Malaysian passenger airliner shot down over Ukraine near Russian border
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[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;45428555]Holy shit, now I feel bad, it only hit the right wing, so the passengers had to sit through the fact their plane was plummeting to the ground.[/QUOTE]
In any case, the way this missile works, it should have damaged the fuselage and/or wings (which agrees well with large amounts of debris as well as plane getting torn apart). This would cause decompression and people would in their majority stay unconscious up to the final impact.
It seems plane wasn't structurally intact but broke up into big pieces somewhere during its plummet down.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;45428516]Pretty sure it was the 777. The plane was intact the entire way down and you can watch it dive until it falls behind the trees
[url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=816_1405694870[/url]
Definitely the 777[/QUOTE]
'Definitely the 777'?
Except it isn't, its an old video.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULHihLTpLyg[/media]
look at the upload date
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;45428562]The Executive Director of the Ron Paul Institute has suggested that the Ukrainian government may have been responsible:
[URL]http://en.ria.ru/world/20140718/190999951/OPINION-Malaysia-Boeing-Crash-in-Eastern-Urkaine-Beneficial-to.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
The article is pretty much "Moscow doesn't benefit from this, so this is done by Ukraine." from what I see.
He pretty much gave no reason on his opinion.
[QUOTE=Bowser_nl;45428567]This is false. This is a video of the AN 26 being shot down weeks ago.[/QUOTE]
It looks way too big to be an AN 26, and it doesn't even sound like a turboprop in that video at all, though. And given how long it took the sound to travel I would've said it was well above 30k feet
[QUOTE=Griffster26;45428174][IMG]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/18/article-2696975-1FC1B02E00000578-117_964x640.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
ITS RAINING MONEY!
-snip- old video
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;45428562]The Executive Director of the Ron Paul Institute has suggested that the Ukrainian government may have been responsible:
[URL]http://en.ria.ru/world/20140718/190999951/OPINION-Malaysia-Boeing-Crash-in-Eastern-Urkaine-Beneficial-to.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
Yes Russia has nothing to gain from the plane being shot down.
But they didn't shoot it down, the idiots they are directly arming and supporting shot it down.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;45428594]It looks way too big to be an AN 26, and it doesn't even sound like a turboprop[/QUOTE]
Its about time you retired as an Armchair General
consider this a dishonorable discharge
[QUOTE=TheTalon;45428516]Pretty sure it was the 777. The plane was intact the entire way down and you can watch it dive until it falls behind the trees
[url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=816_1405694870[/url]
Definitely the 777[/QUOTE]
that missile hit the engine and the whole plane went down in one piece, by all the evidence we had in the first hours it's easy to tell it's the wrong one
I think for all the ways it could have been hit, nailing the body of the airliner was best for the people onboard. The pressure wave of the explosion/decompression would either kill or knock them unconscious instantly, and they wouldn't have to go through the terrors of the rest of the incident. If it wrecked up a wing everyone would have had to face the flight down like the one in this video
Obama is speaking, confirmed 1 American dead
[QUOTE=Friendly;45427816]Note how most airline operators have enough common sense to send their planes around the active war zone.[/QUOTE]
You should see how many planes fly over places like Syria, Libya etc and did so at the peak of their conflicts.
Joep Lange, a leading AIDS/HIV researcher en route to a AIDS research conference in Melborne, was on board.
[URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28360827"]Source[/URL]
[QUOTE=TheTalon;45428516]Pretty sure it was the 777. The plane was intact the entire way down and you can watch it dive until it falls behind the trees
[url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=816_1405694870[/url]
Definitely the 777[/QUOTE]
Nah, at about 1:13 the plane pitches upwards, and you can see it has top mounted wings, like the An-26. 777s have bottom mounted wings.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;45428562]The Executive Director of the Ron Paul Institute has suggested that the Ukrainian government may have been responsible:
[URL]http://en.ria.ru/world/20140718/190999951/OPINION-Malaysia-Boeing-Crash-in-Eastern-Urkaine-Beneficial-to.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
While its true only Kiev has something to gain from this (worldwide support vs rebels and stopping Russia from supplying them) the website doesn't consider the possibility of the rebels shooting it down, mistaking it for a Ukrainian aircraft.
This is horrible. May they all rest in peace :(
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;45428605]Yes Russia has nothing to gain from the plane being shot down.
