[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43768234]sorry I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around what this proves[/QUOTE]
it proves that he confronted him, what you described as extremely unlikely
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43768271]it proves that he confronted him, what you described as extremely unlikely[/QUOTE]
"And then he said, 'That N-word is still following me now,'" said Jeantel
"He said, 'Why are you following me for?' And I heard a hard-breathing man say, 'What you doing around here?'" said Jeantel.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43768286]"And then he said, 'That N-word is still following me now,'" said Jeantel
"He said, 'Why are you following me for?' And I heard a hard-breathing man say, 'What you doing around here?'" said Jeantel.[/QUOTE]
exactly?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43768271]it proves that he confronted him, what you described as extremely unlikely[/QUOTE]
no, I knew Trayvon eventually confronted him, what I said was I don't think he specifically turned around for that express purpose, though again I could be wrong. It seems more likely that Zimmerman kept tracking him and ran into him again, prompting the confrontation.
For one thing, I knew he was out of shape but why is he a "hard-breathing man" from driving in a truck
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43768296]exactly?[/QUOTE]
zimmerman was after him not the other way around.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43768335]zimmerman was after him not the other way around.[/QUOTE]
when did i say he wasn't? wtf
venezuelan said it was unlikely that trayvon would just turn around and confront zimmerman just like that
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43768349]when did i say he wasn't? wtf
venezuelan said it was unlikely that trayvon would just turn around and confront zimmerman just like that[/QUOTE]
yeah fair enough i just feel like it puts too much onus on trayvon by saying that he confronted zimmerman when it was zimmerman chasing him. also it's weird how we say trayvon not martin and zimmerman not george.
Trayvon and Zimmerman are both catchy and unique is probably why
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43768412]Trayvon and Zimmerman are both catchy and unique is probably why[/QUOTE]
You know, that's actually a really good point. I always wondered myself.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43768412]Trayvon and Zimmerman are both catchy and unique is probably why[/QUOTE]
martin and george. yeah true that lol
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43768443]martin and george. yeah true that lol[/QUOTE]
it just sounds like a bad sitcom
if it reflects real life, a really [I]really [/I]bad sitcom
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43767247]i thought stand your ground was like, the center of it? well whatever, i still think it's wrong that you can start a scrap with someone, then shoot them when you start losing. because no matter what you can't say zimmerman didn't instigate the fight with his vigilante hard on[/QUOTE]
well the defense used it as their case but the prosecutors took the position that it wasn't stand your ground laws because he had no place to be standing his ground.
Zimmermans defense lawyer is a florida stand your ground case lawyer more or less, it's what he's made his career on and again what he based the defense on in many of his arguments.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43767198]
yeah maybe, i mean zimmerman was found innocent so whatever i guess under those ridiculous stand your ground laws he was innocent.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah totally ridiculous that he shot someone who was slamming his fucking head into the ground.
[editline]3rd February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43767814]oh please, it's a boxing match.[/QUOTE]
A boxing match where the people fighting him have expressed a great desire to kill and permanently injure him.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;43768158]Imagine having this low of a bar for your heroes.[/QUOTE]
Doing something that's heroic is different than someone being your hero.
[QUOTE=katbug;43769494]
Doing something that's heroic is different than someone being your hero.[/QUOTE]
Imagine having this low of a bar for something heroic.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;43770146]Imagine having this low of a bar for something heroic.[/QUOTE]
Risking your life is pretty damn heroic, even if you don't like the man.
I don't even care about this Zimmerman stuff anymore, why can't you guys too? The Zimmerman saga has been thoroughly milked.
[QUOTE=katbug;43773211]Risking your life is pretty damn heroic, even if you don't like the man.[/QUOTE]
oh please he's not really risking anything and he's only doing this to try to fix his image
if risking your life is all it takes then my cousin Bubba who jumped that ramp in his pickup while high on oxycotin and meth is my biggest hero
Who wouldn't try to fix their image
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43773583]oh please he's not really risking anything and he's only doing this to try to fix his image
if risking your life is all it takes then my cousin Bubba who jumped that ramp in his pickup while high on oxycotin and meth is my biggest hero[/QUOTE]
It's not just the risk, it's that he's doing it for a good cause.
