Against Me! Singer Tom Gabel Comes Out As Transgender, Plans On Starting Hormone Treatments - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35921677]Hahahaha, like what? Extinction?[/QUOTE]Kin selection, for one. Put simply and briefly: since they had no children of their own to provide for, they provided for the children of their relatives, increasing their chances of survival.

Platinumcs you certainly aren't doing yourself any favors when you are rating dumb the posts of people who got offended by someone referring to a transsexual person as an "it".

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35922464]I'm going to take my leave then, this will be my last comment. Good day sirs [B]Edit: TO QueenSasha and my friend T-Sonar.0, I apologised earlier in the thread for that particular comment so I hope you can forgive me Some of the more "offensive" posts I made were because I was trying to rustle Sanius' jimmies, not for any other reason[/B][/QUOTE] so you were intentionally trying to troll a pro-trans person with intentionally slanted transphobic views? gj that's the lowest thing you could possibly have done in this argument

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35922464]I'm going to take my leave then, this will be my last comment. Good day sirs [B]Edit: TO QueenSasha and my friend T-Sonar.0, I apologised earlier in the thread for that particular comment so I hope you can forgive me Some of the more "offensive" posts I made were because I was trying to rustle Sanius' jimmies, not for any other reason[/B] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling" - Starpluck))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Wait, what? Are you serious? You made transphobic remarks just to make fun of someone? You insulted a group of people just to get your kicks in life? That's pathetic, really. That doesn't excuse you for it nor does it make me or anyone else you offended feel any better. It's inexcusable, especially after that. And don't call me your friend. You're one of the last people I'd want to be friends with.

The biggest problem I had with the discussion of the last few pages is pretty much everyone was arguing about semantics more than anything else, and the idea that "humans aren't meant to anything" I don't know if it's just me but I can't get my head around that logic (imo following that, a person born with abnormalities isn't actually born with abnormalities because the human body isn't meant to be/function a certain way in the first place) and that's what got me agitated. My argument wasn't initially meant to be about genes telling us that we're all meant to be straight or whatever, I sort of got carried away. I'd just like to say though that purely from a detached technical stand point, being only interested in the same sex is a bit of an odd behavior. I mean logically as a species we'd want to reproduce and continue to survival as species etc, however that doesn't mean homosexuality is wrong it just means it's unusual behavior. Maybe it provides some social benefit to a species and that's why it has evolved and is prevalant in humans, but I doubt it because group selection has been found to be mathematically unsound and pretty much abandoned as an idea I feel pretty awkward though how everyone who wasn't arguing against me either got banned or admitted to being wrong. Oh well. (I do want to stress that I don't personally hold any prejudices against any sexuality, gender etc and everything i've said is purely from a conceptual standpoint)

[QUOTE=RobbL;35943057]The biggest problem I had with the discussion of the last few pages is pretty much everyone was arguing about semantics more than anything else, and the idea that [b]"humans aren't meant to anything"[/b] I don't know if it's just me but I can't get my head around that logic (imo following that, a person born with abnormalities isn't actually born with abnormalities because the human body isn't meant to be/function a certain way in the first place) and that's what got me agitated. My argument wasn't initially meant to be about genes telling us that we're all meant to be straight or whatever, I sort of got carried away. I'd just like to say though that purely from a detached technical stand point, being only interested in the same sex is a bit of an odd behavior. I mean logically as a species we'd want to reproduce and continue to survival as species etc, however that doesn't mean homosexuality is wrong it just means it's unusual behavior. Maybe it provides some social benefit to a species and that's why it has evolved and is prevalant in humans, but I doubt it because group selection has been found to be mathematically unsound and pretty much abandoned as an idea I feel pretty awkward though how everyone who wasn't arguing against me either got banned or admitted to being wrong. Oh well. (I do want to stress that I don't personally hold any prejudices against any sexuality, gender etc and everything i've said is purely from a conceptual standpoint)[/QUOTE] This is basically what it was all about, you misunderstanding evolution and not understanding the difference between function and purpose.

The difference between function and purpose is the same as the difference between accident and creation. It's important to make that distinction in science, to distinguish between the artificial and natural. A beaver might make a dam for the [I]purpose[/I] of a shelter, but it's teeth have the [I]function[/I] of being able to chew through wood. A natural cave has the [I]function[/I] of shelter for some critters, while a man-made subway has the [I]purpose[/I] of transportation, even though it may function as a decent shelter for some animals.

[QUOTE=RobbL;35943057] I don't know if it's just me but I can't get my head around that logic (imo following that, a person born with abnormalities isn't actually born with abnormalities because the human body isn't meant to be/function a certain way in the first place)[/QUOTE] not a single person isn't born with "abnormalities", gene diversification is what has kept the human race alive. if the human body is meant to function a certain way you'd have to tell me. [QUOTE=RobbL;35943057] I mean logically as a species we'd want to reproduce and continue to survival as species etc, however that doesn't mean homosexuality is wrong it just means it's unusual behavior. [/QUOTE] irrelevant in modern society.

[QUOTE=thisispain;35943952]irrelevant in modern society.[/QUOTE] What does society have to do with it?

[QUOTE=RobbL;35944317]What does society have to do with it?[/QUOTE] We live in a society where sex isn't just for reproduction and the survival of our species.

[QUOTE=RobbL;35944317]What does society have to do with it?[/QUOTE] society is the chief determinate of behavior today.

I just meant society doesn't have any affect on biology

[QUOTE=RobbL;35955295]I just meant society doesn't have any affect on biology[/QUOTE] Yes it does

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;35955425]Yes it does[/QUOTE] Elaborate?

[QUOTE=RobbL;35955468]Elaborate?[/QUOTE] Our behavior affects our chance of survival and our chance of reproducing, thus has to do with evolution. [editline]14th May 2012[/editline] Society affects our behavior and our behavior affects society. [editline]14th May 2012[/editline] Society itself is a product of our will to survive, you're safer in a group. Being safe positively affects our chance of reproducing and affects the survival of our species.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;35955502]Our behavior affects our chance of survival and our chance of reproducing, thus has to do with evolution. [editline]14th May 2012[/editline] Society affects our behavior and our behavior affects society.[/QUOTE] I would think society changes to quickly to have any notable affect on evolution. Even 'society' has only existed for about 5000 years compared to the 200,000 years modern humans have existed, and even in that time no evident change to our biology has occurred. The affect society has on our behaviour is purely 'artificial' and has nothing to do with our biology

I thought you were talking about biology as in, the science.. And no, the effect society has on our behavior is not artificial. People act differently depending on the group of people (in large, a society) they interact with (even when going from one group of people to another people will act differently).

[QUOTE=RobbL;35955295]I just meant society doesn't have any affect on biology[/QUOTE] it doesn't? you're telling me the eating habits of a population in a society has no effect on the internal biology of person.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;35955723]I thought you were talking about biology as in, the science.. And no, the effect society has on our behavior is not artificial. People act differently depending on the group of people (in large, a society) they interact with (even when going from one group of people to another people will act differently).[/QUOTE] I meant 'artificial' as in societal norms come and go, and don't get passed down through generations like genetic traits [QUOTE=thisispain;35955735]it doesn't? you're telling me the eating habits of a population in a society has no effect on the internal biology of person.[/QUOTE] Read the above