Oh god there was no explaining this one. You either apologize and shut up or the hole gets deeper.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52091070]He never really suffered stress in the white house though because he was a puppet.[/QUOTE]
What about that time someone shot his ass?
I feel like spicer's face-to-head ratio has improved in the recent pic
[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;52090357]I really don't want to be the "this is what this dipshit [I]actually[/I] meant" guy, but I think he meant that Hitler didn't use chemical weapons in open warfare. He sure as hell [I]wanted[/I] to, judging by how the Nazis invented nerve gas and stockpiled tons of the stuff, but he was too terrified of what the Allies would do in retaliation to use it.[/QUOTE]
It was a combination of this and the fact that a lot of German supply lines utilized horses and they couldn't create a practical gas mask for horses so they didn't want to risk it.
After sixteen consecutive years of political gaffe machines in office, this sort of thing really doesn't come as much of a surprise. That said, this [I]really [/I]isn't the kind of statement I'd expect from anyone tasked to deal with the press. Spicer ought to hire a miniature Press Secretary-secretary so he can have someone to explain away his blunders like the President does.
[QUOTE=Judas;52091090]This is a meme by nazi sympathizers, under hitler the economy was shit and the standard of living plummeted, even before the holocaust and the war hitler was a shit leader[/QUOTE]
Dude there was massive amounts of poverty and unemployment pre-ww2 due to the aftermath of ww1.
European countries wouldn't have any of it, and made Germany pay huge amounts of war reparations, money that they didn't have due to the trade restrictions among other things.
The United States lent money to them because we weren't total fucking assholes, (but still, keyword lend) which helped them up until the United States itself went into a huge depression and Germany ended up right back where they started.
The political climate back then isn't like how it is now, the other countries wouldn't just ease up. Hitler did what was needed (Aside from the brutalities against jews, homosexuals, gypsies and the like). If not for Hitler the world likely wouldn't be in such a great state it is now.
He pulled them out of a depression and arguably was a great leader in that regard, and post ww2 the europeans and the United States decided that war reparations isn't the way to go about it.
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;52092081]Dude there was massive amounts of poverty and unemployment pre-ww2 due to the aftermath of ww1.
European countries wouldn't have any of it, and made Germany pay huge amounts of war reparations, money that they didn't have due to the trade restrictions among other things.
The United States lent money to them because we weren't total fucking assholes, (but still, keyword lend) which helped them up until the United States itself went into a huge depression and Germany ended up right back where they started.
The political climate back then isn't like how it is now, the other countries wouldn't just ease up. Hitler did what was needed (Aside from the brutalities against jews, homosexuals, gypsies and the like). If not for Hitler the world likely wouldn't be in such a great state it is now.
He pulled them out of a depression and arguably was a great leader in that regard, and post ww2 the europeans and the United States decided that war reparations isn't the way to go about it.[/QUOTE]
facepunch user derek_sm outs himself as an actual nazi symathizer
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;52092081]If not for Hitler the world likely wouldn't be in such a great state it is now.
He pulled them out of a depression and arguably was a great leader in that regard, and post ww2 the europeans and the United States decided that war reparations isn't the way to go about it.[/QUOTE]
Did you really just make a claim [I]that[/I] asinine, and then [I]immediately[/I] describe what made it so incorrect? Hitler did fuck all to improve Germany's fortunes. The fact that the country even still [I]exists[/I] today is a testament to an insane amount of both dumb luck and something resembling magnanimity on the part of the Allies.
Wow, the White House actually said something close to "Hitler did nothing wrong".
[QUOTE=Judas;52092120]facepunch user derek_sm outs himself as an actual nazi symathizer[/QUOTE]
Great job ignoring everything. I don't agree with his policies on just about everything else, but he unfucked his country (and later fucked it late in the war -- but it taught the other countries a lesson in fucking over countries)
[QUOTE=IKTM;52092152]Did you really just make a claim [I]that[/I] asinine, and then [I]immediately[/I] describe what made it so incorrect? Hitler did fuck all to improve Germany's fortunes. The fact that the country even still [I]exists[/I] today is a testament to an insane amount of both dumb luck and something resembling magnanimity on the part of the Allies.[/QUOTE]
How does that make it incorrect? Saying Hitler didn't do shit to improve the economy is pretty ignorant though, no?
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;52092184]Great job ignoring everything. I don't agree with his policies on just about everything else, but he unfucked his country (and later fucked it late in the war -- but it taught the other countries a lesson in fucking over countries)
How does that make it incorrect? Saying Hitler didn't do shit to improve the economy is pretty ignorant though, no?[/QUOTE]
he literally didn't, you're ignoring basic facts to defend hitler's actions
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;52092081]Dude there was massive amounts of poverty and unemployment pre-ww2 due to the aftermath of ww1.
European countries wouldn't have any of it, and made Germany pay huge amounts of war reparations, money that they didn't have due to the trade restrictions among other things.
