Against Me! Singer Tom Gabel Comes Out As Transgender, Plans On Starting Hormone Treatments

[Dori]

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;35907680]But by not being trans, are you not by definition cis?[/QUOTE]

I don't associate with any gender

[Paige]

[QUOTE=mac338;35905606]I wonder - as a straight man - if I could fall in love with someone transgendered.
Which really shakes the foundations of 'what is straight?'
Hell I'm guessing I could probably fall in love with a man if they looked and sounded convincingly female enough.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't "shake the foundations of what is straight?" to be honest. Only if you believe that the genitals of your partner make your sexuality or that one singular expierence you may have hac makes you one or the other rather then it being a feeling within you.

Being straight and male is really just being attracted to the secondary sex characteristics of a female. Or vice versa. It doesn't matter what they "used to be" or have in their pants.

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;35906190]Honestly, as long as he has a penis I consider Gabel a him.

Now that's all out of the way, I wish him the very best of luck.[/QUOTE]

"Hi, I'm a bigot. Heres my insincere compliment so people dont get too mad at me!"

[Sharkle_Bunwich]

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;35906190]Honestly, as long as he has a penis I consider Gabel a him.

Now that's all out of the way, I wish him the very best of luck.[/QUOTE]

No.

Transgirl GENDER is always female, no matter what you say.

Their legal SEX remains male until sex reassignment surgery. But they are and will always be a female. You do not consider her a he. That's ignorant.

[Pal13]

I read all nine pages - wow.

[Smug Bastard]

I take back what I said, it was extremely ignorant and bigoted of me to say that. I'm sorry for being such an arrogant asshat.

[QueenSasha24]

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;35909436]I take back what I said, it was extremely ignorant and bigoted of me to say that. I'm sorry for being such an arrogant asshat.[/QUOTE]

It's ok, all is forgiven. (Atleast with me now)

It's not very often you see someone apologize for being offensive to us trans people, so thank you c:

[Platinumcs]

Hey guys I'm back :v:

[QUOTE=thisispain;35904989]we are not and never were designed for anything[/QUOTE]

I used the wrong word, ok.

[bunnyspy1]

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35909896]Hey guys I'm back :v:

I used the wrong word, ok.[/QUOTE]

mind explaining why you decided to call sanius a retard after that little debate
cause that was really dickish of you

[Platinumcs]

[QUOTE=bunnyspy1;35910138]mind explaining why you decided to call sanius a retard after that little debate
cause that was really dickish of you[/QUOTE]

For this particular post:
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Although 'designed' was not the word I should have used, anyone who has done even high school science knows what I'm getting at. He didn't even back up his argument, instead just went back through the thread rating all my posts dumb.

[thisispain]

i've done college level biology and what you're getting at was wrong and ignorant.

[Platinumcs]

Oh and this

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[QUOTE=thisispain;35910682]i've done college level biology and what you're getting at was wrong and ignorant.[/QUOTE]

Mate don't even start unless you're going to back up your claims. It's natural selection or more specifically sexual selection so if you're ready to disprove it go right ahead
It seems that all logic in this thread has gone out the window in favour of political correctness in order to not offend anyone.
Basically you're going to have to argue that males don't seek to reproduce and pass on their genes, and that 150+ years of research was wrong

Honestly I'd like to see you try

[thisispain]

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35910705]
Mate don't even start unless you're going to back up your claims. It's natural selection or more specifically sexual selection so if you're ready to disprove it go right ahead
It seems that all logic in this thread has gone out the window in favour of political correctness in order to not offend anyone.
Basically you're going to have to argue that males don't seek to reproduce and pass on their genes, and that 150+ years of research was wrong[/QUOTE]

"back up your claims"
why don't you back up your claims, you're the one who's been claiming an awful lot.
natural selection has absolutely zero to do with the tosh you've been saying through out this thread, and using evolution to smear homosexuality is insane.

[Platinumcs]

[QUOTE=thisispain;35910984]"back up your claims"
why don't you back up your claims, you're the one who's been claiming an awful lot.
natural selection has absolutely zero to do with the tosh you've been saying through out this thread, and using evolution to smear homosexuality is insane.[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/C3E13.jpg[/IMG]

Oh and don't bother pointing out the fact it's referring to species, because the point is still there

Also, smearing homosexuality? Let's see a link to a post. There is a huge difference in me having to prove natural selection to a self proclaimed "college biology student", and smearing homosexuals.

[thisispain]

what point? do you even understand what you are quoting?

[Platinumcs]

[QUOTE=thisispain;35911019]what point? do you even understand what you are quoting?[/QUOTE]

Are you even serious? Did you download your degree from a website?

