Refugees disagreeing about ramadan burn their center down. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kentz;50497324][url]http://cis.org/High-Cost-of-Resettling-Middle-Eastern-Refugees[/url] here's a source for the cost of resettling refugees from the middle east to US (where the cost of 1 in the US equals 12 in the syria) but you may also scroll down to "cost in other countries" and crunch some numbers yourself[/QUOTE] A conservative think-tank. Noice. I suppose them being a non-profit is a bonus. But it won't change their political leaning causing an inherent bias against refuge systems.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;50497442]A conservative think-tank. Noice. I suppose them being a non-profit is a bonus. But it won't change their political leaning causing an inherent bias against refuge systems.[/QUOTE] they have sources if you scroll down

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50497122]What the fuck just happened? It's like as soon as you said it you summoned every anti-refugee person on Facepunch. On to your actual argument, no one is calling thOrianite a xenophobe for suggesting that we shouldn't take refugees in. People are calling him that because he literally is one. He believes that generalization of people and the subsequent racism created are natural things an thus we must abide by them. Then, when people attempt to disprove him and call him out on his bullshit, all he uses strawman arguments to beat around the bush. We're not attacking his argument, just his general views on other people. [/QUOTE] Everyone seems to be too scared to mention anything negative about the whole refugee situation in fear of getting banned for being some sort of a phobe. How about we stop with the titles that you self proclaimed internet psychologists seem to be proud of. Do you know him personally that you can make such a big claim ?

[QUOTE=pkhzor;50498646]Everyone seems to be too scared to mention anything negative about the whole refugee situation[...][/QUOTE] Did you ever take a look in threads about refugees? lol

[QUOTE=NoOneKnowsMe;50498842]Did you ever take a look in threads about refugees? lol[/QUOTE] or watch the news

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50497122]What the fuck just happened? It's like as soon as you said it you summoned every anti-refugee person on Facepunch. On to your actual argument, no one is calling thOrianite a xenophobe for suggesting that we shouldn't take refugees in. People are calling him that because he literally is one. He believes that generalization of people and the subsequent racism created are natural things an thus we must abide by them. Then, when people attempt to disprove him and call him out on his bullshit, all he uses strawman arguments to beat around the bush. We're not attacking his argument, just his general views on other people.[/QUOTE] I'm not afraid of foreigners at all, I just want to put my nation first. This is my home and I value my ability to choose who governs me and who we let in. Asylum seekers and those who seek to integrate into our society will hopefully always be welcome in Britain and I don't know one person here who would disagree with that. I simply think we need to stop denying that groups can in fact have traits, I'm not at all arguing that individuals can be generalized, but that general populations can be and should be where it is useful. Individuals are too complex and varied to be generalized, but when we look at people as groups, we can notice trends and similarities in their shared culture, beliefs and as a result, behaviours. This has nothing to with racism, race is but one of the myriad groups we all belong to and not a very important one at that. Shame on you. Noticing patterns in groups of people whether the patterns exist or not is not the same thing as discriminating against or hating an individual based on the groups they belong to. It's a natural mechanism of the brain to find patterns. We're very good at it and we should harness it for good rather than bury our head in the sand and deny that people belong to many groups all at the same time, or that these groups aren't essentially tribes, with the same hierarchical nature and archetypal role fulfillment by the members. People equating me to a nazi is like saying someone who believes in social welfare is automatically a full-blown Communist, everything in life is not that black and white I'm afraid.

[QUOTE=Killuah;50490196]These are the first official numbers about crime among refugees so I don't quite get where your ""Yet a report from about 2015 has shown a huuuuge (year-by-year) increase in crimes done by non-Germans" is coming from. Also you are missing the point that in relative terms refugees are not more criminal than non-refugees, of course the absolute numbers went up as the numbers of refugees went up. A 7 year old could tell you that much. And while you were busy talking about how some report showed an increase in absolute numbers, you even forgot how the newest report shows a decrease by 18% for 2016 in absolute numbers. Good job. [editline]10th June 2016[/editline] But the numbers show exactly that? Or did you not understand that this is of course meant in relative numbers?[/QUOTE] Since you obviously don't even read most of what one writes. The numbers come from the stats the police has released: [url]https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Broschueren/2016/pks-2015.pdf?__blob=publicationFile[/url] [IMG]https://abload.de/img/1465048207614ucumn.png[/IMG] There you can see the year-by-year increase. So, going by what you are saying ~1.2 million refugees are causing an increase of 300.000 crimes. That's quite a number, don't you think? If refugees are not more criminal than non-refugees, why do Syrians suddenly represent such a large percentage of all crimes commited, even more than Turkish immigrants, which amount to close to 4 million people? [IMG]https://abload.de/img/284ujc.jpg[/IMG] And no, the numbers don't show that. If we go by the first statistic (and the fact that there are around 8 million immigrants in Germany), if there were as many immigrants as native-Germans (so around 72 million), then the number of crimes committed by non-native-Germans would be around 7.8 million. That's many times higher than the number for native-Germans.

"nichtdeutsche" also includes crimes done by non-refugee people from other countries. That are tourists as well as eastern European crime organizations The police even issued a warning of an Easter-European crime wave in 2014 [url]http://www.fr-online.de/zuwanderung-in-rhein-main/zuwanderung-osteuropaeer-polizeigewerkschaft-warnt-vor-osteuropaeern,24933504,25968224.html[/url] The document also explicitly states that the numbers after 2009 are not comparable to the ones before because of a different statistical methods You might also look at page 55, you know, the one RIGHT AFTER YOUR SECOND PIC It is the statistics that does not include crimes related to refugee status, passports, in short: immigration laws [img]http://i.imgur.com/LBLzPI2.png[/img] Now look at that...