The United States lent money to them because we weren't total fucking assholes, (but still, keyword lend) which helped them up until the United States itself went into a huge depression and Germany ended up right back where they started.
The political climate back then isn't like how it is now, the other countries wouldn't just ease up. Hitler did what was needed (Aside from the brutalities against jews, homosexuals, gypsies and the like). If not for Hitler the world likely wouldn't be in such a great state it is now.
He pulled them out of a depression and arguably was a great leader in that regard, and post ww2 the europeans and the United States decided that war reparations isn't the way to go about it.[/QUOTE]
He pulled them out of a depression by instituting an unsustainable war economy. Wages only increased because of increased working hours, not actual increasing hourly wages. The consumer economy absolutely didn't keep up with demand, since it was a permanent war economy. Wages under Hitler were [I]lower[/I] than they were before he took power. Income inequality continued to increase.
The only reason the "economy improved" was because Hitler forced a war economy. People were encouraged to work longer hours (for the same pay), production shifted to primarily military purposes. If Hitler's regime had lasted after WW2, his economic "success" would have collapsed without constant warfare. Nothing he did bolstered a functioning peacetime economy. The government basically printed the Reichsmark non-stop to fund the war effort, inflating the currency. There were literally laws in place that banned using foreign currency to stop people from using other forms of money for trade other than the Reichsmark.
Unemployment decreased, hooray! Why? Because the totalitarian state literally gave loans to encourage women to exit the workforce and live in the home to support a strict family structure, freeing up space for men to work (effectively decreasing unemployment). Also, millions of young men were employed in the military.
He "pulled them out of a depression" by building a war machine and using it to conquer surrounding countries and slaughter millions of people. Effective? Sure. Good leadership? Fuck no, he was a warmongering imperialist racial supremacist who made a military totalitarian state. You can't say he "fixed the economy" if fixing the economy requires constant, endless warfare, and isn't sustainable in times of peace.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;52092248]He pulled them out of a depression by instituting an unsustainable war economy. Wages only increased because of increased working hours, not actual increasing hourly wages. The consumer economy absolutely didn't keep up with demand, since it was a permanent war economy. Wages under Hitler were [I]lower[/I] than they were before he took power. Income inequality continued to increase.
The only reason the "economy improved" was because Hitler forced a war economy. People were encouraged to work longer hours (for the same pay), production shifted to primarily military purposes. If Hitler's regime had lasted after WW2, his economic "success" would have collapsed without constant warfare. Nothing he did bolstered a functioning peacetime economy. The government basically printed the Reichsmark non-stop to fund the war effort, inflating the currency. There were literally laws in place that banned using foreign currency to stop people from using other forms of money for trade other than the Reichsmark.
Unemployment decreased, hooray! Why? Because the totalitarian state literally gave loans to encourage women to exit the workforce and live in the home to support a strict family structure, freeing up space for men to work (effectively decreasing unemployment). Also, millions of young men were employed in the military.
He "pulled them out of a depression" by building a war machine and using it to conquer surrounding countries and slaughter millions of people. Effective? Sure. Good leadership? Fuck no, he was a warmongering imperialist racial supremacist who made a military totalitarian state. You can't say he "fixed the economy" if fixing the economy requires constant, endless warfare, and isn't sustainable in times of peace.[/QUOTE]
I'm not disagreeing with that the country wouldn't sustain itself after war. There was nothing they could do though, they had tried pleading to no avail, and countries would even come in and take what they wanted post ww1 when Germany couldn't pay war reparations.
You back an animal into a corner and this is what you get. And what you got here was [i]something[/i], and with what the country started with when Hitler took power he actually did a pretty good job.
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;52090371]He's tired, folks. Give him a break.
[Img]https://i.imgur.com/IjcfLo5.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
You know, I was having trouble figuring out why this image was so familiar when suddenly it hit me.
[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/Schreck.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;52092340]I'm not disagreeing with that the country wouldn't sustain itself after war. There was nothing they could do though, they had tried pleading to no avail, and countries would even come in and take what they wanted post ww1 when Germany couldn't pay war reparations.
You back an animal into a corner and this is what you get. And what you got here was [i]something[/i], and with what the country started with when Hitler took power he actually did a pretty good job.[/QUOTE]
he murdered [i]millions[/i] of [i]his own people[/i] and you're saying he did a pretty good job? you're saying hitler was [i]backed into a corner[/i]
I think you upgraded yourself from "nazi sympathizer" to "nazi"
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;52092340]I'm not disagreeing with that the country wouldn't sustain itself after war. There was nothing they could do though, they had tried pleading to no avail, and countries would even come in and take what they wanted post ww1 when Germany couldn't pay war reparations.
You back an animal into a corner and this is what you get. And what you got here was [i]something[/i], and with what the country started with when Hitler took power he actually did a pretty good job.[/QUOTE]
what are you even talking about right now do you ever like read what you post
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;52092340]I'm not disagreeing with that the country wouldn't sustain itself after war. There was nothing they could do though, they had tried pleading to no avail, and countries would even come in and take what they wanted post ww1 when Germany couldn't pay war reparations.
