, and photos showing them hastily getting removed. It is clear as shit that the separatists are behind it. They are just trying to hide their colossal fuck-up for as long as they can.[/QUOTE] links? Also, about interview being on Russian sites only - reminder, this is ukraine newssite [url]http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2014/07/18/7032278/[/url]
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45426074]dumb[/QUOTE] Can you actually give a reason for the Ukraine shooting it down then? I can't think of a single reason Ukraine would have for shooting down a random plane
[QUOTE=gangleider;45421510]if by shitfit you mean saying "oh my god we are super upset" and then not really doing anything until people have moved on yeah, sure[/QUOTE] yes, basically this. [QUOTE=karimatrix;45426275]links? Also, about interview being on Russian sites only - reminder, this is ukraine newssite [url]http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2014/07/18/7032278/[/url][/QUOTE] go away
[QUOTE=Kyle902;45426316]Can you actually give a reason for the Ukraine shooting it down then? I can't think of a single reason Ukraine would have for shooting down a random plane[/QUOTE] How about same reasons they come up with for rebels? Mistake? Panic? not to mention that big portion of ukraine military was surrounded by rebels near border. Perhabs they were cut out long enough to think it's an actual threat? Even if not that, who said they are more competent than rebels after all those casualities and misfires on civilain objects? Also i like how this thread filled with people who only go in discussion until certain moment when they can't proof further then few tweets and mentions of some other photos and them simply ask me to leave unpolitely.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;45426316]Can you actually give a reason for the Ukraine shooting it down then? I can't think of a single reason Ukraine would have for shooting down a random plane[/QUOTE] Actually, i can easily suggest a couple or two of conspiracy theories that can explain why Ukraine could shoot this plane down, and one nonconspiracy theory - a simple mistake (it has already happened before, by the way). Doesn't mean much though, just a small brain exercise.
Is there any solid proof that the rebels shot down the plane? Other than a "leaked" conversation which is very probably fake, why would the rebels let a thing like that leak and it wouldn't be the first time such a thing has been faked by Ukraine. I don't doubt the rebels probably shot it down but is there proof yet?
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45426368]Is there any solid proof that the rebels shot down the plane? Other than a "leaked" conversation which is very probably fake, why would the rebels let a thing like that leak and it wouldn't be the first time such a thing has been faked by Ukraine. I don't doubt the rebels probably shot it down but is there proof yet?[/QUOTE] Tweedly Twetity Tweets is all they got. Oh all the dumbs from same people. What, am i not right? You got something more then tweets? [B]ANYTHING?[/B]
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45426371]Tweedly Twetity Tweets is all they got.[/QUOTE] And all you've got is a few loose screws, apparently. We've officially entered baby talk territory.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;45426386]And all you've got is a few loose screws, apparently. We've officially entered baby talk territory.[/QUOTE] How is interview with goverment prosecutor is a loose screw? As for baby talk, you shoul read up responces in this thread first before saying i started it. Stop taking this to personal level if you can't find anything more of value to back your opinion. Confirmation by both sides worths more then specualtion over tweeted images. period.
Death toll of Dutch citizens increased from 154 to 173. News is about an hour old, didn't see it posted yet so might as well.
[QUOTE=Marlamin;45426397]Death toll of Dutch citizens increased from 154 to 173.[/QUOTE] Australians were revised up to 28.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;45426386]And all you've got is a few loose screws, apparently. We've officially entered baby talk territory.[/QUOTE] Pure shitposting. You may not like his arguments but at least show some maturity.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45426390]How is interview with goverment prosecutor is a loose screw? As for baby talk, you shoul read up responces in this thread first before saying i started it. Stop taking this to personal level.[/QUOTE] photographic evidence kinda outweighs a non military politician's word, sorry
Ukraine interfax also reported on Yarema's interview [url]http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/214197.html[/url] See, it sloowly but surely spreads.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45426406]Pure shitposting. You may not like his arguments but at least show some maturity.[/QUOTE] His "argument" is him posting links to Pravda while babbling in allcaps. I think mutual respect is important but I have a limit.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45426416]Ukraine interfax also reported on Yarema's interview [url]http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/214197.html[/url] See, it sloowly but surely spreads.[/QUOTE] [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bswi16fIYAAiUS1.png[/IMG] Lookie here, it's the image you ignored from earlier in the thread. [QUOTE]What we shot An-26 with. This is the BUK captured by DNR spetznaz. Repaired, works)))[/QUOTE] Even if you don't believe it, please explain to us how the rebels were able to shoot down two Ukrainian fighters without AA?
