• Malaysian passenger airliner shot down over Ukraine near Russian border
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[QUOTE=Kyle902;45426495]If the rebels could shoot down the Antonov then quite obviously they can shoot down the 777. This logic isn't hard to grasp you know[/QUOTE] Do you even known at wich heigh those planes were fliyng?! compare 4000-5000 m to 10 000m. jeez, come on people!
Hello, i am Karimatrix, i defend my country like a rabid dog and my best friend is Conscript. I think Ukraine is full of criminals and it is impossible for my beloved Russia or the people they actively equip to shoot a civilian airliner out of the sky.
[QUOTE=Streecer;45426428][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bswi16fIYAAiUS1.png[/IMG] Lookie here, it's the image you ignored from earlier in the thread.[/QUOTE] Why are you posting DNR propaganda tweets as "proof"? That picture can be taken anywhere and anytime. Either way Buk requires a special targeting station to spot targets at high altitudes and a well trained personal, it isn't a simple button push to launch. Its own radar is used to guide the missiles and for spotting targets at really short ranges.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;45426495]If the rebels could shoot down the Antonov then quite obviously they can shoot down the 777. This logic isn't hard to grasp you know[/QUOTE] Ukraine first blamed for Russia for the Antonov. It seems they attribute blame to who it is most convenient at the time. They first tried to blame Russia for shooting down the 777 as well but not heard much more about that.
[QUOTE]First off, here is your photographic evidence without any captions. Try to tell me by photos, what are they about, where they taken and under wich circumstances.[/QUOTE] This doesn't prove jack shit. Stop being stupid. The image I posted was found on a rebel owned twitter account. Removing the context of the images makes them ambiguous, and while you might think that that's a wicked sick zinger that'll shut me down, it isn't. These images were posted with an explicit purpose, to show off their fancy new AA which they had recently captured. [QUOTE]Second, anti-air vehicle and buk are not the same thing. Rebels used variety of anti air arms to deal with ukrainian aircrafts but the only time they were alledged of using something as buk was when Ukraine goverment claimed their plane was at 6500 m, when there was little reason for plane trasporting troops go that high. Soo basically the only reason everyone clunges on is that Ukrainian goverment from Kiev said their plane was higher then it's actualy was. [/QUOTE] Sorry Mr Armchair General, but who are you to say that the transport shouldn't have been that high? An inconsistency in the height of the plane isn't enough to prove that the rebels don't have BUKs.
Do separtists even have access to planes this large for Ukraine to even possibly get confused? I can't imagine why Ukraine would shoot down a passenger plane especially when they have access to airports and radar with radio communication. The only logical possibility would honestly be separatists believing the plane was a Ukrainian military cargo/transport plane and since they do not have the proper technology to identify it quickly (unlike russia and ukraine) it would give them the most plausible motive as well.
[QUOTE=Streecer;45426517] Sorry Mr Armchair General, but who are you to say that the transport shouldn't have been that high? An inconsistency in the height of the plane isn't enough to prove that the rebels don't have BUKs.[/QUOTE] But if the plane was flying low it would suggest some smaller AA system could be used. Thereby removing the necessity of the rebels having SA11 thereby removing the solid evidence that they have and can use the BUK system.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45425956]Tied, HOW? Hashtags? article referencig tweets themselfs? Pfff. Also, here is nice gem: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28MrASx-RiM[/media] For all youtube lovers.[/QUOTE] This was posted by Tyler Durden so it must be true
[QUOTE=Streecer;45426517]was found on a rebel owned twitter account[/QUOTE] Whoa, you know the guy personally?[B] FOR REAL?[/B] Or is it written somewhere that twitter is official news feed for DNR and LNR?
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45426500]Do you even known at wich heigh those planes were fliyng?! compare 4000-5000 m to 10 000m. jeez, come on people![/QUOTE] so what brought these planes down then
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45426500]Do you even known at wich heigh those planes were fliyng?! compare 4000-5000 m to 10 000m. jeez, come on people![/QUOTE] Well its a good(horribly bad) thing that buks can hit up to 15km up then.
