• Malaysian passenger airliner shot down over Ukraine near Russian border
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I wonder what the atmosphere is like on the ground amongst the separatists right now
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;45418536]It's been done plenty of times before. Hell the US navy once mistook a passenger jet for an F-14 and shot it down. [/QUOTE] Airliners have been shot down before but in most cases, they weren't accidental. They typically violated airspace and refused to leave or land and were then shot down. Accidental SAM launches don't happen in 2014. The rebels saw an aircraft on the radar coming from the Ukraine and they shot it down. Simple as that.
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[QUOTE=Scot;45418556]plane was 10,000km in the air RT confirms[/QUOTE] Confirmed shot down by the mooninites.
[QUOTE=Jsm;45418562]10 thousand kilometres? In the exosphere?[/QUOTE] yup thats what they said
[QUOTE=danharibo;45418563][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007[/url][/QUOTE] Touche. So maybe a possibility, but an astronomical one at that. That was during the Cold War though, so things could've changed (let's hope).
Can they distinguish a passenger aircraft from a military one?
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BswaE3iCIAAu-d_.jpg[/img] this is awful.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;45418581]Can they distinguish a passenger aircraft from a military one?[/QUOTE] Different planes have unique transponder codes that you can distinguish on a radar system. But it wouldn't be the first time that the signatures were misread.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;45418580]Touche. So maybe a possibility, but an astronomical one at that. That was during the Cold War though, so things could've changed (let's hope).[/QUOTE] That was because the plane flew off course, and into restricted Russian airspace. This plane didn't violate any airspace rules afaik.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45418526]And what do you mean not on purpose? It's kind hard to accidentally lock onto an aircraft and then launch a missile at it.[/QUOTE] a bunch of undertrained triggerhappy rebels are celebrating shooting down a military plane with no proof of any other planes going down right now, for one they probably saw it as a threat and fired without question or warning. Someone mentioned earlier that airspace above the general area was considered 'closed', and looking at that first flightradar picture it seems like none of the other planes on the map were near it nor approaching the center of a large null zone
[QUOTE=Scot;45418556]plane was 10,000km in the air RT confirms[/QUOTE] Belgium to Malaysia with a stop over on the International Space Station.
[QUOTE=danharibo;45418563][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007[/url][/QUOTE] just about every other incident with an airliner being shot down, radio calls and orders were given to the airliner, and then the airliner ignored them or refused them.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;45418597]Different planes have unique transponder codes that you can distinguish on a radar system. But it wouldn't be the first time that the signatures were misread.[/QUOTE] Then why didn't they attempt communication? Why didn't they try to get a closer look? WHY did they just shoot it down willy nilly if they weren't 100% sure? This was a deliberate act of violence, this was no accident.
i don't care who's actually at fault, whoever it is they've done started some shit the dutch are gonna be pissed. europe's gonna be pissed. then the US is gonna have to get pissed it's not gonna end well
What do you think are the chances that this will get the west involved militarily?
[QUOTE=Glitchman;45418566]Those pictures aren't as gory as I thought, which is almost more terrible. Makes you feel like the deaths weren't instant[/QUOTE] The deaths definitely weren't instant right after the missile hit. I can imagine most of the passengers losing consciousness soon after the plane fell apart at 10,000 metres though.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;45418510]At this point I think that no matter who did it, they sure as hell didn't do it on purpose. The question I have is why the fuck civilian aircraft were allowed to fly through a warzone with extremely active anti-air.[/QUOTE] Uh, what? It could easily have been on purpose, either because the man using the SAM just wanted to shoot something down to wanting to escalate the conflict to a false flag. Nothing says it was an accident.
[QUOTE=Nipples;45418611]Then why didn't they attempt communication? Why didn't they try to get a closer look? WHY did they just shoot it down willy nilly if they weren't 100% sure? This was a deliberate act of violence, this was no accident.[/QUOTE] Because they're nowhere near a professional military. I'm not saying they're not responsible, I'm just saying, nobody has motive to go "lol look its a passenger plane lets shoot it down guys."
Who knows, maybe it was hijacked and brought into bad airspace (on purpose or accident) could be a whole inside job in the Malaysia airlines, think about it, first you have that other plane that was lost, now this it's more likely a coincidence dun dun dun
[QUOTE=OvB;45418617]What do you think are the chances that this will get the west involved militarily?[/QUOTE] Nil. Unless someone seriously important was on that flight, then we're probably going to stay out of it. We've had our airliners shot down before by smaller fries than a few Russian rebels and never did much about it.
[QUOTE=OvB;45418617]What do you think are the chances that this will get the west involved militarily?[/QUOTE] 0% However dead European nationals will force the EU to actually act for once. I fully expect severe sanctions if the Russians are even linked in a tangential way.
What if it was actually a terrorist attack that took advantage of the Ukrainian situation?
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45418641]Nil. Unless someone seriously important was on that flight, then we're probably going to stay out of it. We've had our airliners shot down before by smaller fries than a few Russian rebels and never did much about it.[/QUOTE] It depends because the US goes through phases. Sometimes we just ignore airliners being shot down, but other times we've shelled the fuck out of countries because of it. In this case I'm guessing we'll ignore it. At most more sanctions.
It was flying above there because Ukraine isn't a "warzone" officially, it's an area with high terrorist activity, officially, because Russia haven't admitted their involvement. Both sides will deny anything and blame each other, nothing will happen. There have been so many horrible things happening in that part of the world recently and nothing has been resolved and nobody has been officially blamed. Officially Russia isn't even part of this any more. If this doesn't out Russia as starting a land-war, then nothing will.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;45418628]Because they're nowhere near a professional military. I'm not saying they're not responsible, I'm just saying, nobody has motive to go "lol look its a passenger plane lets shoot it down guys."[/QUOTE] Even if it is a case of mistaken identity, it's still not an accident. Who ever was in charge of the SAM didn't give 2 shits about positive identification; all he cared about was that there was an aircraft coming from Ukraine airspace and he didn't want it there, military aircraft or not.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45418641]Nil. Unless someone seriously important was on that flight, then we're probably going to stay out of it. We've had our airliners shot down before by smaller fries than a few Russian rebels and never did much about it.[/QUOTE] How many of those have been shot down by state sponsored rebel fighters?
[QUOTE=OvB;45418617]What do you think are the chances that this will get the west involved militarily?[/QUOTE] It's possible, but it would raise tensions with Russia. I'm concerned Cold War 2.0 is on the horizon.
[QUOTE=OvB;45418617]What do you think are the chances that this will get the west involved militarily?[/QUOTE] I'd say very low unless this can definitively be pinned on someone. We aren't in the early 20th century anymore.
Why the fuck are they letting commercial airliners fly over an area where we already know anti-aircraft weapons are extensively used?
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