You're clinging to the words of a politically motivated man karimatrix. The video of the downing was first posted by pro Russian rebels. It was then hastily removed, but not before it was cached and widely distributed.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45426416]Ukraine interfax also reported on Yarema's interview [url]http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/214197.html[/url] See, it sloowly but surely spreads.[/QUOTE] How are you still going?? holy shit
Um the rebels posted on twitter that they had buks and then they deleted them after the plane crashed. I don't see what's so hard to grasp about this.
[QUOTE=Streecer;45426428][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bswi16fIYAAiUS1.png[/IMG] Lookie here, it's the image you ignored from earlier in the thread. Even if you don't believe it, please explain to us how the rebels were able to shoot down two Ukrainian fighters without AA?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;45426414]photographic evidence kinda outweighs a non military politician's word, sorry[/QUOTE] First off, here is your photographic evidence without any captions. Try to tell me by photos, what are they about, where they taken and under wich circumstances. [IMG]http://i62.tinypic.com/2nkhwuc.jpg[/IMG] Second, anti-air vehicle and buk are not the same thing. Rebels used variety of anti air arms to deal with ukrainian aircrafts but the only time they were alledged of using something as buk was when Ukraine goverment claimed their plane was at 6500 m, when there was little reason for plane trasporting troops go that high. Soo basically the only reason everyone clunges on is that Ukrainian goverment from Kiev said their plane was higher then it's actualy was.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45426416]Ukraine interfax also reported on Yarema's interview [url]http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/214197.html[/url] See, it sloowly but surely spreads.[/QUOTE] go shit post somewhere else
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45426416]Ukraine interfax also reported on Yarema's interview [url]http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/214197.html[/url] See, it sloowly but surely spreads.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Killuah;45425970]Of course the Ukraine would not have confirmed that such valuable and powerful equipment has been seized and now after this they sure will NOT backpedal "hey guys we were lying back then but now that a plane was shot down, ummm, yeah they DID seize that stuff back then look it was totally the rebels not us"[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Killuah;45425970]Of course the Ukraine would not have confirmed that such valuable and powerful equipment has been seized and now after this they sure will NOT backpedal "hey guys we were lying back then but now that a plane was shot down, ummm, yeah they DID seize that stuff back then look it was totally the rebels not us"[/QUOTE] Umm that a bit contradicting here. Since basically they do admit rebels never taken buk now, not then?
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45426452]their plane was at 6500 km[/QUOTE] Their plane was going to blow up the moon, thank you russian rebels.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45426470]Umm that a bit contradicting here. Since basically they do admit rebels never taken buk now, not then?[/QUOTE] rebels: we no take buk, we good separatists, we only want to make our own state.
[QUOTE=Chickens!;45426478]Their plane was going to blow up the moon, thank you russian rebels.[/QUOTE] fixed my typo, sorry. [QUOTE=SexualShark;45426453]go shit post somewhere else[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45426484]rebels: we no take buk, we good separatists, we only want to make our own state.[/QUOTE] If this is all you have to tell then i think you guys out of arguments except for personal level treatment. Just fascinating.
If the rebels could shoot down the Antonov then quite obviously they can shoot down the 777. This logic isn't hard to grasp you know
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