But they didn't shoot it down, the idiots they are directly arming and supporting shot it down.[/QUOTE]
Both sides have plenty to gain from shooting the plane down, and it boils down to being able to pin the blame on the other side. No reason to accuse russia or ukraine quite yet
[QUOTE=TheTalon;45428594]And given how long it took the sound to travel I would've said it was well above 30k feet[/QUOTE]
[url]http://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/storms/question182.htm[/url]
1 mile per 5 seconds. 20 seconds between impact and the camera hearing the boom makes it 4 miles, which means 20,000 feet. And the impact wasn't directly above the camera, but a good distance off to the side.
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;45428697]Joep Lange, a leading AIDS/HIV researcher en route to a AIDS research conference in Melborne, was on board.
[URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28360827"]Source[/URL][/QUOTE]
Okay, if we capture who ever was responsible, I think crimes against humanity is a very, very suited thing right about now. Not only has this shoot-down killed roughly 295 passengers, it has also killed someone who is helping mankind all around.
There were children and babies on board that plane! I really want to know what was in the mind of the assholes who sanction the missle attack. If the plane was just harmlessly flying over the sky with no threat to them, why was there an order to shoot it down? If making a statement means killing civilians, then those responsible for this mass murder can earn a place in hell for all eternity!
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45428824]Okay, if we capture who ever was responsible, I think crimes against humanity is a very, very suited thing right about now. Not only has this shoot-down killed roughly 295 passengers, it has also killed someone who is helping mankind all around.[/QUOTE]
that isn't how it works lmao
I don't care if they shot down fucking Con-Air it doesn't change the severity of nearly 300 people dying.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45428824]Okay, if we capture who ever was responsible, I think crimes against humanity is a very, very suited thing right about now. Not only has this shoot-down killed roughly 295 passengers, it has also killed someone who is helping mankind all around.[/QUOTE]
It's not like they were in that BUK looking in the sky and said ''oi that plane has an HIV researcher lets shoot it down''
[QUOTE=Gentry;45428835]that isn't how it works lmao
I don't care if they shot down fucking Con-Air it doesn't change the severity of nearly 300 people dying.[/QUOTE]
I think you misread his post.
[QUOTE=Griffster26;45428174][IMG]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/18/article-2696975-1FC1B02E00000578-117_964x640.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Aw they hid money in their pack of cards for safekeeping :(
[QUOTE=Gentry;45428835]that isn't how it works lmao
I don't care if they shot down fucking Con-Air it doesn't change the severity of nearly 300 people dying.[/QUOTE]
Correct me if I am wrong, but the fact that this was a violation of the Geneva Conventions sorta supports the fact that it's crimes against humanity regardless.
[QUOTE=Zotobom;45428848]It's not like they were in that BUK looking in the sky and said ''oi that plane has an HIV researcher lets shoot it down''[/QUOTE]
What made them think it was a good idea to shoot it down in the first place? I've said it before and I'll say it again, people who commit this sort of crime are lower than pond scum.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45428849]I think you misread his post.[/QUOTE]
I read it fine.
He thinks that just because it had an AIDs doctor on board that determines the level of crime.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45428858]What made them think it was a good idea to shoot it down in the first place? I've said it before and I'll say it again, people who commit this sort of crime are lower than pond scum.[/QUOTE]
I completely agree. I may have misread his post,but I think he said that they deserve ''crime against humanity'' sanctions. Like they didn't deserve that for the other 290 or so people killed.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45428856]Correct me if I am wrong, but the fact that this was a violation of the Geneva Conventions sorta supports the fact that it's crimes against humanity regardless.[/QUOTE]
When the US shot down an Iranian passenger plane, it wasn't called a crime against humanity.
In fact none of the similar incidents were either, so I don't think having an AIDs doctor onboard will change that lol
[QUOTE=Zotobom;45428848]It's not like they were in that BUK looking in the sky and said ''oi that plane has an HIV researcher lets shoot it down''[/QUOTE]
They shouldn't of been shooting rockets into goddamn air regardless. 295 people are dead, including people two people who were trying to benefit humanity with AIDs/HIV vaccine research.
[QUOTE=Zotobom;45428866]I completely agree. I may have misread his post,but I think he said that they deserve ''crime against humanity'' sanctions. Like they didn't deserve that for the other 290 or so people killed.[/QUOTE]
I do believe that the crimes against humanity thing is more of a general statement, issued before the fact, at least from how I read into the post.
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