Reproduction is necessary for creating genetic variation and increasing the rate of evolution.
You can argue all you want that other animals reproduce asexually, but the fact is we don't.

Edit:
Oh wow someone who actually understands basic biology holy shit
[QUOTE=RobbL;35891130]

You're sort of right. The male reproductive system evolved to work with and only with the female reproductive system and vice versa. That's how living organisms minus plants, fungi, and protozoa have evolved to reproduce. If you're homosexual or asexual you're not going to naturally pass on your genes and produce offspring because you're not attracted to mate with the opposite sex. The sole purpose of sex is to reproduce.
Scientifically speaking homosexuality, bisexuality, asexuality and transgenderism are biologically anomalous because of what I just explained and the fact they're caused by hormone imbalances in the womb (at least that's what I think is the general consensus) Now that doesn't mean they're 'wrong' in anyway, in the same way that going bald at 20 isn't wrong, it's just not what's meant to happen

It just seems obvious to me and I feel silly having to explain it when it's basic science[/QUOTE]

[thisispain]

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911089]Are you even serious? Did you download your degree from a website?

Reproduction is necessary for creating genetic variation and increasing the rate of evolution.
You can argue all you want that other animals reproduce asexually, but the fact is we don't.[/QUOTE]

i didn't even say i had a degree lol

evolution is driven by environment and circumstance not reproduction, hence why humans have not genetically evolved into any classifiable new species.

A large interbreeding population in an unchanging environment (IE humans) faces little need for the acquisition of new adaptations yet we continue to reproduce, therefor your argument based on reproductive evolution is not applicable.

[Platinumcs]

[QUOTE=thisispain;35911207]
A large interbreeding population in an unchanging environment (IE humans) faces little need for the acquisition of new adaptations yet we continue to reproduce[/QUOTE]

So why do we continue to reproduce? it sure aint for shits and giggles. We would die out as a species very quickly if there wasn't a biological urge for us to pass on our genes.

Thanks for proving my point, guess I won't need to buy you a big red title after all

[SigmaLambda]

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911232]So why do we continue to reproduce? it sure aint for shits and giggles. We would die out as a species very quickly if there wasn't a biological urge for us to pass on our genes.

Thanks for proving my point, guess I won't need to buy you a big red title after all[/QUOTE]

buy me a big red title that says "this guy here, he's a cool guy, and I like him [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-thumbsup.gif[/img]" and i promise not to post about just how gosh darned wrong you're being

[N0 WAR]

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911232]So why do we continue to reproduce? it sure aint for shits and giggles. We would die out as a species very quickly if there wasn't a biological urge for us to pass on our genes.

Thanks for proving my point, guess I won't need to buy you a big red title after all[/QUOTE]

Oh man, it's funny reading your posts. You post as if you think you're right, but you're soooo wrong haha

[thisispain]

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911232]So why do we continue to reproduce? it sure aint for shits and giggles. We would die out as a species very quickly if there wasn't a biological urge for us to pass on our genes.[/QUOTE]

we continue to reproduce because it's enjoyable. even people with zero urge to reproduce (me) have the urge to engage sexually because it's enjoyable. even people with zero reproductive function still engage in sexual contact.

if the urge of reproduction was tied to evolution (we know this isn't entirely true anymore because we've abandoned the notion of reproducing for the purpose of advancing genetically) a lot of people wouldn't be fucking.

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911232]Thanks for proving my point, guess I won't need to buy you a big red title after all[/QUOTE]

this isn't fair, i have about 20 different responses but every single one would get me banned.

[danharibo]

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911232]So why do we continue to reproduce? it sure aint for shits and giggles. We would die out as a species very quickly if there wasn't a biological urge for us to pass on our genes.

Thanks for proving my point, guess I won't need to buy you a big red title after all[/QUOTE]

Reproduction and environment are huge factors in evolution - Sudden changes in environment account for more changes than random mutation. (Selection process introduce change quicker than chance does).

As for why we reproduce:
Instinct - We have material instincts, no species would be successful if it didn't want to create new offspring.

Population - We haven't cured all of the causes of death, if we didn't reproduce our population would decrease until we became extinct.

However, 'reproduction' is not a valid reason to decry people not wanting to be fertile, we have reached the tipping point where we no longer need to pass on our genes through reproduction, and evolution will play an increasingly small role as humans are augmented technologically or via bio-engineering.