Unless he runs with the money, I'll consider him... Well, not a hero, but not an average citizen, you know?
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43773583]oh please he's not really risking anything and he's only doing this to try to fix his image[/QUOTE]
you say it like that's a bad thing
I guess it's not really a bad thing I just don't like that it seems people are buying into it as if it reflects his personal character when it's just a pragmatic idea his lawyer came up with
[QUOTE=katbug;43769494]Oh yeah totally ridiculous that he shot someone who was slamming his fucking head into the ground.
[editline]3rd February 2014[/editline]
A boxing match where the people fighting him have expressed a great desire to kill and permanently injure him.
Doing something that's heroic is different than someone being your hero.[/QUOTE]
wanting to do something in a boxing match doesn't mean you can. it's a sport with rules and boundaries. even people like mike tyson who have literally tried to kill people in the ring (and are far more capable of it than any of zimmermans potential opponents) couldn't pull it off
[editline]4th February 2014[/editline]
and also it's obvious that this is just more of zimmermans hero complex bullshit, and you're buying into it (literally calling him heroic)
[QUOTE=BFG9000;43773669]Who wouldn't try to fix their image[/QUOTE]
So something that anyone would do is heroic? I thought heroic was doing shit that the average person wouldn't do?
[QUOTE=zakedodead;43774623]So something that anyone would do is heroic? I thought heroic was doing shit that the average person wouldn't do?[/QUOTE]
he said that everyone would try to fix their image, not that everyone would put their life on the line to fix their image
Remember when you guys thought he was gonna get assassinated, and that there would be riots
That almost sounds plausible compared to your latest theory of "death by boxing rapper"
[QUOTE=Hakita;43774888]he said that everyone would try to fix their image, not that everyone would put their life on the line to fix their image[/QUOTE]
Boxing isn't really putting your life on the line though. It's a controlled fight ( yes there have been fatalities, but you could say that about a shitload of mundane activities, is he putting his life on the line by driving?)
[QUOTE=zakedodead;43774623]So something that anyone would do is heroic? I thought heroic was doing shit that the average person wouldn't do?[/QUOTE]
he didn't say that trying to fix your image was heroic, geez how's that hard to understand
[QUOTE=zakedodead;43775395]Boxing isn't really putting your life on the line though. It's a controlled fight ( yes there have been fatalities, but you could say that about a shitload of mundane activities, is he putting his life on the line by driving?)[/QUOTE]
Except he's going against strong guys who are out for blood
[QUOTE=katbug;43773211]Risking your life is pretty damn heroic, even if you don't like the man.[/QUOTE]
I'm ambivalent about the man, I'm just giving you guys some advice: aim higher.
He isn't risking his life in a celebrity boxing match. Stop being silly.
[editline]3rd February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Blazedol;43775827]Except he's going against strong guys who are out for blood[/QUOTE]
Do you guys not understand what boxing is? It's a controlled fight. It's not some kind of arena bloodsport. If the organizers have any indication that someone is going to get in the ring with Zimmerman with the aim to hurt or kill rather then they aren't going to let them fight. There are refs to make sure nothing goes too far. Sure fatalities happen in boxing but they are statistically infinitesimal compared to the number of boxing matches that occur.
Again building off of what someone said earlier, no one can look at this story and just go "Oh he is boxing for charity, that's nice". You either think this scumbag child murdering racist psychopath is doing a publicity stunt, or (more commonly in this thread) he is some kind of gladiatorial combatant, entering an arena of certain death to fight for the betterment of all mankind. Zimmerman threads are terrible because there is no room for moderation. I suddenly remember now why I stopped posting in them. There is no combating FP's pure adoration for the guy and admittedly far less frequency, utter and unending hatred.
I don't hate him I just think he has terrible judgement.
Who I hate is everyone who beats off to him like not being guilty of manslaughter makes you an instant hero
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