You back an animal into a corner and this is what you get. And what you got here was [I]something[/I], and with what the country started with when Hitler took power he actually did a pretty good job.[/QUOTE]
Instigating world wars is a good job? Having your country occupied not just 10 years after the release of Saarland is a good job? Having it split in half for decades with the east falling under a communist regime is a good job?
I guess he did such a good job he had to off himself in Berlin too.
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;52092340]I'm not disagreeing with that the country wouldn't sustain itself after war. There was nothing they could do though, they had tried pleading to no avail, and countries would even come in and take what they wanted post ww1 when Germany couldn't pay war reparations.
You back an animal into a corner and this is what you get. And what you got here was [i]something[/i], and with what the country started with when Hitler took power he actually did a pretty good job.[/QUOTE]
He did such a good job that Germany was so weakened by the end of World War II, they had to be given heaps of money and manpower by the Allies so they wouldn't be taken over by the Soviets.
Cut it out with this "Hitler was actually a really effective leader guys" nonsense. You are only making yourself look worse.
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;52092340]I'm not disagreeing with that the country wouldn't sustain itself after war. There was nothing they could do though, they had tried pleading to no avail, and countries would even come in and take what they wanted post ww1 when Germany couldn't pay war reparations.
You back an animal into a corner and this is what you get. And what you got here was [i]something[/i], and with what the country started with when Hitler took power he actually did a pretty good job.[/QUOTE]
He instigated another world war, committed fucking genocide and left the country in shambles to the point where it was occupied by 4 countries, an occupation that lasted over 40 years.
What the [I]fuck[/I] are you even on about right now?
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;52090371]He's tired, folks. Give him a break.
[Img]https://i.imgur.com/IjcfLo5.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
He looks like that guy in a zombie movie who's desperately trying to hide the fact that he's been bitten.
[QUOTE=Judas;52092654]he murdered [i]millions[/i] of [i]his own people[/i] and you're saying he did a pretty good job? you're saying hitler was [i]backed into a corner[/i]
I think you upgraded yourself from "nazi sympathizer" to "nazi"[/QUOTE]
Well, Germany was backed into a corner after WW1, not Hitler though.
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;52092081]He pulled them out of a depression and arguably was a great leader in that regard, and post ww2 the europeans and the United States decided that war reparations isn't the way to go about it.[/QUOTE]
he didn't, the depression was already coming to an end before he came to power
all of his policies were also unsustainable and relied upon looting and war economy
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;52092081]
He pulled them out of a depression and arguably was a great leader in that regard, and post ww2 the europeans and the United States decided that war reparations isn't the way to go about it.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but if you need to kill millions to save an economy you couldn't be a more shitty leader
you know for being the white house press secretary he doesn't really do a good job of it...
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;52092340]I'm not disagreeing with that the country wouldn't sustain itself after war. There was nothing they could do though, they had tried pleading to no avail, and countries would even come in and take what they wanted post ww1 when Germany couldn't pay war reparations.
You back an animal into a corner and this is what you get. And what you got here was [i]something[/i], and with what the country started with when Hitler took power he actually did a pretty good job.[/QUOTE]
Usally when Judas calls someone a Nazi or Nazi sympathizer I just think Judas is being an idiot, but jfc, did you even read what you wrote?
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52093798]Huh? Allies artificially created a weak Germany by moving out industry and infrastructure and not letting an army be created. Morgenthau wanted to make a "pastoral" country in West Germany.[/QUOTE]
What Morgenthau wanted is a pointless, the Brits and Americans were fully aware of the consequences that harsh treaties caused last time; the rising power of the Soviets only further influenced the need for a strong Germany. At the time of the proposed plan Roosevelt was alerted that any sort of proposition or mention of the Morgenthau Plan would lead the average citizen to most likely fight to the end.
The Wirtschaftswunder didn't happen out of Germany's own power, it was the Marshall Plan. The Allies didn't weaken us, they made us stronger than ever.
[QUOTE=Derek_SM;52092340]I'm not disagreeing with that the country wouldn't sustain itself after war. There was nothing they could do though, they had tried pleading to no avail, and countries would even come in and take what they wanted post ww1 when Germany couldn't pay war reparations.
You back an animal into a corner and this is what you get. And what you got here was [i]something[/i], and with what the country started with when Hitler took power he actually did a pretty good job.[/QUOTE]
Watch User "Derek_SM" Dig His Own Grave
In a round about way Hitler is still having a negative affect with the volkswagen emmision scandal.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen#1932.E2.80.931938:_People.27s_Car_project[/url]
i think people are really losing sight of what was accomplished here
sean spicer got the entire media to denounce comparisons to hitler
i think he deserves some kind of medal for this, really unprecedented achievement
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