[QUOTE=1chains1;45426521]Do separtists even have access to planes this large for Ukraine to even possibly get confused? I can't imagine why Ukraine would shoot down a passenger plane especially when they have access to airports and radar with radio communication. The only logical possibility would honestly be separatists believing the plane was a Ukrainian military cargo/transport plane and since they do not have the proper technology to identify it quickly (unlike russia and ukraine) it would give them the most plausible motive as well.[/QUOTE] This is most plausible but until theres proof its safer to not go jumping to conclusions. Uninformed conclusions don't help anybody. Misinformed ones even more so.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;45426495]If the rebels could shoot down the Antonov then quite obviously they can shoot down the 777. This logic isn't hard to grasp you know[/QUOTE] It's hard to grasp when you're an apologist for your own retarded views like a fly loves shit. Just ignore him, guys. He's a bigger asskisser for the Russians (for obvious reasons of course) than Conscript is.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45426525]But if the plane was flying low it would suggest some smaller AA system could be used. Thereby removing the necessity of the rebels having SA11 thereby removing the solid evidence that they have and can use the BUK system.[/QUOTE] Exactly, basically everyone blindly accepts they used buk on AN because Kiev said their plane was flying higher than it is. Oh soo much trust.
they said i could be anything so i became a political cartoonist [img]http://files.1337upload.net/karimatrix-86fca7.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45426527]Whoa, you know the guy personally?[B] FOR REAL?[/B] Or is it written somewhere that twitter is official news feed for DNR and LNR?[/QUOTE] "i dont have an argument so im going to descend into hyperbole and petty insults" Ok then, please tell us who you think shot it down? what little evidence is available is pointing directly to the rebels. The rebels have shot down aircraft before and have a presence in the area where it went down. If you have all the answers you won't mind telling us.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45426555]Exactly, basically everyone blindly accepts they used buk on AN because Kiev said their plane was flying higher than it is. Oh soo much trust.[/QUOTE] I don't think it matters how they shot it down so much as the fact that they, you know, SHOT IT DOWN.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45426527]Whoa, you know the guy personally?[B] FOR REAL?[/B] Or is it written somewhere that twitter is official news feed for DNR and LNR?[/QUOTE] what is it with you and boldcaps?
[QUOTE=Joazzz;45426559]they said i could be anything so i became a political cartoonist [img]http://files.1337upload.net/karimatrix-86fca7.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Man, Joazz this is fucking awesome. You know what guys, i can officially say i am out of this thread cause wow this jsut amazing. Make love not war, praise emperor!
[QUOTE=Bazsil;45426567]what is it with you and boldcaps?[/QUOTE] It makes him think his argument is stronger.
[QUOTE=Joazzz;45426559]they said i could be anything so i became a political cartoonist [img]http://files.1337upload.net/karimatrix-86fca7.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] It's magnificent.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45426569]i can officially say i am out of this thread cause wow this jsut amazing. [/QUOTE] thank you joazzz
But now who'll tell us all the hot new news off of RT???
[QUOTE=Joazzz;45426559]they said i could be anything so i became a political cartoonist [img]http://files.1337upload.net/karimatrix-86fca7.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Fantastic!
Karimatrix, please get toxxed already.
Can we stop getting so personal about this. Note the rules about flaming.
[QUOTE=Joazzz;45426559]they said i could be anything so i became a political cartoonist [img]http://files.1337upload.net/karimatrix-86fca7.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] [t]http://i.imgur.com/VfYVmhL.jpg[/t] Thanks. So any more updates on the investigation?
[QUOTE=Kyle902;45426564]I don't think it matters how they shot it down so much as the fact that they, you know, SHOT IT DOWN.[/QUOTE] How they shot it down is important since it could be used to prove if the rebels have the BUK rather than a bunch of MANPADs. Commercial aircraft crusing altitude is > 30000 feet. That height requires you to have a sophisticated AA system like the BUK. If the antonov was flying lower it would mean they could have used a MANPAD in which case it wouldn't mean they have a working BUK system.
This shit's getting more and more complicated as it moves on.
In the NEWS : Pro-moscow rebels are allowing international experts to investigate the site. Russians opposition leaders say that the strike is an "attack in the same scale as 911" [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsyxvHUIEAAQ4lj.jpg[/img] Russian media is changing the story every 10 minutes. Panic ensured. 121 dead remains found.
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