[editline]11th May 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=thisispain;35911288]we continue to reproduce because it's enjoyable. even people with zero urge to reproduce (me) have the urge to engage sexually because it's enjoyable. even people with zero reproductive function still engage in sexual contact.

if the urge of reproduction was tied to evolution (we know this isn't entirely true anymore because we've abandoned the notion of reproducing for the purpose of advancing genetically) a lot of people wouldn't be fucking.

this isn't fair, i have about 20 different responses but every single one would get me banned.[/QUOTE]

You forget - we do not enjoy reproduction, we enjoy sex. That is how sexual reproduction is encouraged (and would be selected for), we have abandoned the notion of sex for reproduction because we have both the means to control it, and the brain power to understand it.

[Platinumcs]

[QUOTE=thisispain;35911288]we continue to reproduce because it's enjoyable. even people with zero urge to reproduce (me) have the urge to engage sexually because it's enjoyable. even people with zero reproductive function still engage in sexual contact.
.[/QUOTE]

We find sex enjoyable because there is an evolutionary function for it.

[QUOTE=N0 WAR;35911284]Oh man, it's funny reading your posts. You post as if you think you're right, but you're soooo wrong haha[/QUOTE]

Unless you can point out which part of my post was wrong and offer sources to prove it, I don't give a flying fuck what you think.

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Nice hypocrisy there mate

[editline]11th May 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=danharibo;35911307]
However, 'reproduction' is not a valid reason to decry people not wanting to be fertile, we have reached the tipping point where we no longer need to pass on our genes through reproduction, and evolution will play an increasingly small role as humans are augmented technologically or via bio-engineering.[/QUOTE]

100% agree, and you won't find a single post where I "decry people not wanting to be fertile".
The entire argument started when I said that animals have a biological urge to reproduce, and this guy just says "NO UR WRONG" and then doesn't offer any arguments.
Instead he says all of his arguments would get him banned, like that's supposed to convince me

[SigmaLambda]

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911364]We find sex enjoyable because there is an evolutionary function for it.[/QUOTE]

there's no such thing as an "evolutionary function" dogg. evolution isn't a force, it's a consequence of other forces.

[danharibo]

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35911423]there's no such thing as an "evolutionary function" dogg. evolution isn't a force, it's a consequence of other forces.[/QUOTE]

He means it would be selected for, as animals that have a pre-disposition to having sex will create more offspring.

I do agree that phrase is badly worded, but "evolutionary function" is a term used to describe the function of a particular structure in biology.

[Platinumcs]

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35911423]there's no such thing as an "evolutionary function" dogg. evolution isn't a force, it's a consequence of other forces.[/QUOTE]

Oh ok, sorry. I better tell all these doctors and scientists that a Facepunch user has proved them wrong then.

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[QUOTE=danharibo;35911439]He means it would be selected for, as animals that have a pre-disposition to having sex will create more offspring.

I do agree that phrase is badly worded, but "evolutionary function" is a term used to describe the function of a particular structure in biology.[/QUOTE]

Badly worded yes, but instead of people picking apart my wording, you'd think they could actually come up with an argument or something.

[N0 WAR]

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911364]Unless you can point out which part of my post was wrong and offer sources to prove it, I don't give a flying fuck what you think.

Nice hypocrisy there mate[/QUOTE]

Heheheh, I guess that makes two of us. I don't give a fuck about your wrong opinion.

[SigmaLambda]

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911444]Oh ok, sorry. I better tell all these doctors and scientists that a Facepunch user has proved them wrong then.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/av5vN.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

hell yeah you better tell "Dr Bridget Waller, [b]Department of Psychology[/b] she shouldn't be talking about evolution, seeing as how she's apparently not a biologist.

you shouldn't listen to what psychologists have to say about evolution, haven't you seen how bad those people fucked up with evolutionary psychology?

[Platinumcs]

[QUOTE=N0 WAR;35911467]Heheheh, I guess that makes two of us. I don't give a fuck about your wrong opinion.[/QUOTE]

And yet here you are, wasting time posting about it

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35911468]hell yeah you better tell "Dr Bridget Waller, [b]Department of Psychology[/b] she shouldn't be talking about evolution, seeing as how she's apparently not a biologist.[/QUOTE]

Haha yeah, I only posted that to prove that it's a term, and exists. Didn't even take notice as to which google searched study I chose

[SigmaLambda]

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911444]
Badly worded yes, but instead of people picking apart my wording, you'd think they could actually come up with an argument or something.[/QUOTE]

my "argument" is that you're wrong (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[N0 WAR]

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911471]And yet here you are, wasting time posting about it[/QUOTE]

Yeah a few minutes is totally worthwhile time I should've been spending curing cancer lol